do you have any pet peeves in art?

[zluoxy]

you mean you DONT enjoy this? ᗜ⩊ᗜ
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LMAOO i cannot take any character serious when looking like that

 

[dogiwall]

absolutely, it has to be one of the reasons that an indie game may not be able to afford beautiful art right now and resorts to ai, but that corporation CERTAINLY can. ( ｡ •̀ ᴖ •́ ｡)

Yeah, corpos having that much money and then resorting to using AI because they want to save time and money is really scummy.

And while I understand why there's some indie devs that use gen AI, I would be equally as harsh on them as I am with companies because, other than the other reasons on why I hate gen AI in general, if they're willing to use gen AI they might've used it for other things + it confuses me that they can probably pay up a gen AI service, but not stock photos they can edit or one of those portrait makers. Like there's many indie games that don't have 100% polished art and yet they have their fans despite that.

Basically, I'm less harsh on indie games only if there's no AI usage and even if the art isn't exactly polished and/or beautiful lol

 

[0123456789]

It wouldn't be an issue if the character were actually young, but in school-setting stories, I find it jarring when a character looks excessively young despite clearly being the same age as the others.

 

[totallyamanda]

Yeah, corpos having that much money and then resorting to using AI because they want to save time and money is really scummy.

And while I understand why there's some indie devs that use gen AI, I would be equally as harsh on them as I am with companies because, other than the other reasons on why I hate gen AI in general, if they're willing to use gen AI they might've used it for other things + it confuses me that they can probably pay up a gen AI service, but not stock photos they can edit or one of those portrait makers. Like there's many indie games that don't have 100% polished art and yet they have their fans despite that.

Basically, I'm less harsh on indie games only if there's no AI usage and even if the art isn't exactly polished and/or beautiful lol

oh, 100%. ദ്ദി ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ ) i've said many times in other threads, beautiful art won't keep readers if the story is terrible. in fact, there's plenty of 'blob' characters that people go absolutely feral for because they enjoyed the character and its story. shoot, even free assets are becoming even more ample in VN communities.
at the end of the day, it's reading and art is a pleasant addition but isn't needed for me to enjoy.
(˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶) ‹𝟹

there's just no justifying a corporation using ai for art when it can and has afforded to pay artists prior.
it's also why i didn't use any indie games as examples as there's a grace that should be given especially to small and starting game developer teams (and lots of single-person ones!) that do not have the manpower and resources like a corporation has access to. =͟͟͞(꒪ᗜ꒪ ‧̣̥̇)

 

[totallyamanda]

It wouldn't be an issue if the character were actually young, but in school-setting stories, I find it jarring when a character looks excessively young despite clearly being the same age as the others.

like honey-sempai in ouran as an example? (╭ರ_•́) is it worse if the younger looking character is older than the others? i've never been a fan of that concept a la the 1000 year old dragon really being a loli character design and acts the age she LOOKS than is.

 

[Pastels]

ai is a given! its not even art, just a bunch of ugly generations which arent worth anything. but also

LACK OF NIPPLES ON MALES' NAKED SPRITES. why would you censor something so small anyway?? its not like male chest is sexualized! and when its just a smooth chunk of skin with nothing on it, its unnerving to me LOL

I've said it once and I'll say it again! GIVE THE MEN NIPPLES! Free the nips!!!

 

[Lynettee]

Any poor proportions in the body of the character being drawn, badly drawn hands or feet, and lately I've realized I hate bad proportions in the face (Thanks Otome Daoshi for opening my eyes). It also bothers me a bit when the art style changes between sprite and CG; this is especially noticeable in Diabolik Lovers, where Kanato is well-drawn in his sprite but becomes too amorphous in his CG sprites XD. And of course, when the character is built like a wardrobe and the protagonist looks like a child.

 

[0123456789]

like honey-sempai in ouran as an example? (╭ರ_•́) is it worse if the younger looking character is older than the others? i've never been a fan of that concept a la the 1000 year old dragon really being a loli character design and acts the age she LOOKS than is.

They guessed the character I was thinking of!
If the species are different, it introduces fantasy elements, so it doesn't really bother me that much.
I feel a sense of resistance when the premise is "even though the setting is close to reality."

