I'm looking for people to talk about the LuckyDog1 series (r18 bl)

[testeeee]

I have yet to play Mr Giancarlo since I'm still slowly getting through bad egg but those screenshots make it look interesting so I'll be sure to pick it up after bad egg! It's a bunch of short side stories set after the original game yeah? It'll at the very least make for fun flavour text adding to the characters backgrounds and the such!

yes its side stories from when Gian is capo. Some are bad egg related too !
most of the stories are very short slice of life stuff, like gian going to the onsen with each capo individually or each capo giving a birthday present to gian. Nothing groundbreaking, but it has some cute cgs. Theres 3 short stories (longest ones) which are scenario oriented tho
whats a shame is that there is no "extra" menu where you get to see all cgs youve unlocked... so i saved them all in a text document lol

 

[Fishish]

i agree to almsot everything you said! i do think the woman who ivan is the closest to considering her as a partner is Rosalia, but shes too young for him (at least when the story takes place) so its hard to say whether he couldve considered her as a life long romantic partner or not. This and his physical attraction to women makes me think he is bi, but him being gay also makes sense.

Btw i thought that the last H scene would be ivan being bottom. I wouldve liked that, but its true that ivan wanting to top all the time is part of his way to reassure himself.
I also thought that Gian would maybe top Giulio (i know it doiesnt happen in BLVNs because the protagonist is almost always bottom, but we did see gian being on top in the prison so i thought it could maybe happen).

Yeah to me he gives off full bi energy but he also might be so far in the closet he's visiting narnia on the daily! Both fully make sense to me and with how much he seems to hate being seen as anything but macho he would never admit to either regardless!

Yeah a lot of BL games put the protag firmly as the bottom though I agree that Gian could easily switch a few of those boys! When a character is my favourite I'll usually imagine them as a bottom regardless because honestly they deserve the attention! But it would have been interesting to see some dynamics change in Gians case since he already proved he could be quite the mean little top! (Plus Giulio would have TOTALLY let him and him wrestling with Ivan or god forbid the bigger men to get a chance to top is the funniest visual ever! (Boss said it's my turn to top today!! Says Gian to luchino who would totally be holding him by the scruff of his neck)).

There are only a couple of games I can think of at the top of my head where you play as a character who tops and even less where you can switch. In Ooe and all parade games (no thank you, room no 9, lkyt and lesson) you play a protag who tops and in Bara no Ki ni Bara no Hanasaku and Shingakkou you can switch and pick what role the protag takes for each scene! (Which leads to some quite humorous moments play Shingakkou says the fish, forcing shingakkou down everyone's throats) In omertà and omega vampire the protagonist also switches but it is determined on who your partner is aka with one route they might always top and in others they will always bottom!

 

[Fishish]

yes its side stories from when Gian is capo. Some are bad egg related too !
most of the stories are very short slice of life stuff, like gian going to the onsen with each capo individually or each capo giving a birthday present to gian. Nothing groundbreaking, but it has some cute cgs. Theres 3 short stories (longest ones) which are scenario oriented tho
whats a shame is that there is no "extra" menu where you get to see all cgs youve unlocked... so i saved them all in a text document lol

Yep so definitely more "flavour text". Though I'll never say no to more pretty pictures or the chance to the the lads acting silly instead of getting shot at (I got to a scene in bad egg earlier today which now solidifies my desire for unshot Gian ). Yeah I have folders on my pc full of BL screenshots so at least not having a button on the game menu for it won't make much of a difference to my system

 

[ishibashi]

There are only a couple of games I can think of at the top of my head where you play as a character who tops and even less where you can switch. In Ooe and all parade games (no thank you, room no 9, lkyt and lesson) you play a protag who tops and in Bara no Ki ni Bara no Hanasaku and Shingakkou you can switch! (Which leads to some quite humorous moments )

Bara no Ki is that one game where you can make the most visually and personality-wise bottomiest bottom boy in existence top the toppiest guy in existence. Azusa topping almost anyone is automatically hilarious lol, kudos to writer for making it work out somehow.

