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Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

I never ask it before, but what do you think about mindcontrol apps trend in NTR works , do you like it?
I like it too, it adds variety to the genre when executed well allowing to exploit different creative choices for the works. You'll have total enslavement, rewriting of personality(no different than the magical dick that turns good girls into absolute sluts after one time sex), partial enslavement, control switch on/off, controlled environment to normalise ntr behaviour, controlled body/free awareness play, etc.
 
btw guys, I think we misunderstood the last jinsei's blog.

I read it again and he never said that the next game (cosplay) is not ntr, actually, he didn't say anything about the next game, he is just talking about the tennis game.

I think he said that in the first image of the post (tennis heroine's blowjob), the man receiving the blowjob is the protagonist, so THAT SCENE is pure love, not the whole game.
And I even think that the second image (anal toy), is from the tennis game too.

So, he didn't mention the cosplay game, and even though on the web for the cosplay game doesn't appear "ntr" , like I said it has three characters, so pretty sure it will have some kind of ntr.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I understood after reading it again.
 
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What's the name of that upcoming game where the MC's girlfriend works for a soapland?
 
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https://vndb.org/v24696 By Atelier Sakura is pretty much available now, got my hands on it, here's the summary and my thoughts.

Summary (based on my understanding obtained through machine translation):

3 main characters: Kazu (main character), Naomi (MC's wife) and Kou (MC and wife's childhood friend) these names are pretty much the nicknames they all call each other.

Story starts off with MC banging his wife but it ends pretty quickly. Wife comforts him about it but he's pretty insecure about it since he and his wife are in their early 20s and the MC feels like his libido's already dying. MC knows the problem ain't his wife and he frequently comments on her beauty so all he knows is that its his fault. After their night of sex, MC wakes up thinking of his childhood friend that he and his wife played with as kids (presumably until their mid teens) . Coincidentally, the wife also had the friend on mind recently. MC goes to work and on the way back in the middle of the night he spots the police arguing with a suspicious person who the police claims he hasn't seen around the neighborhood. MC steps in to check out the situation and finds that its the old childhood friend Kou-chan. MC brings friend to his house where he reveals he hooked up with Naomi and got married, the friend happy for them. As the friend and Naomi interact its pretty clear they have a rivalry going on, the friend frequently commenting on the wife's beauty (or his perceived lack thereof) and the wife not appreciating the comments and the friends pretty laid back and quite childish personality. Reunion is going good though and MC allows friend to stay over for an indefinite period of time.
Cut to next day, MC talks to his friend and wife and then head off to work but silently notes in his mind how he left his wife alone with a man in his house, but he assures himself that Kou is trustworthy. MC comes back home at night and the three have little drinking party. During the drinking party, the MC lets out his insecurities regarding his poor sexual performance to Kou and shortly falls asleep later (presumably because of all the drinking). He wakes shortly after only to see his friend getting comfy with his wife and fingering her, MC's can't move though because of the alcohol and falls back asleep. Next day, everything is fine but the MC talks to his friend on what happened last night. Friend reveals he's pretty sexually active and has dedicated himself to correcting the MC's sex life. MC actually accepts his help.
That night, for some reason, friend suggests that they all have a group bath like they used to as kids and everyone is actually cool with it (the wife usually rejects at first but goes along with a little push). In the bath MC and friend talk then as the wife is about to enter with a towel covering her bits, friend intercepts and gropes her in a somewhat friendly manner. (dude acts like a child so its hard to really understand at what point he's making advances or just being an idiot) After the fondling (that the idiot MC doesn't attempt to stop) friend recommends that wife gives them both a handjob and for some reason, it actually happens. MC is actually erect and feels turned on, handjob is a success. Friend calls it a job well done, convinced he's restored the MC's libido and goes about his own business. For the next few days, MC's back to trying to bang his wife but he still has poor performance again. Friend catches wind of this and resolves to solve this. Next day, MC has a dream of a place that he cannot remember. Same day, friend takes MC to that place. Turns out it was the secret base of the three friends. MC feels like there's something he's forgetting that has to do with the base but calls it quits. That night friend convinces MC to bang his wife while said friend watches. Deed ensues and MC once again had no poor performance to which the friend says that maybe his sex life is a bit bland and he needs some spice.
Shit's back to normal, MC gets another dream of the same place though and sees his wife getting banged in the secret base but the dream cuts pretty early before the MC can get anything from it. That night, friend still attempting to help MC with his sex life and suggests wife use her secret weapon AKA her mammaries. Wife doesn't really see that happening when suddenly friend decides to give the couple a live example by going ahead and using her tits for a boobjob. Things get sexy and threesome ensues where MC bangs wife while wife blows friend. MC's dick is performing its best. Later, next day, MC brings friend back to secret base and confesses that he may understand why he only gets super aroused when friend is there, a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶g̶a̶y̶ and its because the dream the MC had of his wife getting banged in the base was the friend taking her virginity. Upon seeing this as a teenager the MC ran from the scene and much of his life after that was blank. he didn't pay much attention to the friend and before he knew it, he got married to Naomi and the friend had left the town. So MC basically suppressed his memories of his wife being deflowered by his friend in highschool (though they weren't in a relationship at that time). At this point, MC says that he wants the friend to bang his wife and the friend at first can't really believe him but the MC convinces him that he's serious and proclaims his love for his wife to let the friend know that even if he wants her to bang the friend, he still loves her. Friend agrees and later that night they talk to the wife about it. Wife agrees with the condition that the MC is in the room while she bangs the friend.Midnight comes, friend and wife reconfirms MC's feelings on this and then they get to 69ing each other. Friend that lines the wife up so that the MC can see everything when they start to bang and he asks the MC one more time if this is what he wants while taunting him a bit (friend is out of character in this moment).
At this point there's an option:
MC decides that this isn't what he wants and he bangs his wife right there. MC seemingly overcomes his subconscious problem and takes his wife. Next day, friend congratulates the couple and leaves the house shortly after, saying his work is done. Few weeks later, MC is banging his wife and they're talking about having a kid. - Vanilla End
On the other hand if the MC goes through with it, the friend fucks the wife in her ass instead, surprising everyone. After banging the wife, next day happens and the friend brings MC to a room to have a private talk. He confesses that the reason he was taunting the MC was because he was hoping for the MC to take the wife back (AKA vanilla ending) and the wife may or may not have been in on it. That's also why he only banged her ass instead as it was his way of saying that he hasn't gone all the way yet and that the MC can still rethink this. MC reconfirms his love for his wife to the friend but says that he's content with the way things are now, that is with the friend banging the wife. Friend gets up suddenly and drags the MC's wife into the room and tells him that he's going to have sex with her for real this time and lines her up to take her pussy in front of the MC.
MC gets another choice at this point:
MC has a sudden revelation and tells his friend and wife that he wants to solve his problem, friend is happy and clearly has the best interests of the MC and the wife in mind. MC convinces the friend and wife to follow his to the base and says that he wants a threesome with the friend and wife, Everyone agrees and double penetration of wife in a dusty old shed ensues. Everyone is happy. Cut to a couple weeks/months later and MC reaches home from work at night. MC sees that the lights are off but hears his wife in a room panting. MC sees the friend banging the wife with both pretty into it and makes them aware of his presence. Turns out the MC and his friend has sex with his wife most times (with the friend banging her more since the MC usually has work) and everyone is fine with it. MC loves the arrangement but has some doubts in the back of his mind, the wife pulls him from his doubts and tells him to join in. MC agrees. - Threesome Ending
The other choice has the MC simply allow the friend to take his wife and bang her in front of him. MC confesses that he believes he can't satisfy his wife and that he wishes for his friend's and wife's happiness, even if that means that the friend becomes the wife's sole sex partner. The friend admits that he had some lingering affection for the wife but has the best intentions for the MC in mind so he has sex with the MC's wife everyday. cut to a year later and the MC stumbles into his house after a day of work and sees his friend banging his pregnant wife silly. MC sits down and watches them have fun, content with his weird marriage. - Friend fucks wife ending