 

[totallyamanda]

Any poor proportions in the body of the character being drawn, badly drawn hands or feet, and lately I've realized I hate bad proportions in the face (Thanks Otome Daoshi for opening my eyes). It also bothers me a bit when the art style changes between sprite and CG; this is especially noticeable in Diabolik Lovers, where Kanato is well-drawn in his sprite but becomes too amorphous in his CG sprites XD. And of course, when the character is built like a wardrobe and the protagonist looks like a child.

Once you start pinpointing what makes a face a bit unnerving proportion wise, it's hard to ignore! it's the same with certain vibes from art, you either like it or HAVE to ignore it as it's so widely used like gigantic (usually heroine's) eyes and lack of nose. ദ്ദി ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ )

did you mean otome daoshi opened your eyes for the better like you enjoyed their art or viceversa?

They guessed the character I was thinking of!
If the species are different, it introduces fantasy elements, so it doesn't really bother me that much.
I feel a sense of resistance when the premise is "even though the setting is close to reality."

ouran is its own trope within tropes, haha, it's why lots of people enjoy it more after being further into the shoujo-anime lore. i definitely get what you're saying, especially when the character is drawn egregiously younger and less in the realm of someone with just a baby face. •⩊•

I've said it once and I'll say it again! GIVE THE MEN NIPPLES! Free the nips!!!

i'll get the pitchforks at the ready!! ψ (｀∇´) ψ

besides it's very common for humans who have 'moles' or large freckles on their chest/torso to actually be multiple nipples! i want freedom for ALL nipples!! ↻(𓄼 .̀ ̮.́)Ψ

 

[muragaki]

It wouldn't be an issue if the character were actually young, but in school-setting stories, I find it jarring when a character looks excessively young despite clearly being the same age as the others.

100%. The opposite is true for me as well, when the character looks so old that they feel out of place.

As for other peeves... tbh I don't mind stylized anatomy, like in suoh's past works.
this may be a hot take (or not?), but i'm just not a fan of the old school anime style. I love TMGS 1 with all my heart, but the art just isn't for me.

also ""shiny""/""oily"" artwork lmao

 

[totallyamanda]

100%. The opposite is true for me as well, when the character looks so old that they feel out of place.

As for other peeves... tbh I don't mind stylized anatomy, like in suoh's past works.
this may be a hot take (or not?), but i'm just not a fan of the old school anime style. I love TMGS 1 with all my heart, but the art just isn't for me.

also ""shiny""/""oily"" artwork lmao

ahh, i get that one as well! especially when the love interest is on round three of puberty and the mc is baby-faced, fresh and practically a newborn. ૮₍˶ ╥ ‸ ╥ ⑅₎ა

did you grow up with the classic anime style? i know that's why a lot of people enjoy the art as it's a nostalgia blast but 100% is not appealing to everyone, even as an avid fan some of the designs are...definitely a choice...

your shiny/oily comment only brings to mind shirtless oiled up men, haha. is that what you mean or am i missing a whole different avenue of oily-shininess? ( ╹ -╹)

 

[6161xx]

In most cases, I am quite open-minded, as the storyline is of utmost importance to me. When I encounter situations where the human proportions are distorted, I might make a small comment about it, but then I move on.

 

[totallyamanda]

In most cases, I am quite open-minded, as the storyline is of utmost importance to me. When I encounter situations where the human proportions are distorted, I might make a small comment about it, but then I move on.

i agree 100%, as i've stated before with any story-media, pretty characters can never carry an unappealing story enough for me to finish it (as depressive as beautiful art with lackluster stories are.) .·°՞(っ-ᯅ-ς)՞°·.

 

[Fruitcup]

My major pet peeve is the look over shoulder spirte I hate it with my whole being. (╯°□°)╯( ┻━┻

 

[muragaki]

ahh, i get that one as well! especially when the love interest is on round three of puberty and the mc is baby-faced, fresh and practically a newborn. ૮₍˶ ╥ ‸ ╥ ⑅₎ა

did you grow up with the classic anime style? i know that's why a lot of people enjoy the art as it's a nostalgia blast but 100% is not appealing to everyone, even as an avid fan some of the designs are...definitely a choice...

your shiny/oily comment only brings to mind shirtless oiled up men, haha. is that what you mean or am i missing a whole different avenue of oily-shininess? ( ╹ -╹)

I did grow up with it! perhaps nowadays i'm probably more inclined towards more "bold"/"modern" styles. i love satoi's art in general for example, but her style for tengoku struggle takes the cake for me. i guess growing up having The World Ends with You as my favorite game says a lot lmao

when i say "oily", the first that comes to mind is Storm Lover, but this game might be a product of its era, somehow.

