It is obvious why a lot of people hate NTR, actually they hate it when girl cheats on them in any form and even thought about this makes most people feels like shit because this could damage their ego and self-confidence. Such people can't associate themselves with netori-guy as well and they can't accept the fact that they could be cheated on. In most cases they also have unrealistic expectation about women as whole. I think more interesting question would be why a lot of people actually enjoy netorare, moreover I think what any person could develop such fetish in them because it is based on our emotional side which is very similar between each other. And I know what some old ntr-haters actually could evolve into ntr-lovers.
My theory about why we love netorare - first our brain feels what we "gain" girl and then we feel what we "lost" her. But by associating themselves with netori guy we feel what we "gain" girl again and what we even "gain" her in a better way - which is why we enjoy it. And then it becomes emotional roller-coaster of gaining and losing which adds unique flavour to sexual excitement and stimulate much broader range of receptors inside our brains which is addictive. Probably this is why most ntr-lovers no longer could be fully satisfied with most other genres of porn.
You are very wrong about preference of most people with fetish. Majority of all netorare (about 70-80%) is type B, I think this fact is enough to prove (I'm too lazy to explain why, but I can if you want to discuss this) what most funs are into type B and I also think this is what true NTR about - how innocent and pure girl become corrupted by other guy, not about how some slut decided to find new dick for herself.
Also I definitely read at least two stories (both are manga) with plot similar to what you describe, one of them was really popular on exhentai and you probably could find it by using right tags. :)
My theory about why we love netorare - first our brain feels what we "gain" girl and then we feel what we "lost" her. But by associating themselves with netori guy we feel what we "gain" girl again and what we even "gain" her in a better way - which is why we enjoy it. And then it becomes emotional roller-coaster of gaining and losing which adds unique flavour to sexual excitement and stimulate much broader range of receptors inside our brains which is addictive. Probably this is why most ntr-lovers no longer could be fully satisfied with most other genres of porn.
You are very wrong about preference of most people with fetish. Majority of all netorare (about 70-80%) is type B, I think this fact is enough to prove (I'm too lazy to explain why, but I can if you want to discuss this) what most funs are into type B and I also think this is what true NTR about - how innocent and pure girl become corrupted by other guy, not about how some slut decided to find new dick for herself.
Also I definitely read at least two stories (both are manga) with plot similar to what you describe, one of them was really popular on exhentai and you probably could find it by using right tags. :)
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I'm too lazy to search, so, I'd like to ask you post it. Second, well, checking afterwards, its true, type B is more popular, but I still prefer Type A myself. One thing is true, though, NTR fans almost universally despise Type C.
I simply like it for the drama involved. NTR can be real vanilla with the man not even aware anythings going on but it still adds layers. It forces a story that otherwise would be super generic. Theres lots of bad NTR but good ones tend to actually build up and have more going on with plot that any other genre in hgames. I dont have to put myself in the guys shoes to get excited about it like people assume.. I can still enjoy it reading from an outside perspective and just as a story. Better than a vn that has no conflict or drama and is just sex each night with onsen or shower engagements in the day.
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Its not out yet afaik, DLsite page says Early August 2018 according to google translate.
Discussing NTR and why we love it is good, i just think it went to why NTR get it worse then Y, and it felt more like some-kind of victim olympic. But so far disscussion on this (previous) page was pretty good.
Don't take this personal, but i think its wrong to think that if you dislike something - other people should dislike it too. Yes Some people will dislike it too, but for their own reasons, which may or may not be similar to yours. Its just wrong to assume that if you don't like something - all must feel same way.
I think that, a good story is not the one that treats its readers\players as Kings (or babies), afraid to make them sad or unhappy, but the one that challenges them, their ideas and ideals, makes them uncomfortable & etc.
I think its the same as reading/watching death of a characters you really liked - no one will say that he enjoyed it, but if done right it will have impact on the reader\watcher\player and i think this is what important.
If we just make stories that will "offend" no one, will contain no "offensives" or sad scenes, created just to make everyone happy - it would be just shallow products.
Sure, all people have their own tastes, and i don't want to turn every light-hearted comedy into some dark and twisted horror, i just think there should be places for everything, and no limits to artistic expression.