Overall the game was pretty bland. The ntr was pretty weak and the wife had little character. She spoke very little during the sex scenes and I honestly at some point in the game, thought that there was sexual tension going on between the MC and his friend. The only good points of the game are the threesome ending and the friend ending and that's simply because the wife actually talks a bit more and seems pretty into the sex. Typical Atelier Sakura game. What gets me most though is the game cover with the wife looking all seductive and that she has more place in the actual cheating. The fact is that she is pretty bland and mostly moans during sex scenes. Feels like the game focused way more on the MC and his friend than on the actual wife.
 
Anyone here can explain to me https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ139183.html ? i mean what is the story and what/how is the ntr, i know is siluette but is there some mistery or ambiguity, or does the MC know his lover/love interest is banging other people? Or if he knows does he think she is doing it against her will or coerced or some "reason" she has to have sex with othe rpeople?

Also where same questions but including where to find https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ179700.html latest version?
 
Overall the game was pretty bland. The ntr was pretty weak and the wife had little character. She spoke very little during the sex scenes and I honestly at some point in the game, thought that there was sexual tension going on between the MC and his friend. The only good points of the game are the threesome ending and the friend ending and that's simply because the wife actually talks a bit more and seems pretty into the sex. Typical Atelier Sakura game. What gets me most though is the game cover with the wife looking all seductive and that she has more place in the actual cheating. The fact is that she is pretty bland and mostly moans during sex scenes. Feels like the game focused way more on the MC and his friend than on the actual wife.

Isnt there omake with wife POV where we can get her take on the fingering and sex while the MC wasnt there? There usually is

Anyone here can explain to me https://www.dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ139183.html ? i mean what is the story and what/how is the ntr, i know is siluette but is there some mistery or ambiguity, or does the MC know his lover/love interest is banging other people? Or if he knows does he think she is doing it against her will or coerced or some "reason" she has to have sex with othe rpeople?

Medieval world setting where there is also magic, MC is a high ranking knight sworn to protect the royal family, falls in love with the princess and eventually gets permission to marry her. Antagonist is a lower soldier proficient with magic and tricks the MC into exchanging bodies with him, so MC is stuck on the lower soldier's body having little knowledge of how magic works and how to undo the spell, unable to make anyone believe him and meanwhile the antagonist fucks the princess silly and lets him have a glimpse of what is going on through magical items.
 