Girlish Love Revolution also has been ingrained in my brain, but not positively lmao

In terms of modern otoge, the shiniest that comes to mind is Melo's art for Taishou x Alice. I liked the game a lot, but i can't say i was a fan of the artstyle :x

 

[藍色水珠]

Early otome games, or fan-made works, often featured characters with disproportionate facial features and body shapes. For example, some characters had eyes that looked alien-like, taking up half their face; their arms were too long, resembling a chimpanzee; and their upper and lower bodies were so dissimilar that they didn't look like the same person.
I understand that newcomers need to refine their art style and character skeletal structure. As long as it's not too exaggerated, I'll turn a blind eye and continue playing.

早期年代的乙女遊戲畫風,或是自製同人作品,有些人物五官和身材比例不符合,例如眼睛像外星人一樣佔據整張臉的一半,手臂太長像黑猩猩,還有上半身跟下半身差太多,不像同一個人.
我可以理解新人需要多磨練畫風和人物骨架,只要別太誇張,我都睜一隻眼閉一隻眼,忍耐玩下去.

 

[totallyamanda]

I did grow up with it! perhaps nowadays i'm probably more inclined towards more "bold"/"modern" styles. i love satoi's art in general for example, but her style for tengoku struggle takes the cake for me. i guess growing up having The World Ends with You as my favorite game says a lot lmao

when i say "oily", the first that comes to mind is Storm Lover, but this game might be a product of its era, somehow.
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Girlish Love Revolution also has been ingrained in my brain, but not positively lmao
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In terms of modern otoge, the shiniest that comes to mind is Melo's art for Taishou x Alice. I liked the game a lot, but i can't say i was a fan of the artstyle :x

me too! TWEWY has that perfect stylized proportions and street style that i adore. gives SUCH nostalgia and is so recognizable just like KH. Tengoku is such a beatiful game, the characters are gorgeous and i love the themes and choices used for styling. (♡ˊ͈ ꒳ ˋ͈)
i still have a soft spot for the classics but good art is just...chef's kiss~

but i get it, yes, i totally get you on shiny/oily!!! ( ˶°ㅁ°) !! and you've just made me remember another tiny miniscule one but it also seems to be in correlation to the shiny art but it's that gelled, spiky over drawn hair, one where there's a (probably realistic, admittedly, lol) a gazillion hair strands illustrated where it's so disjointed in compared to the rest of the art work. your storm lover pic provides the perfect example!!
( ˶ˆᗜˆ˵ )

Early otome games, or fan-made works, often featured characters with disproportionate facial features and body shapes. For example, some characters had eyes that looked alien-like, taking up half their face; their arms were too long, resembling a chimpanzee; and their upper and lower bodies were so dissimilar that they didn't look like the same person.
I understand that newcomers need to refine their art style and character skeletal structure. As long as it's not too exaggerated, I'll turn a blind eye and continue playing.

早期年代的乙女遊戲畫風,或是自製同人作品,有些人物五官和身材比例不符合,例如眼睛像外星人一樣佔據整張臉的一半,手臂太長像黑猩猩,還有上半身跟下半身差太多,不像同一個人.
我可以理解新人需要多磨練畫風和人物骨架,只要別太誇張,我都睜一隻眼閉一隻眼,忍耐玩下去.

you definitely have to learn to ignore certain art 'quirks' if it's an enjoyable story. i'm not as much as a stickler as my thread implies, this was just a fun way of venting! the big ears are an issue that sticks out (literally) to me and will borderline be ape-like making it more comical than it was intended!
ꉂ ꉂ (´ ᗜ｀)

如果故事本身很有趣，確實得學會忽略畫風上的一些「怪癖」。其實我並沒有貼文表現得那麼挑剔，那純粹是圖好、發發牢騷罷了！不過，那種大耳朵確實很顯眼（字面上的顯眼），甚至有點像猿猴，導致效果變得有些滑稽，偏離了原本想要呈現的風格！ꉂ ꉂ (´ ᗜ｀) 我使用了機器翻譯，如有錯誤，敬請見諒！

