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Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

Namkapple said:
To go on a little MTL rant. MTL is the future. Anyone that was native in either Japanese or English, while being fluent in the other, and being well-versed in the culture of both is gone. Since culture and language are tied. These people do not translate VNs much anymore if at all.
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I mean, that's not entirely true. There are a lot of English native speakers who're fluent in Japanese. But translating a game also requires some basic programming, and is also a lot of work done absolutely for free. But there are studios like Kagura-games that translate some of the bigger games regularly. Because they earn money from it unlike fan-translators who, even if they try to set up a Patreon, don't make much at all. And even if we take someone fluent in Japanese, they will have a much, much easier time editing and improving upon GPT-4 translation which is mostly accurate, than doing everything from scratch. So yeah, translation will never be the same and I think it's only a matter of time before even professional translators use MTL as a tool to speed-up the process manyfold. And GPT-5 is coming out this year, who knows how much it will improve the already good translations of GPT-4?
 
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greenlittleman said:
I mean, that's not entirely true. There are a lot of English native speakers who're fluent in Japanese. But translating a game also requires some basic programming, and is also a lot of work done absolutely for free. But there are studios like Kagura-games that translate some of the bigger games regularly. Because they earn money from it unlike fan-translators who, even if they try to set up a Patreon, don't make much at all. And even if we take someone fluent in Japanese, they will have a much, much easier time editing and improving upon GPT-4 translation which is mostly accurate, than doing everything from scratch. So yeah, translation will never be the same and I think it's only a matter of time before even professional translators use MTL as a tool to speed-up the process manyfold. And GPT-5 is coming out this year, who knows how much it will improve the already good translations of GPT-4?
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A few points to address
1. I'm talking about translation prowess. I don't know why you brought up programming. But to your point. It isn't some mystical and magical thing. People have done it in the past, and they can do it currently, especially now with the easier tools we have
2. 99.9% of fan-translators that have Pateron are MTL'ing shitlords
3. If you're fluent in Jap and use GPT you just lose all credibility going forward as far as I'm concerned. (to this point. There are doujin groups that used to be great but currently MTL. Most likely because all the old guard left and they are riding on name's coattails).
4. I haven't played any officially tl'd Kagura games I think? So I can't comment on them.

This might read a bit aggressive. Not my intention, I'm just passionate.:giggle:
 
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Namkapple said:
Saikey is an MTL'er. As far as I'm concerned they are dishonest and disingenuous. They started off as the same kinds of MTL'ers I mentioned in my last post, they just edited their work well, and will continue to remain as such. They just suckered some companies to giving them their TLs. The " real translators" they hire (assuming they do so) are the same people that do MTL's currently.
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They don't reveal that it's edited MTL?
It's good MTL but not revealing it is kinda shitty.
It's obvious too, they translate new stuff at an insane inhuman speed.
 
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Redorc said:
They don't reveal that it's edited MTL?
It's good MTL but not revealing it is kinda shitty.
It's obvious too, they translate new stuff at an insane inhuman speed.
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If they did reveal I would have ZERO problems. Last I checked they do not. There was one old Pateron post that said they were MTL'ers but have switched to real translations. But I don't know if it is up still, and two, I don't believe it. As far them revealing it on the site? The answer would be no, based on my search earlier.
 
Namkapple said:
I can't speak to said Asian departments for said companies in Asia and how their subs and dubs turn out. But in the US, it is more or less localization by people that hate Japan, hate anime/manga, and or barely know little to no Japanese(their own words). They just want to insert their activist message. I'd rather take an MTL direct translation than anything official from big companies currently.

Japan is currently experimenting with MTLs, AI to be more specific. A lot of novel companies have axed divisions, and anime companies have mentioned trying AI too.

Saikey is an MTL'er. As far as I'm concerned they are dishonest and disingenuous. They started off as the same kinds of MTL'ers I mentioned in my last post, they just edited their work well, and will continue to remain as such. They just suckered some companies to giving them their TLs. The " real translators" they hire (assuming they do so) are the same people that do MTL's currently.
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In Asia, we have the opposite problems haha. It's either too formal or using to "poetic" translations what happened in North America is very different with Asia. That's why last year Localization drama is ridiculously unprofessional for me (How the hell that got approved anyway?)

Saikey indeed MTL some of early their games, but they start hiring translator since last year. But this is probably for their bigger project . SO calling them only doing MTL kinda innacurate now.