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Isnt there omake with wife POV where we can get her take on the fingering and sex while the MC wasnt there? There usually is



Medieval world setting where there is also magic, MC is a high ranking knight sworn to protect the royal family, falls in love with the princess and eventually gets permission to marry her. Antagonist is a lower soldier proficient with magic and tricks the MC into exchanging bodies with him, so MC is stuck on the lower soldier's body having little knowledge of how magic works and how to undo the spell, unable to make anyone believe him and meanwhile the antagonist fucks the princess silly and lets him have a glimpse of what is going on through magical items.

Thanks, magical items? that sounds interesting, what about the second?
 
You know, things that let him peek into the room or see through the antagonist's eyes.

About the second, all I know is it has three separate stories and the silhouettes are pretty hot.
 
Overall the game was pretty bland. The ntr was pretty weak and the wife had little character. She spoke very little during the sex scenes and I honestly at some point in the game, thought that there was sexual tension going on between the MC and his friend. The only good points of the game are the threesome ending and the friend ending and that's simply because the wife actually talks a bit more and seems pretty into the sex. Typical Atelier Sakura game. What gets me most though is the game cover with the wife looking all seductive and that she has more place in the actual cheating. The fact is that she is pretty bland and mostly moans during sex scenes. Feels like the game focused way more on the MC and his friend than on the actual wife.

This is the problem with most of Atelier's games now tbh, I think its simple because they produce SO much monthly content that its hard to do anything original because they are in a grind now. When your goal is to produce a new short story or visual novel each month, well its like anything creative the more you do the same thing over and over for capital gains it all begins to look the same and take on the same generic quality. I find this a lot with authors who try to publish monthly. They might have a new idea they gets them excited and its a good spin for a story, but as you read the book you find the same authors tropes and stuff as to feel like your just reading more of the same.

I honestly wonder at what point they will slow down too...at what point do sales numbers not justify monthly game releases. I'm sure they have one or two great games left in them, but do we really need another 8 games on top of those that are totally forgettable?

As for this game itself, the comment about the wife being quiet is interesting because looking at her on the cover - she looks like the silent type to me lol...
 

Oh this game, ya I find the female character to be super cute looking especially in context of the game.

However I'm pretty sure its netori, I think you play the shop owner who fucks and trains her. That is a lot less interesting to me.

I remember seeing this anime called Suzuka where the main guy walks past a soap house and sees a picture of a girl that looks like Suzuka on a soap house billboard and loses his shit.

I really wish that was her...I like the idea of finding out NTR things like that indirectly because its meant to be surprising and "hidden" from the male love interest.
 
Oh this game, ya I find the female character to be super cute looking especially in context of the game.

However I'm pretty sure its netori, I think you play the shop owner who fucks and trains her. That is a lot less interesting to me.

No, you play the boyfriend, it's 100% netorare, you can go to the getchu page and see how it says that the boyfriend is the protagonist.

http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=1030339
 
Boy oh boy am i excited for Black Lilith's upcoming ntr title. Its set in the Taimanin-verse and she's short haired, man will i take some days off for this.
Hope Lilith goes all out in terms of degeneracy lol
 
You must be pretty desperate posting those here. I hope it's not because you guys are in the Red.

Or is simply free publicity? Or cattering to their freaking market? i mean is notlike they can advertice by tv xD

Edit: nothing to do with ntr, directly, but i just want to take a moment to marvel in hentai in general, where else do youfind something like the author of this https://exhentai.org/g/1135957/91c24e173a/ being the same as this https://exhentai.org/g/1363958/80a5719797/ xD, makes you wonder what could be in the head on all those vainilla author that haven't touched the dark side muahahahahahaha, or viceversa wich could be equally weird/disturbing lol xD
 
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I can only talk about Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~, Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ and Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2
since they are the only ones I have played from Rascou:

I don't know what do you mean by "completely fall", if you mean they will make a double peace ahegao pose while behvaving like idiots, then nop, they don't do that. However they will fall in a most "realistic way" if you can call it that. Withouth spoilling much, you can say that hey will realize the superiority of the other guy cock and how good it feels, specially compared with their husbands, almost from the get go, from that point it will be an internal battle to not fall to the pleasure.

The nice thing about those games is that both heroines have a strong personallity and high pride, and at the same time they are really sweet if you know how to melt the ice barrier they put on. On the other hand the NTR guys are someone they hate from the start of the game. It's not like they begin to hate them because of the blackmail, they hate the guys because they thing they are the worst kind of person and would never dream into admiting that kind of guy, much less having sex or being in a relationship with them. So the player can't help but wonder, how in the world these guys are going to make the heroines fall, and that slow but steadilly process is what makes those games GREAT!

I recommend you play the first game Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~. It's short, since it's kind of an introduction to the second game. If you like it, then you are going to love Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~.

But Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ and Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ didn't have a voice in it. I don't know why.

He is going to add more, he is planing to add 2 more endings, one for bad grades and other for good grades, more events in the study plan, a final test event and voice acting.



I tried to help someone with this game before, see the quote below.

But Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ and Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ didn't have a voice in it. I don't know why.
 
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But Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ and Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ didn't have a voice in it. I don't know why.

I did not understand what your quotes have to do with this, but the most recent version of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ is fully voiced, only the sequel is not voiced yet, because he is still working on the script. Dubbing a game is not cheap for a small doujin publisher, releasing the game ealier without voices is also a way to fund the voice actress.
 
