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Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

Finished the game, overall amount of h-scenes nearing climax and overall quality/climax itself were pretty damn lackluster, I personally don't like the antagonist in this game, and plot itself, reasoning for NTR was pretty oof... It got to the point where I was saying to myself "Please author, don't go this route..." and to my displeasure, he decided to do that... But maybe that's just me, climax/ending are pretty important for me, especially when I play NTR games, in that regard I was really let down, and I didn't even set my expectations high, because I know VENUS other works. That being said sequel has some potential, and hopefully VENUS will take into account all the bad reviews he got.

Also I would like to recommend to my fellow NTR fans one title, which I didn't see discussed enough if at all.
Title being "Hajimete no Kanojo" 初めての彼女 by Waffle
Structure of that visual novel as well as writing are really something else, climax was also amazing. It's one of a rare cases where I decided to read the whole thing with Textractor, and I would recommend others to do the same, very underrated visual novel.
AND to top it off, after satisfying climax you also get AFTER story in DLC. If someone played Hajimete no Kanojo I would like to heard their opinions about the game. Oh, also it's one of those games where you need to read the whole thing to have enjoyable experience, since there's "mystery" at least in the first route
 
Iowa said:
Seems like you are not the only one. I mean VENUS's dev Nao posted something on Ci-en today and it's kind of a message where he apologize to all the fans. It seems like a lot of japanese fans sent him their reviews and most of them hated the new game. I finished it an hour ago and i also have some points i didn't like but it wasn't that bad. I mean it's not even the worst game from VENUS. But it's kind of sad to see him making a post just to apologize to his fans because of all the bad reviews, poor guy.
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they bought the game because of Venus's NTR, not because of the animations, mini-games, it's a pity I think he did a great job on other elements but he forgot the most important thing for fans NTR
 
I've played the Skip route and I'm glad I did. I'm now playing from 5.0 normally. I can tell the NTR hasn't started yet, but it's gonna start soon. Now... I have a very very bad feeling. I'm hoping I'm wrong but...

I think Haruna is going to cheat with the Papa guy (don't remember his name) and later the teacher is going to find out and blackmail her... I mean if you look at his previous games he always does that kind of shit!! If he does that in this game I'm going to his ci-en and tell him directly (because someone has to): Don't do that!! Just one netori guy that ultimately steals the heart of the heroine, that's what NTR fans want (or at least I want)... Just one netori guy!!... Stop with the netori guy who tries to steal the girl from the netori guy with blackmail, scenario...

Now, I hope I'm totally wrong with this one. I really hope so!! But if I'm right, please someone tell me, so I can prepare my stomach for that...
 
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Finished the new Venus game. I don't know what to say. It's not bad but not great either. It seems that Nao rushed this game ? Before that, it appears that Nao have played Umineko and inspired by it based on the red sentence rules in this game lol

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First of of all, this game NTR generally more towards type A than type B. I can get why many people pissed with this . Haruna resistance to Souma's dad is probably the weakest compared to previous Venus Game heroines. Super weak :(. Well I guess the positive part of this game is only one Netori guy involves .

Anyone noticed why Souma not questioning or angry the fact that Haruna is not a virgin when during the only sex scenes between him and Haruna ? WTF was that ? Am I missing something ?

Second, what's up with Sagara Chitose existence in this game ? She is as unimportant as Tsubasa in Summer☆Salt. Nao can make they unvoice and people will not notice anyway. He even wasted one CG for her.

Lack of Souma's thought on the epilogue after he figured out Haruna cheating kinda annoyed me. Look at Shikiyoku no Komari Sou ~Hitozuma Akina Hen~ and Summer☆Salt.Both game have a good way to resolve the MC feelings in the end. In this game, there's nothing at all in the epilogue.

At least next year ( another long wait), I can get Mikoto ( Haruna 's mom) action. I can guarantee Mikoto betrayal towards her family will have a stronger feelings than Haruna betrayal to Souma that's for sure.

Part of the reason why JK (school girl NTR ) in most cases not doing so much to me compare to wife/MILF type because of the feelings of the MC not completely 'owns' the heroine yet. Well, there always be exception to that also if the author not rushing the story.

Otherwise, you will end up like this game.
 
