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Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

kapyme said:
Best of luck to you! Making a visual novel is really tough but it is always nice to see new creators pop up.
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Thank you!

Tentacle Bandit said:
So as a writer myself unless your selling your product to make a profit, focus on the story that GETS TO YOU. Or turns you on. Or interests you. Especially for a first game, because that motivation will drive you through the development phase. If your making a game for other people, then making polls is great because your using it as a metric for what your audience wants but again - who and why are you making this game for?

With Marina I've literally gone through 4 scripts, only one of which really catered to diverging paths for every type of NTR fan. For example in one I had her totally become a cheat and throw it back in Kenji's face (because he started her on this path) and even another path where Marina lets Kenji fuck other women in front of her - yes both worked but these felt so out of place in my general story as to deserve their own games - which brings my point around to this - even a short game takes time and if your not enjoying the story your crafting it around your going to lose interest or become distracted by a project that is more "you". So focus on the story you want to tell, be damned if it pisses other people off and do that. Especially for a first game.

If I wanted to write a story/game where Kenji and Marina join an S&M club - and that idea pisses off a bunch of people does it really matter if they are all getting it for free? I would say focus in one that story and develop it as best you can, so even if they don't like the themes when they play it they can still say it was a GOOD story for the theme. And that theme needs to be something YOU want to work on. Again unless your trying to sell it for money, but most early developers like myself are just trying to get something done.

As for diverging paths, do what I did. Write your main story, if you SEE a point where the story could allow other options simply NOTE it at that point and continue writing the main story line and "true ending" (or as you see it). I didn't do this the first time, but learned my lesson from it, that by focusing on that central story it allows you to go back and better develop those other paths once you have the basic story finished. If you develop each little path as you go, your story will sprawl and by the end ir won't have a clear path forward. Or at least thats what I learned.

Now for the ending - my suggestion for NTR is write it first or what you want that ending to be. IF you want the ending to be "wife is fucking neighbor and never tells husband, husband enjoys knowing that she does this and knowing that he knows she doesn't know he knows (LOL) then you have the basic plot to which you develop your story to its end. For NTR plots this really DOES help a lot.

Good luck!
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Redorc said:
This.

Especially, remember that any poll only represent what the forum here thinks, I've seen the most crude shitty cuckold stories being acclaimed as amazing in F95 for example.
Makes me think ntr is like any other fetish in that way: you learn to taste what's truly good way after the initial discovery.
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Thanks a lot for the advice from both of you. I really appreciate it. Actually I'm making this to for both: for myself (and all the fans of NTR) and to see if I can make some money to support myself. I've being in quarantine for month and a half now and things don't look promising. I'm a freelancer, so if I don't work I don't eat. I'm waiting for things to go to normal, but it doesn't seems it's gonna be the case any time soon (the government just announced another two weeks of quarantine). They started with two weeks, but more weeks have being added as time went by, so who knows if these two weeks are the last ones. And even if they are, things are not going to go back to normal immediately. I've been talking with some colleagues and it seems my field of work could be reactivating in september (maybe sooner, maybe later, who knows). So I'm pushed to look for another type of income (before things start to look ugly for me).

What Tentacle Bandit says about working through the routes seems right. One of my favorite developers (Rascou) does exactly that. Begins with one or two routes/endings and then adds more over time. So I think I should do the same. However I'll put my initial concept on hold and right now I'm going to do something much more simple. I'm going to make a short kinetic novel (no routes) with a time constraint of one week (in game). Of course I'll have not much time (in-game) to develop something very deep, but at least you will be able to have a quick glimpse of what I have to offer and I can practice my skills with the engine and tools I'm working with. As it's my first VN I don't expect it to be a masterpiece that blows everyone's mind, but at least I'll try to do something decent. So, look forward to it and once again, thanks a lot for your encouraging and advice.
 
If you need about $2.000,-- to live off per month less than 7% of adult game developers on Patreon makes that, and that's assuming you do everything yourself. It's hard to get reliable data on this, but a quick scan over those top 7% shows very little NTR stuff so it might be even lower for a niche market like NTR. If you do everything yourself a little extra pocket money might be possible, but making a living from it isn't common.
 