I did not understand what your quotes have to do with this, but the most recent version of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ is fully voiced, only the sequel is not voiced yet, because he is still working on the script. Dubbing a game is not cheap for a small doujin publisher, releasing the game ealier without voices is also a way to fund the voice actress.

Oh I see, thanks for the info
 
Hi there, I've being kind of busy so I couldn't replay earlier.

エッチな体験談告白投稿男塾 has split into two groups: Jの覚醒 that wil focus on girlfriend NTR and Wの本能 that will focus on wife NTR. Both groups have already releaze their first works, that are remake from previous one.

第六花壇 is still alive and working in his new RPG. I was worried because he didn't update his pixiv in a lot of time, but last month he published the tentative standing pictures of the heroines from his new game in pixiv. I hope he will finish it soon. I'm looking forward to that game.

It's probably a matter of perspective like you said. I don't really think much of Yukari and Touta's relationship other than a struggle for Yukari to not succumb to lust and to protect her family.

The impression I get from Touta's behavior throughout the game is that he wants to show the world that he's a man. From the first game, he blackmails his only friend's mother and wants display and prove his manliness in a public blog. He thinks of Yukari as his woman/sexual property and brags about it as such on his Rassbook blog. That doesn't really change much in the first game and it's even worse in the second game since he doesn't even bother to blur Yukari's face now.
But yea, you're right in that he starts to be more compliant although you can make the case the reason Touta is more compliant is that he knows that sex is gonna come to him anyway after Yukari has done it with him so many times and that he also has the leverage (many more blackmail photos) to persuade her if needed.

I don't think Yukari thinks of Touta much either other than a kid she has to deal with because of the blackmail (especially after the night she got drunk). She complies with Touta's requests for sex since she realizes his requests can escalate if she doesn't refuse. So she's now trying to make the best out of a bad situation by making money and suppressing the blackmail. This obviously changes after the sleepover where Yukari starts to crave sex more/become more easily sexually frustrated thanks to Touta fucking the daylights out of her.
But overall, Yukari seems at least to me only concerned about Touta's progression since it's what earns her money but obviously she realizes that Touta can provide "other benefits" which is what makes her let loose later on.

My impression of the ends is pretty much that Touta won Yukari's heart over by simply blackmailing her and fucking her into submission. By the end, Yukari loves sex with Touta now and her real intentions in the past of doing it for her family's sake is more or less an excuse used now to justify having sex with Touta and betraying her family. I still think Kento gives the impression of a cuck since he's aware of the relationship and he does nothing to intervene (in fact, he even tries to get the two to have sex). Maybe I just associate Netorase with 'cuck' because to me their meanings overlap to a degree.
To me at the very least, their relationship is very one-sided in favor of Touta.

I replayed Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ in order to check what you are saying and to make sure what I was saying was not wrong. I still think that there is room for insterpretation, and the subtleties and "between the lines" messages are another reason why this game is great, but here is what I found:

First I want to say that I think that everything you say about how Yukari's falling to Touta's sexual prowess is spot on. In that regard I totally agree with you. The part in which I don't agree with you is that Yukari fell only because of the sex. I think that there are two degrees of falling for Yukari: body and heart. The "body" part is really obvious in the sex scenes and the monologues she has in the bathroom, however the "heart" part is not that obvious because it's just hinted in her interactions with Touta. I think she goes from hating him to not liking him to be upset to him to not hating him to just accept the way he is to worrying about him to liking him. I think this will be much more obvious in the Bonus sceneario if it's like the one in Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2, and I think it will be. I think Yukari finally falling/accepting Touta is a mix of both: The sex and her change of heart towards him because of their not sexual interactions together.

Next I will summarize what I found in the game. First I will summarize in game events as faithful as posible (those are not my opinions but the "words of god" - Rascou -), then I'll make my opinion in bold.

- Yukari is asked to tutor Touta. Touta itself ask her, and he insist that he will try hard. Yukari was expecting a blackamil, so she is taken aback by Touta's attitude. She thinks he has ulterior motives, but can't help to be dumbfounded by Touta's attitude. "No blackmail, and he seems seroius about studying".
At this point Yukari thinks Touta is just a crooked guy with an amazing cock. She is way of him and doesn't really trust him.

- Kento says to Yukari that Touta was studying at lunch hour. Yukari is impressed once again, like she can't believe the Touta she knows will study seriouslly. But she thinks it's something that will last only a day or two, and he will be back to his original self soon. "That Touta? It can't be".
Here her impression on Touta begins to change even so sligthly, as she begins consider the posibility that he can actually make an effort if he tries.