Its very interesting to think why we love something. Its sure has its own deep psychological reasons that are above our understanding, but still we can try.
I like when Art (Games, VN, music,TV series, Anime & etc.) can make me feel something. And my feeling of joy don't lasts that long, sure i can watch comedy show and laugh a bit, but very soon i will forget it, just move on. But if i watch something that made me sad - i will remember it for a long time, will still think about occasionally now and then.
Netorare is quite good at this. At first it introduce a girl and make you as a reader care for her, then it takes her away. And those feeling of jealousy which is then replaced with hopelessness, despair and depression are quite impactful. Also the more complex story and more details of how its happened the better, for example that beloved girl acting as a cold hearted betrayer, or some mind games, different supporting characters, complex relations between them and such.
And this being eroge so add various sexual fetishes and erotic elements. I like mystery, and often thinking about what is\could be happening is more "interesting" than actually seeing it. So i really appreciate if the game is filled with sex scenes that are not thrown in your face but hinted or somewhat "hidden". Good examples are discreet phone sex scenes or scenes where you can see only partly e.g silhouettes or when you can use only front\top of the heroine and not what is happening on the other side.
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Good 4-5 pages of discussion on why ntr is treated like the black sheep of the family.
From my perspective, people on the internet seem to go out of their way to express something they hate more often than something they like. So we will likely never see the end of it and I've already come to terms with that. As for why so much hate compared to other fetishes, it seems most have their own theory for that and they are all likely correct so I don't have much to add.
That said, I wanted to ask if their is any company beside Lilim/Lilim Darkness that currently does voiced ntr guy? Lune Team Bitters used to do that in the past but not anymore which is a shame.
From my perspective, people on the internet seem to go out of their way to express something they hate more often than something they like. So we will likely never see the end of it and I've already come to terms with that. As for why so much hate compared to other fetishes, it seems most have their own theory for that and they are all likely correct so I don't have much to add.
That said, I wanted to ask if their is any company beside Lilim/Lilim Darkness that currently does voiced ntr guy? Lune Team Bitters used to do that in the past but not anymore which is a shame.
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I think you missread it and missunderstood him. He is not saying that nobody should like Type C, he is saying that people doesn't like Type C. Which is true, not so many people likes it. That doesn't mean that nobody should like it. If there are people who likes it (which I think there is) it's ok for them.
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None taken, after all, we all have different opinions.
Speaking of NTR, who would you consider the perfect targets for getting NTR'd?
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I like A and B. If I had to choose then I would pick B.
Type A also have big potential but very often these games sucks. Short and boring story about slutty girlfriend/wife/mother etc.
When it comes to C, I will tell honestly I hate this type. The essence of Netorare is humiliation and jealousy. Imo it's not possible to create a good netorare based on rape.
Type A also have big potential but very often these games sucks. Short and boring story about slutty girlfriend/wife/mother etc.
When it comes to C, I will tell honestly I hate this type. The essence of Netorare is humiliation and jealousy. Imo it's not possible to create a good netorare based on rape.
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It was with a context of our previous conversations, but i think we sorted it out now
And since we touched Type C here (rape of the heroine in front of protag), here is what i think about it.
This type is more used outside of netorare genre. Like in in some mahou shoujo themed games when heroine is raped in front of protag after loosing a battle, or in a lot of other types of games with non-rapist male protag but rapes scenes, and it works there pretty good, and i actually prefer this over playing as a male rapist protag.
To build whole NTR game around only type C is almost impossible, you cant rape someone endlessly, at some point she will either
1) Die
2) lose her mind
3) Will start to like it
Usually its always option 3, which transform type C into B at some point. And option 1 and 2 are quite "good" story-wise, but are too serious or dark to be used often, which i think is unfortunate :(
I didn't play them personally yet, but i think Kuri Pick's games, some older Elfs games (Kawarazaki-ke no Ichizoku 2 for example), and maybe Thug hero Party are pretty close to being mostly type C NTR games. And i think they are pretty good games with good reception. Also, people, feel free to add more good type-c that you've played btw :8
But every type of NTR, can be good and "enjoyable" if done right. I think that, genres rules, types & etc shouldn't be strictly obeyed, they should be just used as tools to tell an interesting, engaging and meaningful story, with good atmosphere and music. Unfortunately eroges quite often are just made as nukiges and lacking all of this. And if they got story and stuff - they often lack in sexual content department :(
So yeah, more different, quality eroges, of every type and every genre!