So what happened to Marina 4 ?!

I think Sasaki is busy with Lune gacha game or something like that ! , I just hope that he will not stuck in gacha trash like Kagami with lilith's trash gacha

Sasaki mentioned before that Marina is one of his favorite works or something like that https://twitter.com/gentlesasaki/status/1123119802019532800

in my opinion Atelier Sakura's last good VN was Mariko 2 in november 2018 !

so yeah I agree that Atelier Sakura should focus on quality not quantity , 4 good VNs a year is better than 12 meh ones , and they can make longer VNs with more routes and endings .

Especially that they are usually working with the same artists , I think the artists themselves will make a better work if you give them more time , and yeah the more important is the writing , they should hire a better writer or at least stop hire the bad ones .
Even the good writers need enough time , for example Onborozuki is the writer of some good Atelier Sakura games like Marina and Mariko and other games , but he wrote meh ones also , and I think one of the reasons is the time , you can't expect that he can write a good VN every month .
 
Atelier Sakura have released a staggering 22 games in the past 24 months. It is unholy and commendable at the same time. Going further into the past or into the future releases doesn't break the cycle either. Once a year it seems they take two months to make a game. Once a century three months.

This is the last game they needed 3 months to make:

https://vndb.org/v23234
 
Kaizoku said:
So what happened to Marina 4 ?!.
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There was never actually a Marina 4, we assumed there was a new game because of how they announced a "Marina collaboration" with the website Fantia on twitter with a poll. However it wasn't for a game, they are using Fantia website to tell "what if" short stories (as in non-canon stories) by drawing an image and posting it to Fantia using fan favorite characters once per month. Marina just happened to be the first character for this. They are charging $5 per month to see the after "story" aspects of each picture. Thats all it is. We might get a new game but this wasn't it.
 
kapyme said:
Atelier Sakura have released a staggering 22 games in the past 24 months. It is unholy and commendable at the same time. Going further into the past or into the future releases doesn't break the cycle either. Once a year it seems they take two months to make a game. Once a century three months.

This is the last game they needed 3 months to make:

https://vndb.org/v23234
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There is no way they are writing stories, doing the artwork and recording all the audio in a month for each game, just following their twitter it clearly takes them a good month just to get the packaging produced and delivered. I don't know what their production schedule is like, but I do assume it is fast paced regardless and they probably just come up with a basic idea for a plot, write up three bland characters. Copy paste like a factory. I assume each game cycle is 3 months and each one overlaps. I could be totally wrong but the time it literally takes just to build everything into a graphic novel is very tedious trust me on this, its not a fast process even if you have it down to a science it simple just consumes a lot of time "building" the game.
 
Is there any way to capture the actual mobile phone text in the new Hending game with a text hooker, or is it all images?
 
Tentacle Bandit said:
There is no way they are writing stories, doing the artwork and recording all the audio in a month for each game, just following their twitter it clearly takes them a good month just to get the packaging produced and delivered. I don't know what their production schedule is like, but I do assume it is fast paced regardless and they probably just come up with a basic idea for a plot, write up three bland characters. Copy paste like a factory. I assume each game cycle is 3 months and each one overlaps. I could be totally wrong but the time it literally takes just to build everything into a graphic novel is very tedious trust me on this, its not a fast process even if you have it down to a science it simple just consumes a lot of time "building" the game.
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You are correct. Atelier Sakura produces three games at the same time. Each monthly release cycles between Zuka, Nakamori and Onborozuki as scenario writers.

Atelier Sakura is the eroge world's Call of Duty.
 
IS there VN or Manga like these?
MC expects to get a girlfriend but before he makes a move he found out the girl he likes/target already has a partner and the partner is the MC friend/another guy who MC thinks not better than MC himself or lower than MC himself.

Some kind like if MC quickly makes a move, he can get the girl but he is too late another guy or his friend gets the girl before MC.

https://exhentai.org/g/1477272/0f0742f500/
https://exhentai.org/g/1537300/02d0a3b113/ hope someone translate the second part.
https://exhentai.org/g/215597/ba58d3cdd8/ last ch.
https://exhentai.org/g/634436/b672940a14/
 
kapyme said:
You are correct. Atelier Sakura produces three games at the same time. Each monthly release cycles between Zuka, Nakamori and Onborozuki as scenario writers.