- The first time Yukari tests Touta she realize that the situation is worst of what she originally thought. Touta gets a zero, so she realize she will have to start from scratch. Yukari questions if Touta has being seriouslly studying but Touta claims that even thought he tried hard, the knowledge just scaped from his head. Remembering his son's words, Yukari considers the posibility that Touta is the kind of student that forgets easilly, so she decides to test him again. Touta asks for a reward if he pass and Yukari gives him an impossible goal (15 out of 20). Even though Touta has 5 minutes to memorize the characters, after just 1 minute he claims that he is ready, and urges Yukari to give him the test before he forgets. Yukari thinks that's imposible and gives him the test expecting that he will burn and crash again. Touta gets 14, just one point short from the goal. Saying that Yukari gets amazed by Touta memorization ability is an understatement, as she thinks what Touta did with just 1 minute of memorization was almost imposible, specially considering his first test (with 0 score). "Imposible, amazing memorization skills".
This is the first time in which Yukari's perception of Touta changes outside of the sex. To this point she thought Touta was just a perverted and lazy kid pampered by his parents and with no redeming qualities whatsoever (exept his cock). Now she is forced to rethink her perception of him after watching the amazing feat he was able to pull off. She is the first one to realize Touta's potential.

- From here on Yukari will make the tests in a way that Touta will definetly not pass, but not that hard that it will get suspicious. Depending on the player choices Touta will either pass the tests or fail just by a little bit. No matter what the outcome Yukari will get amazed once again, specially if Touta pass the tests, because she is making them specially for him to fail by a 3-4 point margin (she thinks once that she was expecting him to fail with a 7-8 out of 20). So once again Yukari is impressed by Touta's learning ability. This only happens at the begining, since by the end Yukai will make the tests easier and Touta will pass or fail depending on the players choices. "Did I understimated him?"
This is the continuation of the last point. A pattern in which Yukari didn't expect very little or nothing at all from Touta, but Touta surpass her expectations over and over again.


- Touta ask Yukari for a kiss if he pass the schoo test at middle July. She says to him that she doesn't mind if it's just a kiss in the cheek and Touta accepts. Kento tells Yukari how Touta is trying hard studying (player's choice) and Yukari gets amazed that Touta will go that far just for a kiss in the cheek. Later on we have the scene with drunk Yukari. When Touta ask his result Yukari tells him that he failled, however she remembers Kentou's words and decides to give him the reward kiss anyway. Here she says that she loves kids that make an effort. She is drunk, but what she said is true, since the reason she bacame Tutor in the first place, was because of that (liking kids that make an effort). "I love kids that make an effort."
At this point along with other minor things in their interactions, we have a Yukari begining to accept the fact that that Touta always manage to surprise her by doing the unexpected. This kind of interaction is typical in rom-com (more of that later).

- I already wrote about the flee market scene in my last post, but there is a couple of things to add. Here Yukari thinks that is not really Touta's falt being crooked, but is a consecuence of the enveroiment he was raised in. Also she feels a little bit happy when Touta stood up for her (in his childish way).
At this point is clear that Yukari doesn't really hates Touta anymore, she even hints to worry about him a little bit. If you imagine this situation in the first game it would be imposible that Yukari worry about Touta, even less to invite him to the flee market to cheer him up. However at this point she doesn't see Touta as a problem kid with no hope. At this point she has realize Touta's potential and he has proved to her that he can make an effort when he gets the right motivation (even thought is a perverted one). She has also learn that in other circunstances, maybe Touta won't be the crooked guy he is, and his familly has a lot of fault for it, so it's not that fair to put all the blame on Touta. Also Yukari putting herself on Touta's side when they are badmouthed is a big thing. If you imagine this situation in the first game Yukari will probably think something like "Well, with a kid like this, there is no help for what people think", but instead now she is more like "let them talk, they just talk because they can, don't mind them". Finally, Yukari would never would feel happy for Touta standing up for her in the first game, but now she is a little happy about it.

- When Touta manage to finish all the summer homework in one week, Yukari gets really amazed by his hard effort, that she saw along the whole week. She is fully aware of Touta's ulterior motives (having sex with Yukari), however despite that she trully thinks what Touta did was amazing and has its own merit. "He really did it!".
More of the same: Touta surpassing Yukari's expectations and proving that he can really make an effort (even though for a perverted reward).

- There are two instance in which Yukari felt flattered by Touta trying hard every week just to have sex with her. One in the kitchen and once in her bedroom (I think). "........."
At this point Yukari feels something similar to being courted by Touta. I mean, a guy making an effort to have sex with her. At this point Yukari is begining to like Touta, since it's imposible for her to feel flatered to being courted by a guy she doesn't like, specially being as proud as she is.

- In the first part of the bonbon whisky event Yukari thinks that Touta's naivity and simple minded behavior is cute, and goes along with it. "If he always behave like that"
At this point Yukari understad Touta really well, even tought he always manage to surprise her with something unexpected. I can't help but feel that they have some kind of bond at this point. They have a great chemistry together, not only on the sex department, but also in their interactions. Those interactions are really fun to watch and sometimes they are kind of cute.

- In the bad grades route Yukari notice that Touta has become really focused into making her feel good. She compares him with the Touta from before in which he didn't care about Yukari's situation at all and selfishly thought only in his own gratification. She thinks Touta has matured.
In this route Rascou wants to make sure that the player realize that Touta has change a little bit for the better, and that is thanks to Yukari. Yukari has changed him.

- In two endings (2 and 4) Touta is no longer a problem child. There are no longer complaints from him by the neighbors. In the (2) ending Touta's grades have also improve a lot. In the (4) ending, Touta is still trying hard even though he is with another teacher, he has associated making an effort with having sex with Yukari. Yukari thinks that turoring Touta was worth it if it made him change for the better. "Good kid, try your best."
The same. Touta has changed thanks to Yukari.