For the more story centric side of things: A lot of the older games would have a token route where the usually-bottom MC tops (often a younger guy). Togainu no Chi, Gakuen Heaven, Laughter Land...other things I can't remember....oh yeah, Omerta also routes where the MC tops and routes where the MC switches. All of the Bokura no Ren'ai Shinrigaku series also have multiple protagonists you freely switch POVs around in and you can pick who tops who. They're pretty impressive game design-wise, though the first one (Birdie) was also a pretty horrifying story. The second and third are tame fluffy games for the most part. You can also pick who tops in Oujisama Lv 1, I think? (Canaan looks like a bottom but he's a sadist at heart.) And uhhhhh Shuugyou Ryokou and Rinkai Gasshuku are games I actually enjoyed a lot that lets you pick whether the MC bottoms or tops, but they had a shoestring budget so sometimes kiss CGs have only have version so it gets hilarious.

For more questionable things I think Pil/Slash's Gakuen Sodom also lets you pick who tops for what it's worth, and their Ore no Shita de Agake game is about being a scum top CEO of the type popular in the 90's (though I vaguely recall hearing that you can choose to bottom in that game too). Of course Kichiku Megane's main point is that you pick playing a soft bottom or a scum top.

 

[Fishish]

Bara no Ki is that one game where you can make the most visually and personality-wise bottomiest bottom boy in existence top the toppiest guy in existence. Azusa topping almost anyone is automatically hilarious lol, kudos to writer for making it work out somehow.

For the more story centric side of things: A lot of the older games would have a token route where the usually-bottom MC tops (often a younger guy). Togainu no Chi, Gakuen Heaven, Laughter Land...other things I can't remember....oh yeah, Omerta also routes where the MC tops and routes where the MC switches. All of the Bokura no Ren'ai Shinrigaku series also have multiple protagonists you freely switch POVs around in and you can pick who tops who. They're pretty impressive game design-wise, though the first one (Birdie) was also a pretty horrifying story. The second and third are tame fluffy games for the most part. You can also pick who tops in Oujisama Lv 1, I think? (Canaan looks like a bottom but he's a sadist at heart.) And uhhhhh Shuugyou Ryokou and Rinkai Gasshuku are games I actually enjoyed a lot that lets you pick whether the MC bottoms or tops, but they had a shoestring budget so sometimes kiss CGs have only have version so it gets hilarious.

For more questionable things I think Pil/Slash's Gakuen Sodom also lets you pick who tops for what it's worth, and their Ore no Shita de Agake game is about being a scum top CEO of the type popular in the 90's (though I vaguely recall hearing that you can choose to bottom in that game too). Of course Kichiku Megane's main point is that you pick playing a soft bottom or a scum top.

You have a fantastic memory! Despite playing a number of these they still kinda slipped my mind! In most games I tend to remember my favourite routes most so even in something like togainu no chi which I totally should of remembered my mind just associates it with keisuke or motomi which then further condenses down to akira = bottom

I kinda miss that aspect of older games though, being a bit more adventurous with shoving their protagonists into all positions even if it was often very "token" and predictable to know who was going to lead to your single chance to top for the game

 

[testeeee]

Yeah to me he gives off full bi energy but he also might be so far in the closet he's visiting narnia on the daily! Both fully make sense to me and with how much he seems to hate being seen as anything but macho he would never admit to either regardless!

Yeah a lot of BL games put the protag firmly as the bottom though I agree that Gian could easily switch a few of those boys! When a character is my favourite I'll usually imagine them as a bottom regardless because honestly they deserve the attention! But it would have been interesting to see some dynamics change in Gians case since he already proved he could be quite the mean little top! (Plus Giulio would have TOTALLY let him and him wrestling with Ivan or god forbid the bigger men to get a chance to top is the funniest visual ever! (Boss said it's my turn to top today!! Says Gian to luchino who would totally be holding him by the scruff of his neck)).

