Have you ever shipped two guys in an otome game?

[haiane]

Has it ever happened to you that you'd rather see one LI romance another LI instead of the heroine?

I can't help myself feeling this way about Nicola and Dante (Piofiore). Nicola is seriously all, "Dante this, Dante that," and I was just sitting there thinking, "Oh my god, do me a favor, grow some guts and go for him already. Everyone would be happier this way."

Have you ever had a pair like that in an otome game? Which LIs had more chemistry with each other than with the heroine, in your opinion?

 

[Yara010]

Jokes about Crius and Tyril in Even if Tempest are my favourite

 

[hib]

Never , This Is Quite A Landmine Topic Honestly . . . . . . .
Be Careful Posting Your Ships On Different More Public Platforms , So You Don't Get Harassed ! ! ! ! !
I Quite Like BL , But I Keep That Separate From Otome . . . . . . .
If It's Just A General Joseimuke , Then I Do All Sorts Of Ships ! ! ! ! ! !

 

[osanajimimi]

No, I don't ship LIs.

It's true that some male characters have chemistry, and depending on the person, they might ship them. In my case, I don't, but I still enjoy good interactions between the LIs.

And yes, answering the person above, it's a landmine topic in some communities. Honestly, I would prefer not to make LI ships common outside of what's intended for otome (Though I know some people would call that exaggerated, but hey, that's a whole discussion I won't get into right now)

 

[ninnikuryona]

people who ship male characters together in otome shouldnt even play otome in the first place. if you wish for bl, why not play bl games? they could use some support anyway. i never ship lis together and i think very negatively of those who do

and also, "lis have more chemistry with each other than the heroine!!" is cope which is always based on nothing and is being used as a justification of ruining fandoms. thats what happened with grmn and virche, no? otome is supposed to be a safe space for women who want to engage in some love with handsome fictional men, not be forcefed content they dont like and dont want to see (and shouldnt even see in the first place in the genre). call me too radical but thats one view ill never change

 

[BLFan]

I don't play otome games, but some characters are impossible not to ship in games and anime in general. Some even seem visually gay. If you don't want them shipped, don't watch or play anything because nobody will pay attention. There are all sorts of ships on the internet... I even think that the ambiguous games that are coming out now should make you choose whether you're male or female to avoid conflicts, or Ideafactory should go back to making BL games again if they want to make such disguised gay games.

 

[ninnikuryona]

Some even seem visually gay

wouldnt this be considered homophobic? what does "visually gay" even mean. conservative men usually call other dudes that to justify beating the shit out of them

 

[satory]

People can think anything they want, because nobody can tell other person "you should think these thoughts, and not those, because I say you so". If they are not running with petitions to publishers and writers - why not let people do what they want to do?

There is nothing every single person agrees with and there is nothing every single person doesn't agree in the world. It's okay to have an opinion, if people quietly have it where it could be had :(

 

[BLFan]

wouldnt this be considered homophobic? what does "visually gay" even mean. conservative men usually call other dudes that to justify beating the shit out of them

OMG That's hilarious. You tell me something like this is straight?

And you tell me I can't ship them, hahaha. Try arguing with the entire internet, you probably won't be able to... and I'm not homophobic either.

 

[dogiwall]

Not a fan of shipping LIs together or even LIs with anyone that's not the MC tbh.

If I wanted that, I would just read a romance novel, shoujo manga, or whatever. And if I wanted BL, I would just consume BL media. I think the point of an otome game is romance between the MC and LIs + the perspective of a woman. Not being the third wheel. I'm not of a fan of what garumani did lmao.

Can't stop people from shipping what they want, but I'll just block and move on. Though people that demand BL in otome games are demanding burgers at an ice cream store.

wouldnt this be considered homophobic? what does "visually gay" even mean. conservative men usually call other dudes that to justify beating the shit out of them

Wary of this too tbh. And I feel like this also enforces stereotypes in a way.

And I've seen people calling ikemen and bishounen characters that for not being 100% muscle macho man that looks like the pinnacle of body builders lmao.
Also, this reminds me of that one twitter post about virche i think

 

[ninnikuryona]

OMG That's hilarious. You tell me something like this is straight?

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And you tell me I can't ship them, hahaha. Try arguing with the entire internet, you probably won't be able to... and I'm not homophobic either.

kindly tell me exactly why you think they look gay. are pretty men not allowed to love women? are women not allowed to fall in love with pretty men?
and also, have you read a single bara manga? or vn? you know, those that are written by ACTUAL gay men for ACTUAL gay men? none of these characters look like your average bara character. so which one is more gay, a straight character from a straight game in a straight genre that looks slightly prettier than your average male character or a confirmed gay character in a confirmed gay game for gay audiences?

also, surprisingly, reading bl does not make you non-homophobic. tons of fujoshi disregard actual queer stories in favour of yaoi bait because theyre just not interested in actual homosexual representation, preferring instead to fight over how other genres should bend to their liking, which naturally leads to actual bl/queer projects dying out. meanwhile, yumejoshi actually bother to support works they love. what is this if not homophobia.

 

[osanajimimi]

I don't play otome games, but some characters are impossible not to ship in games and anime in general. Some even seem visually gay. If you don't want them shipped, don't watch or play anything because nobody will pay attention. There are all sorts of ships on the internet... I even think that the ambiguous games that are coming out now should make you choose whether you're male or female to avoid conflicts, or Ideafactory should go back to making BL games again if they want to make such disguised gay games.

I understand your point, and everyone is free to have their own interpretation of media, but it's also important to respect the different labels.