- In all this process Yukari's attitude towards Touta changes a lot.
This is best to compare by playing the first part of the first game, and then playing the last part of the second game. You will notice that Yukari shows parts of her (personallity) that she would never ever think of showing him before. Her attitude, her behavior, her gestures, her way of talking; all of that changes in the course of the game. In the end Yukari opens up to Touta.

There is more, but the last time I played I decided to make Touta always rest to unlock some scenes and pictures, so I missed all the extra-tutoring scenes. When you schedule an extra tutoring (not the ones from monday or friday), you sometimes can watch a little conversation/interaction between Yukari and Touta. Considering that Rascou is a perfectionist (it's amazing the detail he has putted in the decision branching and how he is really careful in changing even just 2 or 3 lines of text because of a scene/decision played/made before), I don't think those little conversation scenes are there for nothing. If there is one think I have noticed about this game is that almost everything is there for a reason. I didn't feel text/scenes are there just to make the player feel that the game is longer (which is something some developers do to "justify" the price of the game). As a result the game is really enjoyable, not only for the sex scenes, but the whole story is really fun to read. And the best part are Yukari X Touta interactions (I found myself chuclking/smilling/laughing at their interactions at varous occasions). I think they make a great combo together.

I can't help but think that Rascou is fan of rom-com given all the tropes from that genre that are hidden into this game. It's like Rascou thought of this game like this: Imagine the typical 17 years old bad-guy-with-great-potential-but-lazy-that-however-can-make-an-affort-when-he-has-to and the typical 17 years old tsundere-but-the-good-one-(not-the-obnoxious-one)-the-adorable-type-that-is-the-only-one-that-can-tame-the-guy. Both of them in a rom-com setting in high-school. Now take that couple and make the female 10 years older or so, and the guy 10 years younger or so. Imagine what their lifes would be (the female married with a kid and the male in his spoilled childhood). Now put them together with a NTR setting to see what happens between them. And thanks to the superb storytelling skills from Rascou, what we get is a masterpiece.

Also if we consider Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2 and compare it with this game, it's obvious that both have strong rom-com elements into them. I think that this will become more clear in the bonus scenario once it gets implemented, but the whole interaction between Yukari and Touta is typical rom-com, it's only that is not that obvious because of the NTR setting and the age difference between them. Girl has its world sorted out, then she meets a boy that manages to make her world upsidedown. She hates him at first, but then the boy manage to surprise her and supass her expectations. She begins to think better of the boy just for him to dissapoint her again. And so on and so forth, meanwhile the boy always manages to get her out of her comfort zone by doing something totally unexpected everytime they meet, while sweeping her off her feet in the process. Typical rom-com setting.

To summarize: I think Yukari doesn't fall only for blackmail and sex. I think it's a sum of everything that makes her fall (including her non sexual interactions with Touta). And I bet that in the Bonus scenario we will see Yukari with a mix of maternal/lover feelings toward Touta (this considering what happened in the Bonus scenario of Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2 and how similar both games are in terms of heroines, villains and scenario).

But Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ and Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ didn't have a voice in it. I don't know why.

I did not understand what your quotes have to do with this, but the most recent version of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ is fully voiced, only the sequel is not voiced yet, because he is still working on the script. Dubbing a game is not cheap for a small doujin publisher, releasing the game ealier without voices is also a way to fund the voice actress.

Both games are fully voiced as of now. The voiced version of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ was updated on december last year, and the 4th ending/route was implemented lasth month (fully voiced too). Also a "good grades route" is planned to be the next update for this game.

Rascou has also confirmed that he will make a Bonus scenario for both games. In the case of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ the Bonus scenario will follow the 2th ending and it will be a "what if" route, since the 6th ending is the canon that leads to the second game.
 
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Hi there, I've being kind of busy so I couldn't replay earlier.

エッチな体験談告白投稿男塾 has split into two groups: Jの覚醒 that wil focus on girlfriend NTR and Wの本能 that will focus on wife NTR. Both groups have already releaze their first works, that are remake from previous one.

第六花壇 is still alive and working in his new RPG. I was worried because he didn't update his pixiv in a lot of time, but last month he published the tentative standing pictures of the heroines from his new game in pixiv. I hope he will finish it soon. I'm looking forward to that game.



I replayed Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ in order to check what you are saying and to make sure what I was saying was not wrong. I still think that there is room for insterpretation, and the subtleties and "between the lines" messages are another reason why this game is great, but here is what I found:

First I want to say that I think that everything you say about how Yukari's falling to Touta's sexual prowess is spot on. In that regard I totally agree with you. The part in which I don't agree with you is that Yukari fell only because of the sex. I think that there are two degrees of falling for Yukari: body and heart. The "body" part is really obvious in the sex scenes and the monologues she has in the bathroom, however the "heart" part is not that obvious because it's just hinted in her interactions with Touta. I think she goes from hating him to not liking him to be upset to him to not hating him to just accept the way he is to worrying about him to liking him. I think this will be much more obvious in the Bonus sceneario if it's like the one in Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2, and I think it will be. I think Yukari finally falling/accepting Touta is a mix of both: The sex and her change of heart towards him because of their not sexual interactions together.