There are only a couple of games I can think of at the top of my head where you play as a character who tops and even less where you can switch. In Ooe and all parade games (no thank you, room no 9, lkyt and lesson) you play a protag who tops and in Bara no Ki ni Bara no Hanasaku and Shingakkou you can switch and pick what role the protag takes for each scene! (Which leads to some quite humorous moments play Shingakkou says the fish, forcing shingakkou down everyone's throats) In omertà and omega vampire the protagonist also switches but it is determined on who your partner is aka with one route they might always top and in others they will always bottom!

we were ROBBED from bottom ivan and giulio. Thats true for top gian, his acting with Llyod really surprised me !! We deserved to see him like that with Ivan and Giulio. And yes Giulio would have 10000% loved that, considering he loves punishments, begging and such. Im not even talking from gooner perspective, just like character/scenario wise it would have made so much sense. And yeah wrestling with Ivan wouldve made sense too, the last H scene with ivan starts like that (not respecting his consent tho unfortunately...) so the writers probably thought about it a little.
For luchino, gian seems to enjoy being bottom too much to try to switch, even saying stuff like it changed his life etc. But also i could picture them trying it out, and luchino would for sure enjoy having gian trying to top him. bernardo and bakshi would probably like that too actually

no worries shingakkou is a game ill play!
ty for other recommendations!

concerning bad egg i think i know where youre at!

 

[testeeee]

Bara no Ki is that one game where you can make the most visually and personality-wise bottomiest bottom boy in existence top the toppiest guy in existence. Azusa topping almost anyone is automatically hilarious lol, kudos to writer for making it work out somehow.

For the more story centric side of things: A lot of the older games would have a token route where the usually-bottom MC tops (often a younger guy). Togainu no Chi, Gakuen Heaven, Laughter Land...other things I can't remember....oh yeah, Omerta also routes where the MC tops and routes where the MC switches. All of the Bokura no Ren'ai Shinrigaku series also have multiple protagonists you freely switch POVs around in and you can pick who tops who. They're pretty impressive game design-wise, though the first one (Birdie) was also a pretty horrifying story. The second and third are tame fluffy games for the most part. You can also pick who tops in Oujisama Lv 1, I think? (Canaan looks like a bottom but he's a sadist at heart.) And uhhhhh Shuugyou Ryokou and Rinkai Gasshuku are games I actually enjoyed a lot that lets you pick whether the MC bottoms or tops, but they had a shoestring budget so sometimes kiss CGs have only have version so it gets hilarious.

For more questionable things I think Pil/Slash's Gakuen Sodom also lets you pick who tops for what it's worth, and their Ore no Shita de Agake game is about being a scum top CEO of the type popular in the 90's (though I vaguely recall hearing that you can choose to bottom in that game too). Of course Kichiku Megane's main point is that you pick playing a soft bottom or a scum top.

I remember it for Togainu no chi. I hated this route so much lol that pairing made no sense to me. Also, we never knew the age of that Rin blonde guy but he was for sure underage (like 15-16?) and had a shota physique... thats the only BLVN game i played where the protag topped one of the love interests, and of course it had to be a shota... at least im glad n+c gave up on the shota routes (but now all their protags are bottom only).

theres so many game names ive never heard of ! i cant add them all to my list because it already grew too much... i have like 20 games listed now. From the ones you talked about here in which the MC isnt always bottom, which ones would you recommend? i already added bara no ki to my list

 

[testeeee]

You have a fantastic memory! Despite playing a number of these they still kinda slipped my mind! In most games I tend to remember my favourite routes most so even in something like togainu no chi which I totally should of remembered my mind just associates it with keisuke or motomi which then further condenses down to akira = bottom

I kinda miss that aspect of older games though, being a bit more adventurous with shoving their protagonists into all positions even if it was often very "token" and predictable to know who was going to lead to your single chance to top for the game

same for me actually, i mostly remember the routes i liked, and from other routes i mostly remember what annoyed me lol. So for me in Togainu theres only the Keisuke route (and the shiki one, not because of romance but because of the shock factor + i actually love the endings for him)
I never like pairings with big differences of age, and for motomi i only remember him wanting to bang akira while at the same time saying he reminded him of his dead son who wouldve been his age....
for Rin i talked about it in my previous message, i was moslty disgusted/annoyed. And for nano well i dont remember a thing except that it was boring as hell and made no sense to me

well LD1 tricked me into thinking gian wouldnt always be bottom with his love interests... i actually believed it almost until the very end haha

 