My major pet peeve is the look over shoulder spirte I hate it with my whole being. (╯°□°)╯( ┻━┻

is there any egregious example you can think of? or is it the whole vibe/proportions? because if it's the type i'm thinking of that makes eyecontact with the camera, i totally get it, gives me the heeby-jeebies sometimes! 〜⁠(⁠꒪⁠꒳⁠꒪⁠)⁠〜

 

[Fruitcup]

is there any egregious example you can think of? or is it the whole vibe/proportions? because if it's the type i'm thinking of that makes eyecontact with the camera, i totally get it, gives me the heeby-jeebies sometimes! 〜⁠(⁠꒪⁠꒳⁠꒪⁠)⁠〜

I wouldn't say these are egregious by many means but this is what im talking about; its very off putting to me heres two examples from sympathy kiss.

 

[muragaki]

me too! TWEWY has that perfect stylized proportions and street style that i adore. gives SUCH nostalgia and is so recognizable just like KH. Tengoku is such a beatiful game, the characters are gorgeous and i love the themes and choices used for styling. (♡ˊ͈ ꒳ ˋ͈)
i still have a soft spot for the classics but good art is just...chef's kiss~

but i get it, yes, i totally get you on shiny/oily!!! ( ˶°ㅁ°) !! and you've just made me remember another tiny miniscule one but it also seems to be in correlation to the shiny art but it's that gelled, spiky over drawn hair, one where there's a (probably realistic, admittedly, lol) a gazillion hair strands illustrated where it's so disjointed in compared to the rest of the art work. your storm lover pic provides the perfect example!!
( ˶ˆᗜˆ˵ )

omg nomura's artstyle is so delicious in the game, it's everything to me. i just love the boldness in everything

the overdrawn and spiky hair!!!! that is one of my pet peeves as well, there's something about it that just doesn't sit with me. i think that's why i'm not a bit fan of the classic style in general! not to say that they were all bad, as they had a lot of personality and were really expressive, but overall it's just... yeah lmao

 

[hib]

I Hate Mannequin Bodies ! ! ! ! Show Me The Pepperoni ! ! ! ! Better Yet , Show Me Men Boobs , Boy Pits , Male Feet , Man Buttocks ! !

Next , Composition ! !
In R18 Otome , The Lewd Art Is Drawn And To Focus The FMC . . . . . . . . . . Let Me See Bro's Cock ! ! ! ! ! Seriously Why Is The FMC Only One Stripping , Showing Skin And Getting Smashed ? ? ? Let Me See The Dude Strip , Focus On His Body , Show His Lewd Expressions ! ! ! ! Honestly , If You Want To See Men Lewds , You Are Better Off Going For Boy's Love Than Otome (HAHAHAHA)

I've Literally Played Some Galge Where The Protag Body Was On ( Quite Sexy ) Display Than An Otome Would , That's Pretty Sad . . .

Hmm , Inconsistent Body Types . . .
Seeing A Cast Of LI With The Same Build : Lean Muscle . . The Heights Being The Same Too , Give Me Variety ! ! ! Different Cock Sizes Too ! ! ! !

 

[totallyamanda]

I wouldn't say these are egregious by many means but this is what im talking about; its very off putting to me heres two examples from sympathy kiss.View attachment 108771View attachment 108772

oh, dear...(っ º - º ς)
they're like owls, 360° head turns...your examples are well proven why this is a perfect pet peeve in art..

I Hate Mannequin Bodies ! ! ! ! Show Me The Pepperoni ! ! ! ! Better Yet , Show Me Men Boobs , Boy Pits , Male Feet , Man Buttocks ! !

Next , Composition ! !
In R18 Otome , The Lewd Art Is Drawn And To Focus The FMC . . . . . . . . . . Let Me See Bro's Cock ! ! ! ! ! Seriously Why Is The FMC Only One Stripping , Showing Skin And Getting Smashed ? ? ? Let Me See The Dude Strip , Focus On His Body , Show His Lewd Expressions ! ! ! ! Honestly , If You Want To See Men Lewds , You Are Better Off Going For Boy's Love Than Otome (HAHAHAHA)

I've Literally Played Some Galge Where The Protag Body Was On ( Quite Sexy ) Display Than An Otome Would , That's Pretty Sad . . .