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Light316 said:
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Finished the new Venus game. I don't know what to say. It's not bad but not great either. It seems that Nao rushed this game ? Before that, it appears that Nao have played Umineko and inspired by it based on the red sentence rules in this game lol

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First of of all, this game NTR generally more towards type A than type B. I can get why many people pissed with this . Haruna resistance to Souma's dad is probably the weakest compared to previous Venus Game heroines. Super weak :(. Well I guess the positive part of this game is only one Netori guy involves .

Anyone noticed why Souma not questioning or angry the fact that Haruna is not a virgin when during the only sex scenes between him and Haruna ? WTF was that ? Am I missing something ?

Second, what's up with Sagara Chitose existence in this game ? She is as unimportant as Tsubasa in Summer☆Salt. Nao can make they unvoice and people will not notice anyway. He even wasted one CG for her.

Lack of Souma's thought on the epilogue after he figured out Haruna cheating kinda annoyed me. Look at Shikiyoku no Komari Sou ~Hitozuma Akina Hen~ and Summer☆Salt.Both game have a good way to resolve the MC feelings in the end. In this game, there's nothing at all in the epilogue.

At least next year ( another long wait), I can get Mikoto ( Haruna 's mom) action. I can guarantee Mikoto betrayal towards her family will have a stronger feelings than Haruna betrayal to Souma that's for sure.

Part of the reason why JK (school girl NTR ) in most cases not doing so much to me compare to wife/MILF type because of the feelings of the MC not completely 'owns' the heroine yet. Well, there always be exception to that also if the author not rushing the story.

Otherwise, you will end up like this game.
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I couldn't agree more with comment: "Haruna trial = best heroine so far, official Haruna = worst heroine...."
 
Light316 said:
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Second, what's up with Sagara Chitose existence in this game ? She is as unimportant as Tsubasa in Summer☆Salt. Nao can make they unvoice and people will not notice anyway. He even wasted one CG for her.
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What? Tsubasa is unimportant? I only played the first summer salt but Tsubasa's existence is pretty important in breaking out the MC's shell. I don't need to go into spoilers but there are nuances there like just the simple fact of her existing puts the MC in good mood and so on. Now that doesn't seem like enough justification (even if a decision involving her can cause an ending) for her to exist in the story but like I said yesterday the Japanese don't really follow conflict based plot meaning not everything in the story needs to exists just to drive the NTR. "Chekhov's gun" (or the western style of writing where everything present in the story must be necessary to the story) is generally ignored in eastern writing because what drives the story in eastern writing without conflict is just characters talking, moving from one location to another, just a mere fact that the day is changing, etc or most importantly the character's emotional journey. That is why they are so good at writing slice of life stories.
In Japan or at least in the shounen genre, a character's emotional journey is more important than clever plots according to Araki (creator of JOJO) so you can have the most ridiculous plots but if the emotional scenes of your characters sells then your story is a success. Those who've played JRPGs with convoluted plots and enjoyed it for the characters knows what I'm talking about. The Yakuza series is a prime example of ridiculous soap opera-esque stories but still being able to sell powerful emotional and serious scenes without fail. The mood of the scenes they convey is phenomenal and that is more important to them than how cleverly the scene is written. And not just the scenes but the journey these characters go through emotionally is important too.

I don't know about Chitose but Tsubasa is definitely important for the Protagonist and the gang even if she is not important to the story (she is).

I'm sorry for another lecture on eastern writing. I promise I will stop now.
 
Light316 said:
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Anyone noticed why Souma not questioning or angry the fact that Haruna is not a virgin when during the only sex scenes between him and Haruna ? WTF was that ? Am I missing something ?
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I don't know why you think Souma thinks Haruna is not a virgin. He never really noticed Haruna wasn't a virgin during the sex scene. What part of the dialogue made you think that?!

I just finish the "Mystery" part and I'm beginning to understand why people are annoyed by this game. I'll play Haruna's POV before writing a full review, but so far I have to ask one thing: Where is the mystery part of the mystery part?! Seems like Nao was so busy writing a coming-of-age story that totally forgot about it. Seriously, if you take out the obvious hinting at Haruna's mother cheating in front of the store, the second option in the last choice of the game, and don't tell anyone this is NTR; No one would ever imagine Haruna was cheating on Soma... even with all the lies in red. It doesn't help that Haruna has a very monotonous voice and that can lie with a poker face.