[Fishish]

we were ROBBED from bottom ivan and giulio. Thats true for top gian, his acting with Llyod really surprised me !! We deserved to see him like that with Ivan and Giulio. And yes Giulio would have 10000% loved that, considering he loves punishments, begging and such. Im not even talking from gooner perspective, just like character/scenario wise it would have made so much sense. And yeah wrestling with Ivan wouldve made sense too, the last H scene with ivan starts like that (not respecting his consent tho unfortunately...) so the writers probably thought about it a little.
For luchino, gian seems to enjoy being bottom too much to try to switch, even saying stuff like it changed his life etc. But also i could picture them trying it out, and luchino would for sure enjoy having gian trying to top him. bernardo and bakshi would probably like that too actually

no worries shingakkou is a game ill play!
ty for other recommendations!

concerning bad egg i think i know where youre at!

Luchino and Bernardo would probably find it at least amusing to let Gian try, luchino is a freak too with half the shit he pulls so honestly he might discover something about himself . I actually think Bakshi would be the least resistant to it apart from Giulio actually, man seems to just love Gian from where I'm at in the story and already puts his ass on the line for Gian daily what difference would his actual ass make at this point! I'm actually surprised Bakshi has yet to kiss Gian 1, in front of all the old bosses and 2, in front of all Gians new subordinates half of which totally want Gian (he's already been calling the bosses "ex boyfriends" and hissing at the subordinates when they take too much of Gians attention, man went from thug to needy!)

I'm at a golf course if that helps you pin point where I'm at in the story, god is this game long! I think I'm at least on the home stretch but it'll probably be a LONG stretch!

same for me actually, i mostly remember the routes i liked, and from other routes i mostly remember what annoyed me lol. So for me in Togainu theres only the Keisuke route (and the shiki one, not because of romance but because of the shock factor + i actually love the endings for him)
I never like pairings with big differences of age, and for motomi i only remember him wanting to bang akira while at the same time saying he reminded him of his dead son who wouldve been his age....
for Rin i talked about it in my previous message, i was moslty disgusted/annoyed. And for nano well i dont remember a thing except that it was boring as hell and made no sense to me

well LD1 tricked me into thinking gian wouldnt always be bottom with his love interests... i actually believed it almost until the very end haha

Old man yaoi routes have actually grown on me over the years! (I say old man but half the time they are in their early fucken 30s and not at all old. I would actually also consider Benardo and "old man" route as well) Those routes usually lead to interesting dynamics in the relationship as the older character treats the other as inexperienced and thus makes decisions affecting the other creating conflicts but they also handle other parts of the relationship better and are more likely to voice and display affection! It's the dissonance of them being the ones most likely to display emotional power dynamics and control while simultaneously being the most attentive to physical and romantic needs which I think is pretty fun in stories!

And yeah everyone has certain "Icks" with some topics or depictions and yaoi usually just gives no fucks and flies in guns blazing with all those topics regardless . Based on your preferences from what you've written here though I would look up some triggers for some games to see if their up your alley or your also more then welcome to message me and I can give you a brief overview of what some of the topics some games might contain if your considering playing them! No game is worth making yourself uncomfortable over in my opinion especially when we usually play them for fun!

 

[ishibashi]

I remember it for Togainu no chi. I hated this route so much lol that pairing made no sense to me. Also, we never knew the age of that Rin blonde guy but he was for sure underage (like 15-16?) and had a shota physique... thats the only BLVN game i played where the protag topped one of the love interests, and of course it had to be a shota... at least im glad n+c gave up on the shota routes (but now all their protags are bottom only).

theres so many game names ive never heard of ! i cant add them all to my list because it already grew too much... i have like 20 games listed now. From the ones you talked about here in which the MC isnt always bottom, which ones would you recommend? i already added bara no ki to my list

I really enjoyed Shuugyou Ryokou and its sidequel Rinkai Gasshuku! The stories are small scale but the focus is on the character interaction, with a quirky likable cast, and depending on whether the MC's been acting toppy or bottomy even the casual interactions can have minor changes. If only the CG budget isn't so low...note though that the "spoilers character" in Shuugyou Ryokou is a shota with terrible voice acting. I actually ignored his route lol, fuck it. It does have separate route branches for whether you're solving the mystery or just enjoying your trip with your man, too.