Hmm , Inconsistent Body Types . . .
Seeing A Cast Of LI With The Same Build : Lean Muscle . . The Heights Being The Same Too , Give Me Variety ! ! ! Different Cock Sizes Too ! ! ! !

YES!!! ദ്ദി ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ )✧
i want hefty bodies, i want soft bodies, shorties that aren't younger-types, i want silver-haired foxes and i want them now!!
i'm so tired of the same eight pack and clavicles that could catch a gallon of water in them!!!

i know, it's such a shame that the emphasis is on the heroine's expression in r18s. when i wanna see a cute boy in euphoria, you have to head to BL. (ᵕ—ᴗ—)
(but that's also my issue with female MCs that are defaulted to submissive types. i want FEMDOM, i want female assertiveness (>᎑<๑)/♡)
same goes with their bodies, there's so many female on top scenes that completely blocks out the sight of the male entirely.
no, let me see...｡°(°.◜ᯅ◝°)°｡

i completely agree, variety is the spice of life, there's so many unexplored avenues when it comes to male (and female) physiques in games that would be SUCH a fresh change of pace. ( ,,⩌'︿'⩌,,)

 

[totallyamanda]

omg nomura's artstyle is so delicious in the game, it's everything to me. i just love the boldness in everything

the overdrawn and spiky hair!!!! that is one of my pet peeves as well, there's something about it that just doesn't sit with me. i think that's why i'm not a bit fan of the classic style in general! not to say that they were all bad, as they had a lot of personality and were really expressive, but overall it's just... yeah lmao

i wanted to dress like them so bad, i loved the street style and all the cute accessories but it does not translate as great irl (at least for me and my body) ദ്ദി( T ᗜ T )

the hair is almost too out-of-place, like it's OVERLY emphasized where the rest of the characters' designs seem like an afterthought than given the same amount of detail and time dedicated to that of the hair. ( ´･･)ﾉ(._.`)


(but both of those examples of 'classic' games are a rite of passage of 'what in the world am i playing?' yet you need to continue for your battle scars) ᕙ( •̀ ᗜ •́ )ᕗ

 

[ninnikuryona]

Next , Composition ! !
In R18 Otome , The Lewd Art Is Drawn And To Focus The FMC . . . . . . . . . . Let Me See Bro's Cock ! ! ! ! ! Seriously Why Is The FMC Only One Stripping , Showing Skin And Getting Smashed ? ? ? Let Me See The Dude Strip , Focus On His Body , Show His Lewd Expressions ! ! ! ! Honestly , If You Want To See Men Lewds , You Are Better Off Going For Boy's Love Than Otome (HAHAHAHA)

yea thats just the difference between malegaze and femgaze in general.. women are not seeking lewd expressions/sexualized or exaggerated proportions from fictional men, but rather loving/respectful attitude towards the heroine. a shame for everyone who wants to see male ahegao and stuff, but thats how things are for the most part:"3

 

[muragaki]

I Hate Mannequin Bodies ! ! ! ! Show Me The Pepperoni ! ! ! ! Better Yet , Show Me Men Boobs , Boy Pits , Male Feet , Man Buttocks ! !

yes!!!!!!! please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that's why i owe Kinano my life. all of her characters have the most beautiful legs i've ever seen, and the men??? oh my god. the tits...... her work for touken ranbu is one of the reasons why i can breathe in this world (also kyokai no shirayuki has her as character designer and i swear all of the visuals are just so [gender]. give me men in stiletto heels all day, every day)

i wanted to dress like them so bad, i loved the street style and all the cute accessories but it does not translate as great irl (at least for me and my body) ദ്ദി( T ᗜ T )

the hair is almost too out-of-place, like it's OVERLY emphasized where the rest of the characters' designs seem like an afterthought than given the same amount of detail and time dedicated to that of the hair. ( ´･･)ﾉ(._.`)


(but both of those examples of 'classic' games are a rite of passage of 'what in the world am i playing?' yet you need to continue for your battle scars) ᕙ( •̀ ᗜ •́ )ᕗ

you gotta know ball to start ballin'!!!!!!!!