What i want to say is human translator still needed. Some slang and cultural reference couldn't be translated well with MTL.
 
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https://ci-en.dlsite.com/creator/3414/article/1112118

new kegani laboratory game is out- ... but Fanza is blocking my region. Dlsite version doesn't come out until late april- anyone able to share it?.. Would even throw paypal money your way if you're able to-... I'd buy it if fanza allowed my region but they're suddenly blocking all my IPs. First time this happened...

https://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/doujin/-/d...?dmmref=FeatureItem&i3_ref=recommend&i3_ord=1

Edit: Was just uploaded in hentai games. big thanks either way.
 
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Namkapple said:
A few points to address
1. I'm talking about translation prowess. I don't know why you brought up programming. But to your point. It isn't some mystical and magical thing. People have done it in the past, and they can do it currently, especially now with the easier tools we have
2. 99.9% of fan-translators that have Pateron are MTL'ing shitlords
3. If you're fluent in Jap and use GPT you just lose all credibility going forward as far as I'm concerned. (to this point. There are doujin groups that used to be great but currently MTL. Most likely because all the old guard left and they are riding on name's coattails).
4. I haven't played any officially tl'd Kagura games I think? So I can't comment on them.

This might read a bit aggressive. Not my intention, I'm just passionate.:giggle:
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What do you mean, why? You said that "people fluent in both languages are gone". I pointed out that they just have better things to do than learning programming, and doing translations for free. And what do you mean "losing credibility", have you played any GPT -4 games, and how good is your Japanese? Because as someone who's actively learning it, I can guarantee that it's more than 95% accurate, and the rest is easily edited. Moreover, GPT by default has "better writing" than most authors, so its translations just sound better. There was actually a study that proved that people prefer text made by GPT compared to human-made texts. If a translator uses GPT, and not only does it increase the speed of their translation, but also how well-written it is and without any drop in quality then IDK how exactly is this going to make them lose any credibility, lol. It seems to me that you don't realize the difference between Google Translate and GPT-4, they are in different leagues. But not many people use GPT because it costs money. MTLs are the future, and that's a good thing. We are already getting way more translations than ever, this is especially true for RPGM NTR games.
 
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I'm wondering if anyone here has figured out how to hook RJ01166483
Update: Mtool works. I guess I'll have to use the log tab if I want to continue to see the original Japanese lines though.
 
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This is Marriage Blue from LUNETB. There is not text showing except some broken English character, whats wrong with this? i do have the local set on japan
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kratonghy said:
This is Marriage Blue from LUNETB. There is not text showing except some broken English character, whats wrong with this? i do have the local set on japanView attachment 44361
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Just to confirm, did you set yours windows language to Japanese? For example, is EVERYTHING in Japanese? zero English anywhere in windows? Wanna say its one of those games where you have to go all in on the language setting.
 
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greenlittleman said:
What do you mean, why? You said that "people fluent in both languages are gone". I pointed out that they just have better things to do than learning programming, and doing translations for free. And what do you mean "losing credibility", have you played any GPT -4 games, and how good is your Japanese? Because as someone who's actively learning it, I can guarantee that it's more than 95% accurate, and the rest is easily edited. Moreover, GPT by default has "better writing" than most authors, so its translations just sound better. There was actually a study that proved that people prefer text made by GPT compared to human-made texts. If a translator uses GPT, and not only does it increase the speed of their translation, but also how well-written it is and without any drop in quality then IDK how exactly is this going to make them lose any credibility, lol. It seems to me that you don't realize the difference between Google Translate and GPT-4, they are in different leagues. But not many people use GPT because it costs money. MTLs are the future, and that's a good thing. We are already getting way more translations than ever, this is especially true for RPGM NTR games.
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If you think GPT-4 is that that amazing, good for you, we disagree here, I don't find it as accurate or as impressive as you do. As for the rest of this. If you don't have or care about standards that is your prerogative. Trying to gaslight that actual great translators using translators tools doesn't make them lose credibility won't work on me. Neither is trying to tell me that MTL's are a good thing. This kind behavior and non-gatekeeping is what is a pernicious virus that will eventually erode hobbies to a husk. We disagree and that's fine.
 
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Anyone completed NTR Maid? I lose the game the 17th day left. The girl just sneaks in the night to one of men and next day there is 0 days left and I lose the game. I think the girl betrays me. I've played virgin run, always rescuing her. Not sure if it is intended or a bug.
 
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