Omerta has a nice fun story but it's less cohesive than Lucky Dog thanks to being effectively split between 3 factions and they all have varying degrees of attention put into them, which might be YMMV. I also thought the writing was a bit prosaic back then but my JP also sucked at that point so I'm not sure if that was the right impression lol.

If you like slice of life, Cafe Lindbergh and Square na Kankei (part 2 and 3 of the Bokura no Ren'ai Shinrigaku series) are great picks. You can switch POVs around the whole cast as the story moves, which ngl was a very interesting experience. Avoid the 1st one unless you enjoy sexual predators (seriously) stories though.

I love Oujisama Lv 1 because the MC is really *funny* and *articulate* and frankly a sadist despite his cute face, but the tone of the whole game was very......90's BL comedy. So that depends on how much you can tolerate jokes about the sexiness of doe-eyed clearly underaged waif boys (who are pretty much nameless mobbu enemies, mind). The sheer 90's-ness got a bit much for me sometimes and I actually lived through the 90's lol.

 

[testeeee]

I really enjoyed Shuugyou Ryokou and its sidequel Rinkai Gasshuku! The stories are small scale but the focus is on the character interaction, with a quirky likable cast, and depending on whether the MC's been acting toppy or bottomy even the casual interactions can have minor changes. If only the CG budget isn't so low...note though that the "spoilers character" in Shuugyou Ryokou is a shota with terrible voice acting. I actually ignored his route lol, fuck it. It does have separate route branches for whether you're solving the mystery or just enjoying your trip with your man, too.

tysmm! omerta was already on my list
i will add these 2 games to my list. for the rest, ill leave it (for now at least) but if im looking for this kind of game again ill go back to this message !
ill do the same and leave that shota route haha
with other vns i played i did 100% even for routes or characters i didnt like. Now that i have a big list of good games and now that i dont have to limit myself to games fully translated into english, ill for sure be leaving some routes or endings i for sure dont want to play
but also i dont like to see "missing cgs" in the art gallery so i would maybe skip just to get the cgs idk (thats what im currently doing for galtia, apparently i picked the safest route noncon wise but the bad ends are only noncon so im skipping through them)

 

[testeeee]

Luchino and Bernardo would probably find it at least amusing to let Gian try, luchino is a freak too with half the shit he pulls so honestly he might discover something about himself . I actually think Bakshi would be the least resistant to it apart from Giulio actually, man seems to just love Gian from where I'm at in the story and already puts his ass on the line for Gian daily what difference would his actual ass make at this point! I'm actually surprised Bakshi has yet to kiss Gian 1, in front of all the old bosses and 2, in front of all Gians new subordinates half of which totally want Gian (he's already been calling the bosses "ex boyfriends" and hissing at the subordinates when they take too much of Gians attention, man went from thug to needy!)

I'm at a golf course if that helps you pin point where I'm at in the story, god is this game long! I think I'm at least on the home stretch but it'll probably be a LONG stretch!


Old man yaoi routes have actually grown on me over the years! (I say old man but half the time they are in their early fucken 30s and not at all old. I would actually also consider Benardo and "old man" route as well) Those routes usually lead to interesting dynamics in the relationship as the older character treats the other as inexperienced and thus makes decisions affecting the other creating conflicts but they also handle other parts of the relationship better and are more likely to voice and display affection! It's the dissonance of them being the ones most likely to display emotional power dynamics and control while simultaneously being the most attentive to physical and romantic needs which I think is pretty fun in stories!

And yeah everyone has certain "Icks" with some topics or depictions and yaoi usually just gives no fucks and flies in guns blazing with all those topics regardless . Based on your preferences from what you've written here though I would look up some triggers for some games to see if their up your alley or your also more then welcome to message me and I can give you a brief overview of what some of the topics some games might contain if your considering playing them! No game is worth making yourself uncomfortable over in my opinion especially when we usually play them for fun!