Next I will summarize what I found in the game. First I will summarize in game events as faithful as posible (those are not my opinions but the "words of god" - Rascou -), then I'll make my opinion in bold.

- Yukari is asked to tutor Touta. Touta itself ask her, and he insist that he will try hard. Yukari was expecting a blackamil, so she is taken aback by Touta's attitude. She thinks he has ulterior motives, but can't help to be dumbfounded by Touta's attitude. "No blackmail, and he seems seroius about studying".
At this point Yukari thinks Touta is just a crooked guy with an amazing cock. She is way of him and doesn't really trust him.

- Kento says to Yukari that Touta was studying at lunch hour. Yukari is impressed once again, like she can't believe the Touta she knows will study seriouslly. But she thinks it's something that will last only a day or two, and he will be back to his original self soon. "That Touta? It can't be".
Here her impression on Touta begins to change even so sligthly, as she begins consider the posibility that he can actually make an effort if he tries.

- The first time Yukari tests Touta she realize that the situation is worst of what she originally thought. Touta gets a zero, so she realize she will have to start from scratch. Yukari questions if Touta has being seriouslly studying but Touta claims that even thought he tried hard, the knowledge just scaped from his head. Remembering his son's words, Yukari considers the posibility that Touta is the kind of student that forgets easilly, so she decides to test him again. Touta asks for a reward if he pass and Yukari gives him an impossible goal (15 out of 20). Even though Touta has 5 minutes to memorize the characters, after just 1 minute he claims that he is ready, and urges Yukari to give him the test before he forgets. Yukari thinks that's imposible and gives him the test expecting that he will burn and crash again. Touta gets 14, just one point short from the goal. Saying that Yukari gets amazed by Touta memorization ability is an understatement, as she thinks what Touta did with just 1 minute of memorization was almost imposible, specially considering his first test (with 0 score). "Imposible, amazing memorization skills".
This is the first time in which Yukari's perception of Touta changes outside of the sex. To this point she thought Touta was just a perverted and lazy kid pampered by his parents and with no redeming qualities whatsoever (exept his cock). Now she is forced to rethink her perception of him after watching the amazing feat he was able to pull off. She is the first one to realize Touta's potential.

- From here on Yukari will make the tests in a way that Touta will definetly not pass, but not that hard that it will get suspicious. Depending on the player choices Touta will either pass the tests or fail just by a little bit. No matter what the outcome Yukari will get amazed once again, specially if Touta pass the tests, because she is making them specially for him to fail by a 3-4 point margin (she thinks once that she was expecting him to fail with a 7-8 out of 20). So once again Yukari is impressed by Touta's learning ability. This only happens at the begining, since by the end Yukai will make the tests easier and Touta will pass or fail depending on the players choices. "Did I understimated him?"
This is the continuation of the last point. A pattern in which Yukari didn't expect very little or nothing at all from Touta, but Touta surpass her expectations over and over again.


- Touta ask Yukari for a kiss if he pass the schoo test at middle July. She says to him that she doesn't mind if it's just a kiss in the cheek and Touta accepts. Kento tells Yukari how Touta is trying hard studying (player's choice) and Yukari gets amazed that Touta will go that far just for a kiss in the cheek. Later on we have the scene with drunk Yukari. When Touta ask his result Yukari tells him that he failled, however she remembers Kentou's words and decides to give him the reward kiss anyway. Here she says that she loves kids that make an effort. She is drunk, but what she said is true, since the reason she bacame Tutor in the first place, was because of that (liking kids that make an effort). "I love kids that make an effort."
At this point along with other minor things in their interactions, we have a Yukari begining to accept the fact that that Touta always manage to surprise her by doing the unexpected. This kind of interaction is typical in rom-com (more of that later).

- I already wrote about the flee market scene in my last post, but there is a couple of things to add. Here Yukari thinks that is not really Touta's falt being crooked, but is a consecuence of the enveroiment he was raised in. Also she feels a little bit happy when Touta stood up for her (in his childish way).
At this point is clear that Yukari doesn't really hates Touta anymore, she even hints to worry about him a little bit. If you imagine this situation in the first game it would be imposible that Yukari worry about Touta, even less to invite him to the flee market to cheer him up. However at this point she doesn't see Touta as a problem kid with no hope. At this point she has realize Touta's potential and he has proved to her that he can make an effort when he gets the right motivation (even thought is a perverted one). She has also learn that in other circunstances, maybe Touta won't be the crooked guy he is, and his familly has a lot of fault for it, so it's not that fair to put all the blame on Touta. Also Yukari putting herself on Touta's side when they are badmouthed is a big thing. If you imagine this situation in the first game Yukari will probably think something like "Well, with a kid like this, there is no help for what people think", but instead now she is more like "let them talk, they just talk because they can, don't mind them". Finally, Yukari would never would feel happy for Touta standing up for her in the first game, but now she is a little happy about it.

- When Touta manage to finish all the summer homework in one week, Yukari gets really amazed by his hard effort, that she saw along the whole week. She is fully aware of Touta's ulterior motives (having sex with Yukari), however despite that she trully thinks what Touta did was amazing and has its own merit. "He really did it!".
More of the same: Touta surpassing Yukari's expectations and proving that he can really make an effort (even though for a perverted reward).