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There could be plenty of humiliation in type C, but yeah, jealousy wouldn't be as much prominent alone, more like with combination with misery and despair.
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Mmm yeah, if i had to say my favorite would be something like the girl is fooled into WILLINGLY start something (Minako, Honto no Kimochi, etc); i mean fooled so not blackmail at this point or MC; then after that first time or sometime later she discovers the guy's true colors, or that she was fooled, etc and from that point forward it turns into B with the girl already having a taste of it so the eventual downfall is more believable, plus i like plots like that from the girl's POV too since we can see her regret (if the story is good at least).
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It was with a context of our previous conversations, but i think we sorted it out now
And since we touched Type C here (rape of the heroine in front of protag), here is what i think about it.
This type is more used outside of netorare genre. Like in in some mahou shoujo themed games when heroine is raped in front of protag after loosing a battle, or in a lot of other types of games with non-rapist male protag but rapes scenes, and it works there pretty good, and i actually prefer this over playing as a male rapist protag.
To build whole NTR game around only type C is almost impossible, you cant rape someone endlessly, at some point she will either
1) Die
2) lose her mind
3) Will start to like it
Usually its always option 3, which transform type C into B at some point. And option 1 and 2 are quite "good" story-wise, but are too serious or dark to be used often, which i think is unfortunate :(
I didn't play them personally yet, but i think Kuri Pick's games, some older Elfs games (Kawarazaki-ke no Ichizoku 2 for example), and maybe Thug hero Party are pretty close to being mostly type C NTR games. And i think they are pretty good games with good reception. Also, people, feel free to add more good type-c that you've played btw :8
But every type of NTR, can be good and "enjoyable" if done right. I think that, genres rules, types & etc shouldn't be strictly obeyed, they should be just used as tools to tell an interesting, engaging and meaningful story, with good atmosphere and music. Unfortunately eroges quite often are just made as nukiges and lacking all of this. And if they got story and stuff - they often lack in sexual content department :(
So yeah, more different quality eroges, of every type and every genre!
I think type C is pretty common, at least if you look at least a third of "mindbreak" genre.
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Well, mind break games are mostly told from female or "netori" character perspective, not that many games with strict or almost strict non netori male PoV? I mean it may switch to Boyfriend for a short time and let him watch and suffer, but then it will return to original protagonists. Can it still be considered type C too this way? I dunno, i think male protag should be prominent for it to be considered type C
If I were to think of something with the most dramatic impact- I think nice guys who get pulled away from their childhood friends because they are just too nice to really go beyond being good friends is the highest level of that. Big bonus points if these childhood friends are tough and tomboyish and have scenes where they've stood up for the guy on his shortcomings and have tanlines. To me that would be more despair that being pulled away from a girlfriend or established wife with family. At least then you were able to know how it felt to have your feelings returned. But the unrequited childhood friend love is just ouch.
But then again I am pretty much a degenerate when it comes to hgames.
Well, mind break games are mostly told from female or "netori" character perspective, not that many games with strict or almost strict non netori male PoV? I mean it may switch to Boyfriend for a short time and let him watch and suffer, but then it will return to original protagonists. Can it still be considered type C too this way? I dunno, i think male protag should be prominent for it to be considered type C
Type C is by far the rarest because VNDB doesn't count mindbreak as type C. If you're too crazy to remember who you want to be with then it devolves into Type B. Type C is reserved for when the girl never stops loving the other man and always holds him in her memory even through the abuse. I can't even think of many like this.. I guess Shizumanai Tsuki would be a good example.
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https://vndb.org/v20484 This is pretty much the closest to Type C I've ever played, but I've only played through one route b/c the choices are stupid, which in turn made the progression feel stupid to me. Which is a shame, I was really excited for the game ever since they announced it. I will finish it eventually but I'm in no rush.