Yeah luchino and bernardo would enjoy to let him try, even if they wouldnt bottom. True for luchino, man did get aroused when gian kicked him in the gut haha.
Yeah seeing Bakshi get jealous whenever Gian likes something about another man is so funny.
I can totally picture Bakshi kissing Gian in front of the whole of Daivan!!
Ah yes i remember when Bakshi said that cr:5 were ex boyfriends, he didnt know how accurate that was. Bakshi feeling threatened whenever Gian liked someone elses cooking is a good moment too.
Also, i love how they slap each others butt in front of everyone. I find it funny to picture Gian slapping Bakshis ass especially since Bakshi is wearing some skinny leather jeans ! btw his outfit in Daivan is so much better than his former one, what was that ugly pink jacket?? glad he got rid of that. But man seems to be allergic to t shirts.
I love Bakshi changing from thug to needy, but it happened a little too fast in Rockwell imo. I didnt really see a transition between him being an asshole and him respecting Gian. I mean, there is, but not enough imo. I can believe it a little for Bakshi tho because its the first time man is actually attracted to someone, but Gian went from "im afraid of him and i want to kill him" to "i want to be by his side and i want him to embrace me" without any transition at all. Thats the part which bothers me the most, especially since the game is very long so they couldve made that change more naturally.

for the subordinates, its funny because i dont see them wanting gian as their lover. They really like and respect him tho, which is good to see.
My fav subordinate is Walter because i find him cute, and his voice is cute. The voice actor is the same one as the Galtia protagonist btw.

if youre at the golf course, then you already had a cute bakshi moment after the shooting, right?

i dont mind characters being older like in their 40s, but also i dont likewhen the other person is in their 18-25s because its too much of a power imbalance for me to like. I dont consider bernardo an "old man" and i dont consider his route to be an ossan route because Gian is 25 and bernardo is 31 so he is still a correct age for Gian. Gian has all his love interests being a good age for him haha, only having 3 to 6 years age difference. The only thing that could bother me for bernardo is that he met gian when he was 16-17 but he didnt make a move on him until gian was in his mid twenties.
i mean, i only got to see 2 ossan routes in games i played : Motomi and Bardo from lamento. i prefered Bardo but i dont like the pairing with konoe, and ngl i forgot everything that happened in his route lmao. I actually only remember rais route... i liked asato he was cute but idk why i dont remember his route, its probably the only exception because i usually remember the routes of characters i liked.

no worries for triggers, ive made it through all the bad ends in dmmd reconnect haha. I dont need to like all the tropes or all the routes to enjoy a game, sometimes even liking 1 route or character is enough. Like, i was a togainu no chi fan back then even though i hated all routes and pairings except Akira+Keisuke (and shiki, but because i thought his route was interesting). I loved Akira+Keisuke soooo much that i didnt need another route to like. And even for this route i didnt like everything yk (screwdriver.. and keisuke not really caring about that in their last H-scene)

 

[Fishish]

Yeah luchino and bernardo would enjoy to let him try, even if they wouldnt bottom. True for luchino, man did get aroused when gian kicked him in the gut haha.
Yeah seeing Bakshi get jealous whenever Gian likes something about another man is so funny.
I can totally picture Bakshi kissing Gian in front of the whole of Daivan!!
Ah yes i remember when Bakshi said that cr:5 were ex boyfriends, he didnt know how accurate that was. Bakshi feeling threatened whenever Gian liked someone elses cooking is a good moment too.
Also, i love how they slap each others butt in front of everyone. I find it funny to picture Gian slapping Bakshis ass especially since Bakshi is wearing some skinny leather jeans ! btw his outfit in Daivan is so much better than his former one, what was that ugly pink jacket?? glad he got rid of that. But man seems to be allergic to t shirts.
I love Bakshi changing from thug to needy, but it happened a little too fast in Rockwell imo. I didnt really see a transition between him being an asshole and him respecting Gian. I mean, there is, but not enough imo. I can believe it a little for Bakshi tho because its the first time man is actually attracted to someone, but Gian went from "im afraid of him and i want to kill him" to "i want to be by his side and i want him to embrace me" without any transition at all. Thats the part which bothers me the most, especially since the game is very long so they couldve made that change more naturally.

Man got aroused from many things! It's funny because the most recent Bakshi scene I got kinda reminded me of Luchinos, both contain certain… themes. They both have the horny mixed with sweet!