Atelier Sakura is the eroge world's Call of Duty.
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My brother and friends told me the latest Call of Duty games have been really good lol...maybe EA would be a better metaphor with their sport games?
 
Tentacle Bandit said:
My brother and friends told me the latest Call of Duty games have been really good lol...maybe EA would be a better metaphor with their sport games?
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Are they younger than you? I have noted that part of the problem is that as we get old we always compare the new to the old so is hard to feel somethign as a new experience (like i my little cousins love Black Clover while i just stopped reading it)

And guys what do you use to read hentai manga that you download? Lately i have downloaded more and more but i want something that lets me read it like in exhentai or nhentai (using the arrow keys to move up/downa nd to the next page) and has the page to their original size or let me adjust it to a predetermined one.
 
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Animefan_09 said:
And guys what do you use to read hentai manga that you download? Lately i have downloaded more and more but i want something that lets me read it like in exhentai or nhentai (using the arrow keys to move up/downa nd to the next page) and has the page to their original size or let me adjust it to a predetermined one.
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I'm using Fast Stone Image Viewer. There's an option to let you to auto lock zoom image based on your preference every time you open the image. There's also Irfanview btw.
 
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Out of curiosity for what Atelier Sakura's production schedule could look like I decided to learn more about the costs and production timetables involved with making eroges. Here is the most interesting blog I found regarding this so far, detailing expenses including rent and manufacturing.

https://anond.hatelabo.jp/20100527083405

This article uses a typical story-driven major harem release with 5 heroines and 10 sub-characters at full price to determine the schedule and costs.

A 15 month production schedule can look like this:

Planning (1 to 2 months) → Scenario/character design (3 to 7 months) → CG, sound, and movement (6 to 9 months) → Scripting and direction (2 to 3 months) → Debugging (1 month) → Master up! →Manufacture (2 weeks) → Release☆

After planning, everything occurs at the same time, from story to scripting to art to sound design. CG events are the last assets to be completed. Project management complexity will kill a director if they are not prepared, ending the hopes of many visual novels in both Japan and the West.

If we crudely divide these numbers with a 3 month release by Atelier Sakura, what this means is that their production workflow looks like this:

Planning (6 days) → Scenario/character design (18 days to 42 days) → CG, sound, and movement (36 days to 54 days) → Scripting and direction (12 days to 18 days) → Debugging (6 days) → Master up! →Manufacture (2 weeks) → Release☆

Actually as I have kept the manufacture date unchanged it means all the above numbers should be even smaller. It is also likely that for nukiges with minimal story, there would be a wider difference between time requirements for scenario and art.
 
Animefan_09 said:
And guys what do you use to read hentai manga that you download? Lately i have downloaded more and more but i want something that lets me read it like in exhentai or nhentai (using the arrow keys to move up/downa nd to the next page) and has the page to their original size or let me adjust it to a predetermined one.
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I'm using IRFANVIEW (as default picture viewer)
And lately I found MangaMeeya (This is something amazing for me, so much options to view manga)
 
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https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/5721

https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/5731

These 2 under-the-radar NTR games are looking up more and more.

The first is focusing on freedom of choice from the player. It's also(unabashedly) borrowing the idea from Shinachiku Castellas game upcoming in june- which they subtly mention in the latest article with the player being able to call the heroine with their smartphone. And also leave and explore the world and possibly meet events. I like that- it really works the NTR mystery aspect and they said the mystery and teasing aspect is also their favorite in NTR. So going to keep an eye on it.

The 2nd is an old circle who has been laying low for a while- but there isn't too many details in the game yet.. But they've posted a few animation samples that look really nice. I also like the sorta classic anime style of the heroine.
 
I'm surprised this series https://exhentai.org/g/1615472/a7054b78f6/ hasn't been translated yet. With the addition of part 4.5 recently, there's 6 parts now and I think it looks pretty good. Impactful at least anyway. I like the art personally, even though it looks a bit sketchy at times the shading really captures a weird realism blend showing curves and flesh that are usually smoothed over in a typical manga artstyle.
 