It's listed as Type B in the tags though. I haven't played it but the logic behind that is probably(only assuming) due to the woman not being 100% monitored at all times- and more blackmailed?... If she can still contact her husband and has a modicum of free will then it would still be B. Type C for vndb standards is only if every waking moment- you wished for something else. If you can put a stop to it and choose not to- Type B. So this means Type C usually ends up as a kidnapping/held hostage story that goes beyond the confines of "do this for us or we will tell your husband"-.. Definitely pretty rough- The ones i've read if there's any mindbreak involved it's in no way the sexual corruption but actual mental problems.. Trauma caused from abuse that would break the mind to a point where they might lose their voice/ or be wheelchair bound. Definitely no happy endings for Type C heavy VNs.
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Yes, type C is basically the heroine never giving up or switching sides after being raped, even at the end of the story.
Hardly NTR or even rape training/corruption IMO, but well, to each his own.
Hardly NTR or even rape training/corruption IMO, but well, to each his own.
Nice guy, good natured, not bad at bed but not sex oriented, completely oblivious to the heroine gradual change of behavior (which creates long lasting stories with mystery), and even friend with the netori dude.
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Would oblivious to love-harem-like males count? Since I've seen some H-doujins from LN chracters being subjected to that.
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I have an NTR idea, my idea is a yandere NTR, this will test the yandere's faithfulness and loyalty.
They will have to solve some problems for NTR to happen like giving a really well thought out idea for a yandere to accept the impossible e.g. sexual stuff other than her lover or if rape but it's doubtful because a yandere is supposed to be physically strong.
This kind of NTR idea gets me realllllly excited
Any NTR hentai game (vn or rpg) developers out there or for anyone knows Japanese please send this suggestion to them, I know CM3D2 (and some NTR doujin like Mirai Nikki but Yuno the yandere giving in to NTR was so mehhhhhhh and a manga (Seishun Pop)) already has this but you know it's sooooooo few you could count it I need more of this kind of NTR in every different hentai platform
They will have to solve some problems for NTR to happen like giving a really well thought out idea for a yandere to accept the impossible e.g. sexual stuff other than her lover or if rape but it's doubtful because a yandere is supposed to be physically strong.
This kind of NTR idea gets me realllllly excited
Any NTR hentai game (vn or rpg) developers out there or for anyone knows Japanese please send this suggestion to them, I know CM3D2 (and some NTR doujin like Mirai Nikki but Yuno the yandere giving in to NTR was so mehhhhhhh and a manga (Seishun Pop)) already has this but you know it's sooooooo few you could count it I need more of this kind of NTR in every different hentai platform
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Up to a point yes, but too much and you won't feel any attachment between and his love interest.
Guys can you tell me where the heck can i find games like the VN u are posting here translated? i know that this kind of games isnt the option which translaters use but..... man.,. you know this have 1550 pages im sick if i want to read 1 by 1, i know, vndb is great to find games, but you kno,w i want MORE MORE AND MORE ffs , you saw lilith soft??? OMFG ...... THE ART....THE GIRLS.......THE PERSONALITIES......LOOOOOOOL I FUCKING LOVE THEM....ok please any1 with a nice soul, fine soul , help me
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Search on this site or use h-suki. Or just ask here if you can't finds any links
Hey guys/girls.. It's that time again.. To try and add to my collection some games that are not the easiest to find. I already made a request here:
http://www.anime-sharing.com/forum/...re-upload]-bulk-obscure-games-any-help-720726
Only 6 games here but I am hoping if anyone has big collections and might have some of them- would help me out. Please take a look if you can upload or believe you could find a living link(I checked all links on this site at least..)
They're not all NTR- but I think 4/6 of them have light-medium NTR themes so i'm just making this post here for a bit of extra spotlight.
http://www.anime-sharing.com/forum/...re-upload]-bulk-obscure-games-any-help-720726
Only 6 games here but I am hoping if anyone has big collections and might have some of them- would help me out. Please take a look if you can upload or believe you could find a living link(I checked all links on this site at least..)
They're not all NTR- but I think 4/6 of them have light-medium NTR themes so i'm just making this post here for a bit of extra spotlight.
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