Man would kiss Gian anywhere and everywhere he just doesn't because Gian would make him sleep on the couch if he did (Gian retains a respectful amount of shame whereas Bakshi has shame in the negatives). The ass slapping has gotten so frequent, Gian actually pulled it on Walter too after the head pat and the poor man was like ???. Don't pull your subordinates into your public displays of affection Gian they are gonna call HR! (I'm amazed that it's so far only happened to Walter actually, it would be funny to see how the other would react aka teshikaga please omg I would pay to witness that, most worthwhile way to loose a hand)

And omg that fucken jacket, who knows where the dude got that shit in the 1930s. His father let him walk out the hose like that, Bakshi shows up to meetings looking like that. He probably wore it because he knew it pissed everyone off.

I don't know if I particularly think their relationship developed fast per say. Like the way I interpreted it was a codependent type of dynamic, not healthy in the beginning since Gian went from basically having all the bosses, to no one, to having only Bakshi, plus if the amulet is the reason for Gians "luck" as they seem to be implying then Bakshi has quite legitimately become the "source" of that luck having swallowed the damn thing! For Bakshi, Gian probably appeared interesting at first, the initial interest was a "so THIS is the next boss?" Slowly developing into a kinda "ha ha he's fun!" And finally to a respect and affection. For Gian it's a slower development for obvious reasons starting out as a forced acquaintance then to a "well who else do I have /what have I got to lose" type of relationship in Rockwell and then finaly to begrudging respect morphing into genuine friendship/ affection in daivan. I do think it would of been better if they showed more of their traveling from Rockwell to Daivan because that's where a lot of the heavy lifting for the relationship dynamics into a more positive one could of been explored!

for the subordinates, its funny because i dont see them wanting gian as their lover. They really like and respect him tho, which is good to see.
My fav subordinate is Walter because i find him cute, and his voice is cute. The voice actor is the same one as the Galtia protagonist btw.

if youre at the golf course, then you already had a cute bakshi moment after the shooting, right?

I totally see Walter and Landolfo as having at least a semi crush on him but I don't think the other two do at all. For both I see it as a kinda puppy love and not overly serious, more so an inflated amount of respect and affection that they don't really display to their other friends or Bakshi who is their kinda second boss.

And yes I did get a few cute moments between the two! I was right in thinking that Bakshi would slowly grow on me (though it might also be because of the length of time I've now had with these 2 losers) and I think their dynamic is only going to get better in the home stretch!

i dont mind characters being older like in their 40s, but also i dont likewhen the other person is in their 18-25s because its too much of a power imbalance for me to like. I dont consider bernardo an "old man" and i dont consider his route to be an ossan route because Gian is 25 and bernardo is 31 so he is still a correct age for Gian. Gian has all his love interests being a good age for him haha, only having 3 to 6 years age difference. The only thing that could bother me for bernardo is that he met gian when he was 16-17 but he didnt make a move on him until gian was in his mid twenties.
i mean, i only got to see 2 ossan routes in games i played : Motomi and Bardo from lamento. i prefered Bardo but i dont like the pairing with konoe, and ngl i forgot everything that happened in his route lmao. I actually only remember rais route... i liked asato he was cute but idk why i dont remember his route, its probably the only exception because i usually remember the routes of characters i liked.

I see Bernardo as a "old man route" less because of his age and more so because of that element of power imbalance that is present with him being the most senior capo who was also originally Gians boss! Like they do have a more friendly relationship than you would normally see in the written age gap dynamics since they don't really have that element as a factor but during his route he does abuse his power to make decisions that affect Gian or purposely keeps Gian out of the loop due to a perceived bias on Gians inexperience (I don't know if this makes any sense but it's my perception at least!) Like in something like togainu no chi, motomis is age was a factor in the dynamic and you'll see the same with Taku if you play slow damage but part of what makes Benardo so interesting to me is that kinda background soft scheming and planing of Gians life which is so prevalent in more by the books old man routes even when the inherent age gap isn't there!