What I mean is, if you order ice cream but get a hamburger instead, that's not what you asked for. It's the same with otome games. That's why these labels exist: they tell you the intended perspective of the MC and the type of romance the story is built around. In the same way that shipping a female character in a BL game would be considered a no-go, the same principle applies here. It's simply about respecting the intended genre.

As you mentioned, ambiguity can exist in any story, but there are still boundaries.

The kind of game where you can choose whether the protagonist is male or female already has a label: amare. If people enjoy that format, I think it's better to support and promote that genre instead of trying to change otome games, which seem to be constantly pushed away from their original identity, unlike BL.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just clarify the concepts. You can ship whoever you want, but I think it's also important to understand why it's controversial in some communities.

 

[nerim-w]

Sorry as selfish as it sounds but im there to have the LIs fall in love with ME, not each other i have no interest in shipping LIs and if two LIs were to have more chemistry than with the heroine, it would be a failure of writing on the writers side because wdym you cant write an engaging enough female character that even the bromance is more convincing of a plausible ship?

I fear it would draw too many parallels to shounen media where people hated female characters (nobara, sakura) for getting in the way of a gay ship since the male characters and their relationships were way more developed than their female characters..

 

[dogiwall]

OMG That's hilarious. You tell me something like this is straight?

Expression and sexuality are two entirely different things. What on earth earth is your reasoning?
You have the right to ship what you want and no one can stop you, I'll give you that. But, I'm not trying to start a fight here, you can't say that you're not homophobic while at the same time you enforce harmful stereotypes.

 

[BLFan]

I understand your point, and everyone is free to have their own interpretation of media, but it's also important to respect the different labels.

What I mean is, if you order ice cream but get a hamburger instead, that's not what you asked for. It's the same with otome games. That's why these labels exist: they tell you the intended perspective of the MC and the type of romance the story is built around. In the same way that shipping a female character in a BL game would be considered a no-go, the same principle applies here. It's simply about respecting the intended genre.

As you mentioned, ambiguity can exist in any story, but there are still boundaries.

The kind of game where you can choose whether the protagonist is male or female already has a label: amare. If people enjoy that format, I think it's better to support and promote that genre instead of trying to change otome games, which seem to be constantly pushed away from their original identity, unlike BL.

I'm not trying to start an argument, just clarify the concepts. You can ship whoever you want, but I think it's also important to understand why it's controversial in some communities.

You're right, you totally got the point of my comment 100% . I think I've been misunderstood a lot because of the labels xD I also wouldn't want a female Li in my BL games, so... I feel like if I played otome games, seeing a guy like Li should be labeled as amare, not otome... and yes, I'm in favor of them developing more amare games, by the way.

 

[imonusi]

I've played both Otome and BL, but I've never thought so.

I like it better not to think about it together.

Because the worldview of the work will be destroyed
I understand that there are people who think so, but I don't...

 

[mirasaki]

no and never. imo kinda the same question if someone shipping LIs from BL or GL game to a woman/man. it's a different story if you ask about ships in joseimuke/danseimuke games. especially both otome game and bl game already have their own medias themselves so I think we have to understand and respect the unwritten rules in each realm.

I won't judge with what or where ppl ships but if some of ppl shipped LIs from otome game, just keep it to yourself

 

[osanajimimi]

I feel like if I played otome games, seeing a guy like Li should be labeled as amare, not otome...

Just to clarify, although otome games are aimed at women's tastes by definition, anyone can enjoy the story because it's told through the perspective of a female protagonist. It's your choice whether you see the protagonist as her own character or want to self-insert, which, in most cases, would be a woman interested in the LIs. That doesn't change the fact that it's still an otome game.

 

[stupidadsxce]

....yes.... i ship Eiichi x Ryou from Forttissimo. Theyre just....gay... i mean theres scene when ryou said he like eiichi(well he said its joke)

 

[orionsbestie]

as selfish as it sounds but im there to have the LIs fall in love with ME, not each other

seconding this thought. The whole thing you wrote but mostly this HAHA

I've never been particularly interested in BL ships and don't really understand the fixation some people have on them. I don't play otome to ship characters with each other lmao the characters were made to be shipped with the player/heroine.

I have many thoughts about this but I'll hold back because I'm kinda too tired for English rn. The point is: everything should stay where it belongs. This is fiction we're talking about ppl not real life lol!! Unless the plot absolutely required it, there's literally no need for any BL in an otome game. Even if the plot "required" It (I genuinely can't think of any actual otome, not amare, game that would make a respectful story that involved lgbt themes enough that a BL relationship would need to take up screen time away from the relationship between the LI and the player/MC. The shit Virche did is not respectful at all and I don't understand anyone who likes that when it's essentially just the bury your gays trope as a side decoration to the tragedy of the straight main couple...), I think it should be limited to side characters and worldbuilding. People don't go to otome for BL they go for GxB romance. It's as easy and simple as that.

 

[RailPassingBy]

First, no. Second, why would I fcking do that?

OMG That's hilarious. You tell me something like this is straight?

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And you tell me I can't ship them, hahaha. Try arguing with the entire internet, you probably won't be able to... and I'm not homophobic either.

I thought when you mean by "visually gay" is a character with some distinguished gay clothing or accessories(?) or something like that. I don't see any on them like..? I think you'd find this kind of thing in otome media too, I'm not even surprised if lots of if yumejoshi are actually into them (not me though)

 

[RedLipsSourApples]

Yves and Hugo lol apart from that not really, I'm also not at all fond of the idea of LI having feelings for eachother. That one amare game marketed to otome players wherein most of the LI seem to have feelings for eachother (and two of them are explicitly fwb or more) ts felt horrendous lol. Felt like I was playing a chair simulator not a dating sim.