I think just knowing the heroine is lying is not enough, you have to give hints of why she's lying, what she was doing, with whom, for what reason... etc... without revealing the whole truth. Where's the sweaty heroine that is suspiciously nervous, the white marks on her lips, the sexy underwear that she normally wouldn't be wearing, the suspicious sound you hear through the phone (there was one scene like this, but it was really lackluster), the heroine not showing for a date or coming late... etc... (you know what I'm talking about). There was nothing like that in this game. Nao relied completely on the red text, and that's what annoys me, because I almost feel like I wasted my time by reading the whole 5.00 version (that I should have just kept playing the Skip mode).
 
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I don't know why you think Souma thinks Haruna is not a virgin. He never really noticed Haruna wasn't a virgin during the sex scene. What part of the dialogue made you think that?!
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Well I assumed Souma knows about this virgin/purity stuff. But well maybe he don't know about it in the first place. I guess that's about it.

straight.shota said:
. Where's the sweaty heroine that is suspiciously nervous, the white marks on her lips, the sexy underwear that she normally wouldn't be wearing, the suspicious sound you hear through the phone (there was one scene like this, but it was really lackluster), the heroine not showing for a date or coming late... etc... (you know what I'm talking about). There was nothing like that in this game
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Nao definitely forgot all of that. He was too focused on the new moving CG animation on this game.
 
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I'd like to point out, that his Nao's worldbuilding was excellent as always. I really enjoyed the lighthearted introductory part. Which is why i was so hyped about the NTR that was supposed to tear down those nice fluffy feelings lmao.
But the reason for the NTR is just sooo fucking dumb i can't handle it. It makes Haruna look offensively stupid. She had her reasons, why she stayed with the other girls but then learned to find her own footing just to throw it all away in the end? What's the opposite of progression? Because that was definitely it. Like at one scene she literally begs Souma's Dad to impregnate her so that they can all stay together and build a happy family for him? What? That's comically dumb.
Honestly, I'm just so angry because the game had incredible potential. But Nao really needs to work on the FMC characterization and stop making them look borderline retarded.

Also the red Text was an unnecessary gimmick.

On another note. Can someone more versed in Japanese than me explain to me, how "桃" can be read as "Haruna"? I never encountered the name written like this. Often it's a combination of the Kanji for spring and some other one.
 
Haruna is definitely the dumbest heroine Nao ever made lol

I'm a bit hyped for the Plus sequel with Mikoto because as Light316 said married woman NTR is always way more stronger and erotic than JK NTR. I mean Haruna is like 17yo? At that age a lot of pretty and popular girls like her will have sex with so many men before she settle with someone. JK NTR is really not doing it for me most of the time, unless it's a very pure girl like Chise for example. Even Misao was pretty bad for an heroine to be honest.
 
So I just finished the new Nao game(thanks again [MENTION=133210]sugar944[/MENTION]) and... yea, I'm a bit split on this one myself. Generally VENUS games are a home-run for me both story wise and CG wise but this one... I think I can't really much add to what is already been said by the other thread members so I'll simply sum my impression like so:

I feel just like how I felt when I first finished Kashidashi Tsuma Marina 3 for the first time. No, I'm not drawing parallels with story but more in the sense of my post-finale impression: A1 sex scenes, absolutely bonker storyline that went into a tail spin cause author went overboard with characters and their development. In short, people who "Ctrl hold" games, will love it cause they are just their for the fap scenes. Most other serious NTR fans who actually enjoy the read are going to facepalm the entire way to the end. :akazukin_down:
 
straight.shota said:
I don't know why you think Souma thinks Haruna is not a virgin. He never really noticed Haruna wasn't a virgin during the sex scene. What part of the dialogue made you think that?!

I just finish the "Mystery" part and I'm beginning to understand why people are annoyed by this game. I'll play Haruna's POV before writing a full review, but so far I have to ask one thing: Where is the mystery part of the mystery part?! Seems like Nao was so busy writing a coming-of-age story that totally forgot about it. Seriously, if you take out the obvious hinting at Haruna's mother cheating in front of the store, the second option in the last choice of the game, and don't tell anyone this is NTR; No one would ever imagine Haruna was cheating on Soma... even with all the lies in red. It doesn't help that Haruna has a very monotonous voice and that can lie with a poker face.