- There are two instance in which Yukari felt flattered by Touta trying hard every week just to have sex with her. One in the kitchen and once in her bedroom (I think). "........."
At this point Yukari feels something similar to being courted by Touta. I mean, a guy making an effort to have sex with her. At this point Yukari is begining to like Touta, since it's imposible for her to feel flatered to being courted by a guy she doesn't like, specially being as proud as she is.

- In the first part of the bonbon whisky event Yukari thinks that Touta's naivity and simple minded behavior is cute, and goes along with it. "If he always behave like that"
At this point Yukari understad Touta really well, even tought he always manage to surprise her with something unexpected. I can't help but feel that they have some kind of bond at this point. They have a great chemistry together, not only on the sex department, but also in their interactions. Those interactions are really fun to watch and sometimes they are kind of cute.

- In the bad grades route Yukari notice that Touta has become really focused into making her feel good. She compares him with the Touta from before in which he didn't care about Yukari's situation at all and selfishly thought only in his own gratification. She thinks Touta has matured.
In this route Rascou wants to make sure that the player realize that Touta has change a little bit for the better, and that is thanks to Yukari. Yukari has changed him.

- In two endings (2 and 4) Touta is no longer a problem child. There are no longer complaints from him by the neighbors. In the (2) ending Touta's grades have also improve a lot. In the (4) ending, Touta is still trying hard even though he is with another teacher, he has associated making an effort with having sex with Yukari. Yukari thinks that turoring Touta was worth it if it made him change for the better. "Good kid, try your best."
The same. Touta has changed thanks to Yukari.

- In all this process Yukari's attitude towards Touta changes a lot.
This is best to compare by playing the first part of the first game, and then playing the last part of the second game. You will notice that Yukari shows parts of her (personallity) that she would never ever think of showing him before. Her attitude, her behavior, her gestures, her way of talking; all of that changes in the course of the game. In the end Yukari opens up to Touta.

There is more, but the last time I played I decided to make Touta always rest to unlock some scenes and pictures, so I missed all the extra-tutoring scenes. When you schedule an extra tutoring (not the ones from monday or friday), you sometimes can watch a little conversation/interaction between Yukari and Touta. Considering that Rascou is a perfectionist (it's amazing the detail he has putted in the decision branching and how he is really careful in changing even just 2 or 3 lines of text because of a scene/decision played/made before), I don't think those little conversation scenes are there for nothing. If there is one think I have noticed about this game is that almost everything is there for a reason. I didn't feel text/scenes are there just to make the player feel that the game is longer (which is something some developers do to "justify" the price of the game). As a result the game is really enjoyable, not only for the sex scenes, but the whole story is really fun to read. And the best part are Yukari X Touta interactions (I found myself chuclking/smilling/laughing at their interactions at varous occasions). I think they make a great combo together.

I can't help but think that Rascou is fan of rom-com given all the tropes from that genre that are hidden into this game. It's like Rascou thought of this game like this: Imagine the typical 17 years old bad-guy-with-great-potential-but-lazy-that-however-can-make-an-affort-when-he-has-to and the typical 17 years old tsundere-but-the-good-one-(not-the-obnoxious-one)-the-adorable-type-that-is-the-only-one-that-can-tame-the-guy. Both of them in a rom-com setting in high-school. Now take that couple and make the female 10 years older or so, and the guy 10 years younger or so. Imagine what their lifes would be (the female married with a kid and the male in his spoilled childhood). Now put them together with a NTR setting to see what happens between them. And thanks to the superb storytelling skills from Rascou, what we get is a masterpiece.

Also if we consider Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2 and compare it with this game, it's obvious that both have strong rom-com elements into them. I think that this will become more clear in the bonus scenario once it gets implemented, but the whole interaction between Yukari and Touta is typical rom-com, it's only that is not that obvious because of the NTR setting and the age difference between them. Girl has its world sorted out, then she meets a boy that manages to make her world upsidedown. She hates him at first, but then the boy manage to surprise her and supass her expectations. She begins to think better of the boy just for him to dissapoint her again. And so on and so forth, meanwhile the boy always manages to get her out of her comfort zone by doing something totally unexpected everytime they meet, while sweeping her off her feet in the process. Typical rom-com setting.

To summarize: I think Yukari doesn't fall only for blackmail and sex. I think it's a sum of everything that makes her fall (including her non sexual interactions with Touta). And I bet that in the Bonus scenario we will see Yukari with a mix of maternal/lover feelings toward Touta (this considering what happened in the Bonus scenario of Toaru Hitozuma no Netorare Jijou 2 and how similar both games are in terms of heroines, villains and scenario).





Both games are fully voiced as of now. The voiced version of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Sono Kouhen~ was updated on december last year, and the 4th ending/route was implemented lasth month (fully voiced too). Also a "good grades route" is planned to be the next update for this game.

Rascou has also confirmed that he will make a Bonus scenario for both games. In the case of Toaru Hahaoya no Ayamachi ~Yukari Hen~ the Bonus scenario will follow the 2th ending and it will be a "what if" route, since the 6th ending is the canon that leads to the second game.

Yeah, it fully voiced if you buy legally on the official website. But you must be know why I am here in the first place, don't cha :whistle:
 
Soooo, tomorrow is valentines.........i can't be the only one that suddenly has an urge for hardcore netorare am i?