Animefan_09 said:
And guys what do you use to read hentai manga that you download? Lately i have downloaded more and more but i want something that lets me read it like in exhentai or nhentai (using the arrow keys to move up/downa nd to the next page) and has the page to their original size or let me adjust it to a predetermined one.
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All the manga I keep, hentai or not, stays in compressed files (.zip, .rar, .cbz, etc) and I use the CDisplayEx Comic Book Reader to read them. It is very convenient, because all the pages stays in the same file and compressed. This way I reduced the number of files in my system and the size of the manga. Also, the CDisplayEx is an excellent reader that allows you to read directly from the compressed file with all the customization and options you can think of. Here some options: change background color, thumbnails for all the pages while reading, thumbnail for the file, double pages, four resizing algorithms (nearest, draft, linear, Laczos; useful for some high-res pages), auto color (you can also configure the auto color), slider, the usual resizing and navigation options, etc.
 
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Axioma said:
All the manga I keep, hentai or not, stays in compressed files (.zip, .rar, .cbz, etc) and I use the CDisplayEx Comic Book Reader to read them. It is very convenient, because all the pages stays in the same file and compressed. This way I reduced the number of files in my system and the size of the manga. Also, the CDisplayEx is an excellent reader that allows you to read directly from the compressed file with all the customization and options you can think of. Here some options: change background color, thumbnails for all the pages while reading, thumbnail for the file, double pages, four resizing algorithms (nearest, draft, linear, Laczos; useful for some high-res pages), auto color (you can also configure the auto color), slider, the usual resizing and navigation options, etc.
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Mmm i actually had that one, will see how compatible is 1 handed xD
 
So for those interested, the newest "episode" for the Fantia Marina "if" story is the prequel to the first part - where surprise surprise Marina has sex with an old classmate after getting drunk with him - who just happens to be the chief. Don't read to much into it, its just a face in this case but clearly Marina is getting around a lot in this IF story. I'm not even really sure what the point of the voting was if it eventually features all the people from it...

While I'm happy for more Marina content as anybody, it feels very much like a fan story without much story. Just Marina sleeping around now for the sake of artwork. Doesn't really feel true to her character BUT it definitely works as an "IF" story since thats the point - a story where anything can happen.
 
There are mother/son games without lazy writing? It is one of those genres like futanari, beasts or ultra-huge knockers which is hyper-focused on H and nothing more.

More disappointed to hear the Mesu Ochi game is lazy although I haven't played it, since Char Senyou Maru has written some of my favorite games.
 
kapyme said:
There are mother/son games without lazy writing? It is one of those genres like futanari, beasts or ultra-huge knockers which is hyper-focused on H and nothing more.

More disappointed to hear the Mesu Ochi game is lazy although I haven't played it, since Char Senyou Maru has written some of my favorite games.
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He pretty inconsistent although he can make amazing stuff like in Team MM if he get paired with Asanagi Kei . I'm also like his early work from Studio Pork which is Bakunyuu! Dekajiri! Ama Oba-san

Some good story in mother/son incest I found usually on doujin/manga
 
Just finished playing Boku Mama x Tomo Mama Koukan Hameppu Life for the first time, and I loved it! Could have done a few things better for my tastes. I hope it gets a sequel or DLC or something. The whole flow chart thing and different perspectives was also super interesting to me, I thoroughly enjoyed that implementation.

1. There was no double pregnant scene with Eita, his mom, and the MC's mom (the red haired milf), Only the MC's(Takumi) Netori route seemed to have that.

2. I wish Eita and Takumi's mom were more savage towards Takumi. At the end of one route Eita offers Takumi's mom to live with them so they can always have sex, she wanted to take up the offer but ultimately turned it down because Takumi a responsibility she had to look after. I feel like there were a couple of ways to make it work. First she could have lived with them for 5-6 days of week and only went home on the weekends or something to check in on Takumi, or she could have put him up for adoption or given custody to the government by making up some BS that she was fit to be his mom thus taking him off her family registry and putting him in social services.
 
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