I think just knowing the heroine is lying is not enough, you have to give hints of why she's lying, what she was doing, with whom, for what reason... etc... without revealing the whole truth. Where's the sweaty heroine that is suspiciously nervous, the white marks on her lips, the sexy underwear that she normally wouldn't be wearing, the suspicious sound you hear through the phone (there was one scene like this, but it was really lackluster), the heroine not showing for a date or coming late... etc... (you know what I'm talking about). There was nothing like that in this game. Nao relied completely on the red text, and that's what annoys me, because I almost feel like I wasted my time by reading the whole 5.00 version (that I should have just kept playing the Skip mode).
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Oh man, you just destroyed the game for me.
The worst mystery ntr games I've played are the ones where nothing is hinted at (the stuff you wrote about), literally no pieces of evidence, no double entendre, no corruption, nothing. Just happy go lucky stuff.
Why.
 
Alright, I kinda spoiled myself to my detriment (benefit?) on the new VN by Venus. I'll probably put that on the back-burner for now because I'm definitely a little unimpressed with the direction it seems to go. Might go back to reading Utakata no Tsubomi for the time being. :D
 
Iowa said:
Haruna is definitely the dumbest heroine Nao ever made lol

I'm a bit hyped for the Plus sequel with Mikoto because as Light316 said married woman NTR is always way more stronger and erotic than JK NTR. I mean Haruna is like 17yo? At that age a lot of pretty and popular girls like her will have sex with so many men before she settle with someone. JK NTR is really not doing it for me most of the time, unless it's a very pure girl like Chise for example. Even Misao was pretty bad for an heroine to be honest.
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IDK why you bringing up IRL western schoolgirls into this. The romance between two virgins is the purest sort of a relationship and the only type of "true love". A wife who settles down for you after riding a bunch of different men is hardly romantic and can make any NTR worse unless it's something she's been keeping a secret while pretending to be pure and innocent. This is why in most NTR games a wife usually never was with anyone other than her husband. And it's actually the norm for Japan. Japanese on average have way fewer sexual partners than westerners and 1/3 of them are still virgins at 30—both men and women. Having a bunch of hookups in your late teens is a western thing, part of the reason why it's pretty much impossible to find a good wife in most western countries. Of course, it's a different thing if your fetish is closer to cuckolding and submission. Netorare in general is more about betrayal and corruption than enjoying being a cuck—something rarely seen in Japanese games but very common for OELVN ntr.

The problem with wife ntr is that usually there's barely any build up. As if you, as a reader, should get attached to the heroine just because she has the status of a wife. In JK ntr authors usually actually put some effort to make you care.
 
Maybe a little off-topic but, do you guys know any good fantia/pixiv fanbox artists that focus on old man/dilf X young girl/hotwife stuff?! Even if it's not NTR. I'm looking for more artists like Kishi or Nabuu

Thanks in advance

Edit: Ugly bastard x hot girl works too.
 
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I am disappointed with Jinsei new audio drama. Their sound recording quality isn't as good with their VN. And their story is just BSS NTR withoit many gimmick. They should make html page for audio and image instead just seperates them into different folder.

On the other hand , i found this good NTR audio drama. The story is about Married couple who move to isolated village and she become cursed by local god from that village. Well you know the rest what will happened to her. The theme reminds me to Sanbun Kyoden's Sayuki or Orcsoft's Kagachi sama, and the voice actress has hot voice too and recorded with good quality.

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https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ351715.html
 
Yadoumi said:
Heiantei just opened the web for their new game:

http://syuntada.com/tumahaha/kinue_top.html

I think it has the potential to be their best game in years, heroine looks like Yoshino, not only the design, personality too, she's arrogant and the president of a company.
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Based on title and characters, heroine is the real mother of MC's wife right ? Not some bullshit remarried partner like this ?
 
Light316 said:
Based on title and characters, heroine is the real mother of MC's wife right ? Not some bullshit remarried partner like this ?
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Yes, she's her real mother.

