its kinda weird how being insane about bl is considered a good thing, but if a woman expresses her desire to be pampered/praised/loved by a fictional man, she immediately gets written off as a dumb cringy person. ew you want this male character to love YOU instead of another male? embarrassing!! and this is considering how the west tried to hop on the yumejoshi train! who is the weirdo in this scenario??
funnily enough gacha game devs see who spends money the most, and its definitely NOT fujoshi lol. why do you think there are so few bl gacha? or why commercial bl is releasing pretty slowly lately? because these people prefer to fight strangers on the internet instead of spending money to support the genre they love. i dont consider myself a fujoshi, im just a casual fan of bl, but im pretty sure throughout my lifetime i spent more money on bl stuff than some of these fujoshi who cry about female mcs in otome LOLOL
Pretty much, yeah. They like to have this very positive vibe but then are really passive-aggressive on anyone who's not on the same page as them, be that self-inserters or the "crazy CN players". Whenever a topic from the CN fanbase makes it there, like the rules of the community with their national games and their inner conflicts between the self-inserters and the female lead party folk, or a recent incident with a cosplayer they just... leave it all at wow they're so delusional it's embarrassing instead of looking at the bigger picture and sociocultural context outside of fandom that is, indeed, relevant to understanding how they came to that point... And anytime this is brought up, they just ignore them :( it's just the impression I have from looking at the sub from time to time for quick news and sometimes fanarts and memes though.
Also, 私がモテてどうすんだ is another example. Before the heroine even became pretty, she was secretly fantasizing about the male leads getting together, After she lost weight and transformed into a beauty, she infiltrated their circle and kept fantasizing about them being with each other, even though all the male leads were actually in love with her. The most disgusting part is that in the end, she gets together with one of the male leads, while the rest of the main characters just get paired off with each other
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this sub was ruined a couple of years ago when someone posted a yaoi fanart and it got rightfully reported. after that mods rewrote the definition of otome in their rules, which is why the entire place is now overrun by either fujoshi who constantly discuss which lis they would love to see do each other (because fuck heroine am i right?) or amare devs who shamelessly promote their games where female mc has less screentime and less love interest than male mc
this manga is actually written by a bl author, so im not surprised at all LMAOAlso, 私がモテてどうすんだ is another example. Before the heroine even became pretty, she was secretly fantasizing about the male leads getting together, After she lost weight and transformed into a beauty, she infiltrated their circle and kept fantasizing about them being with each other, even though all the male leads were actually in love with her. The most disgusting part is that in the end, she gets together with one of the male leads, while the rest of the main characters just get paired off with each other
LITERALLY a lot of the wall-type/3rd POV players usually have this weird... not like other girls vibe to their words?? Like there's a good handful of them that aren't just enjoying it from a 3rd POV like a normal person, they clearly feel a certain type of way about women wanting to be loved in their fantasies. It really does make one wonder about stuff. I personally never understood the appeal of BL directed at women like... idk? I'm the self-insert/projecting type, but even if I wasn't I just don't get what about BL should make me that insane... specifically because I'm a woman? Or like, excited? Like I've enjoyed kiis fanservice in Blue Lock because the intensity of the rivalry heightened the stakes of the soccer matches lmao and wanted to be in between them but other than that very specific case no BL content has ever done anything for me HAHA. It's just a preference, I'm clearly not the target demographic. I think I wouldn't feel this weirdly if BL wasn't mostly created to please female audiences. If it was just romance about men that wasn't created and marketed specifically for women I mean.
I'm pretty sure the fujoshi who actually carry fandoms and franchises on their backs are the ones who flock to other, more general stuff? Like at least in my experience, they hang out on every piece of media and when they get invested, they go all out, spending their money, making fanart and fanfiction out of love and enjoyment... unlike the weirdos who cry GIMME BL IN OTOME GAMES!! LIKE DUDE WHY DOES OTOGE ATTRACT SO MANY WEIRDOS it's actually fun to think about it.
i dunno. it just sounds like a logic of a three year old child. "girls love boys, boy + boy = double love from girl right???????" as if girls dont yearn for love as well. and this "yaoi helped women to explore their sexuality without being exploited/objectified themselves" nonsensical argument that STILL gets brought up to this day is so stupid too because like. you know otome games and shoujo manga and even yuri manga are primarily written by women right. with women/girls in mind right. and they feature straight romance with good men (except for yuri obviously) right. its not 80s anymore. you actually have freedom of choice. what
this maaaayyyybe works in shounen, but also a MASSIVE chunk of support comes from yumejoshi. theyre just way less loud on social media, but they are always present, everywhere. people still think that female otaku = fujoshi, which is why people always joke about yaoi and fujoshi saving their manga, and that creates the illusion of yumejoshi never doing any stuff ever. but even the very blue lock community has its fair share of yumejoshi? which is natural, because its full of pretty boys? yet yumejoshi never get any credit for their support. can you guess why? (misogyny and malecentrism, thats why)
Right now I'm only worried about Crazy Chain I hope it doesn't have the same kind of plot (because I really love its art style), It's from the same team that made Virche Evermore, and the story setting is also connected.(づ-̩̩̩-̩̩̩_-̩̩̩-̩̩̩)づ
I completely agree. The subject of an otome game should be a woman, and the romantic development must revolve around her. This cannot be deviated from; otherwise, the heroine becomes nothing more than a camera. Such a game shouldn't even be called an otome game. The reason I think yuri is reasonable within otome games is that the emotional development still deeply involves the heroine.｢(ﾟﾍﾟ)