Since all the text is in images, I translated the web in case someone is interested:

Title:

My Wife's Mother ～Living with an Arrogant Female President～

Synopsis:

The Motomiyas are one of the most important families in the region.
The 17th head of the family is a woman, Motomiya Kinue. She's also the president of one of the biggest companies in the region.
The protagonist, Motomiya Mamoru, marries Kinue's only daughter, Motomiya Maki, and starts living in the Motomiya's house.
One day Kinue says something to the protagonist, and there begins the fall of the arrogant female president.

Characters:

- Motomiya Kinue (Heroine) , voiced by Aoi Tokio.

She's the head of one of the most important families in the region and the president of one of the biggest companies.
She has power and money, and that makes her arrogant and prideful.
She has to be very careful in everything she does because at the slightest mistake people will start saying that a woman cannot hold such an important position.
Despite her arrogant personality, she is always kind to her husband and daughter.

- Motomiya Mamoru (Protagonist)

He's Kinue's son-in-law.
He married Kinue's daughter, Maki, after meeting her at a cram school where he worked part-time during his college days.
Now he lives with Kinue and her family. He also works in Kinue's company.
Kinue didn't want her daughter to marry him, so he's working hard to be accepted by her.

- Motomiya Maki (Protagonist's wife) , voiced by Himejima Kotomi.

Kinue's daughter and protagonist's wife.
She's an only child, and that makes her a bit of a spoiled person.
She fell in love with the protagonist at first sight.
Kinue didn't want her to marry him, but Maki said that she would run away with him, so Kinue ended up accepting the marriage.
She is currently pregnant and is in the hospital.

- Motomiya Tasuku (Kinue's husband)

Kinue's husband and Maki's father.
Like the protagonist, he entered the Motomiya family by marrying Kinue.
He loves painting. He's the director of the museum owned by the Motomiya family.
He's a generous and optimistic person and usually gives advice to the protagonist.
 
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Yadoumi said:
Yes, she's her real mother.

Since all the text is in images, I translated the web in case someone is interested:

Title:

My Wife's Mother ～Living with an Arrogant Female President～

Synopsis:

The Motomiyas are one of the most important families in the region.
The 17th head of the family is a woman, Motomiya Kinue. She's also the president of one of the biggest companies in the region.
The protagonist, Motomiya Mamoru, marries Kinue's only daughter, Motomiya Maki, and starts living in the Motomiya's house.
One day Kinue says something to the protagonist, and there begins the fall of the arrogant female president.

Characters:

- Motomiya Kinue (Heroine) , voiced by Aoi Tokio.

She's the head of one of the most important families in the region and the president of one of the biggest companies.
She has power and money, and that makes her arrogant and prideful.
She has to be very careful in everything she does because at the slightest mistake people will start saying that a woman cannot hold such an important position.
Despite her arrogant personality, she is always kind to her husband and daughter.

- Motomiya Mamoru (Protagonist)

He's Kinue's son-in-law.
He married Kinue's daughter, Maki, after meeting her at a cram school where he worked part-time during his college days.
Now he lives with Kinue and her family. He also works in Kinue's company.
Kinue didn't want her daughter to marry him, so he's working hard to be accepted by her.

- Motomiya Maki (Protagonist's wife) , voiced by Himejima Kotomi.

Kinue's daughter and protagonist's wife.
She's an only child, and that makes her a bit of a spoiled person.
She fell in love with the protagonist at first sight.
Kinue didn't want her to marry him, but Maki said that she would run away with him, so Kinue ended up accepting the marriage.
She is currently pregnant and is in the hospital.

- Motomiya Tasuku (Kinue's husband)

Kinue's husband and Maki's father.
Like the protagonist, he entered the Motomiya family by marrying Kinue.
He loves painting. He's the director of the museum owned by the Motomiya family.
He's a generous and optimistic person and usually gives advice to the protagonist.
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- Heroine like Yoshino
- arrogant boss personality
- Easy- going type of father
- Maki Daikichi Art return (Hot Damn)

Yeah, this is a perfect setup of a Netori by Frame. Pretty sad knowing that MC'w wife probably will not have sex a scene like every other side heroines
 
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