 

[testeeee]

Man got aroused from many things! It's funny because the most recent Bakshi scene I got kinda reminded me of Luchinos, both contain certain… themes. They both have the horny mixed with sweet!

too many LD1 games have that kink for it to be a coincidence yk
btw i just listened to a bad egg cd and in it bakshi says he loves gian so much he could even lend him his ass (gian declines), so you were right

And omg that fucken jacket, who knows where the dude got that shit in the 1930s. His father let him walk out the hose like that, Bakshi shows up to meetings looking like that. He probably wore it because he knew it pissed everyone off.

yes it certainly pissed ME off too! i love pink so much so for me to say a pink jacket is ugly then it really has to be the worst thing to exist. I even prefer aobas outfit because at least its stylish and has cohesion

For Gian it's a slower development for obvious reasons starting out as a forced acquaintance then to a "well who else do I have /what have I got to lose" type of relationship in Rockwell and then finaly to begrudging respect morphing into genuine friendship/ affection in daivan. I do think it would of been better if they showed more of their traveling from Rockwell to Daivan because that's where a lot of the heavy lifting for the relationship dynamics into a more positive one could of been explored!

so kind of stockholm syndrome at first, and then genuine affection and relationship ? could make sense as to why gian decided to follow bakshis moves in rockwell
maybe! but the game is already almost too long so they wouldve needed to cut short some rockwell parts and show the traveling instead

I totally see Walter and Landolfo as having at least a semi crush on him but I don't think the other two do at all. For both I see it as a kinda puppy love and not overly serious, more so an inflated amount of respect and affection that they don't really display to their other friends or Bakshi who is their kinda second boss.

i mean, bakshi is like 1m90-5 and very muscular + very unpredictable, i certainly also wouldnt be too friendly with him so i get them! What all 4 subordinates have in common is that gian kinda saved them so they all respect him and admire him for his skills and for being brave enough to do what they were afraid of doing. I didnt expect to care about the 4 subordinates at the beginning but they grew on me, and it was a pleasant surprise to see them growing more attached to gian and gian/bakshi growing attached to them too

part of what makes Benardo so interesting to me is that kinda background soft scheming and planing of Gians life which is so prevalent in more by the books old man routes even when the inherent age gap isn't there!

man really did plan gians life without even consulting him lmao. Bernardo probably got so depressed in the other capo routes when he realized that gian wont have any biological kids...

 

[Fishish]

too many LD1 games have that kink for it to be a coincidence yk
btw i just listened to a bad egg cd and in it bakshi says he loves gian so much he could even lend him his ass (gian declines), so you were right

Does it appear again in another fandisk!? Who on this team in every meeting was throwing pee into the scenario box, they must be one happy Chappy that they've managed to get their way so many times

AND FUCKEN KNEW IT, Bakshi totally gave off the vibe of just overall Gian sexual so to me it's not a surprise at all that he would pull the "we can switch if ya wanna" And to legit word it as "lending his ass" no wonder Gian declined, you gotta ease the man into it Bakshi, offer nicely!

yes it certainly pissed ME off too! i love pink so much so for me to say a pink jacket is ugly then it really has to be the worst thing to exist. I even prefer aobas outfit because at least its stylish and has cohesion

I can feel the rage emanating. Bakshi has never heard of the words cohesion and style, he would probably rock up in a bin bag to a red carpet event (the bin bag is hot pink for your viewing pleasure)

so kind of stockholm syndrome at first, and then genuine affection and relationship ? could make sense as to why gian decided to follow bakshis moves in rockwell
maybe! but the game is already almost too long so they wouldve needed to cut short some rockwell parts and show the traveling instead

That's how I kinda perceived it! Maybe a bit less Stockholm and more so dependence and lack of personal preservation. Like Gian had no "love" for Bakshi early on at all, rightfully so, but to me he did display elements of an almost "neediness" brought on by his perceived betrayal of the other bosses. Gian is a social butterfly, used to working in groups with an element of inherent trust brought upon by ometa (ometa means family and family always stick together ), that got ripped away from him super suddenly and to me that's why he quickly started to endear himself to others (lily, max and then inevitably Bakshi). Like he was reckless and depressed and fully ready to die and then Bakshi comes along and instead now he's in high stakes, adrenaline pumping scenarios that are almost fun! I fully believe that at first he was probably using Bakshi in order to carry out revenge on CR 5 but then of course that kinda blew up in his face in multiple ways because now he has an attached pet dog man, a group of subordinates at his beck and call, and he also fucken sucks at revenge .

I would love to hear your interpretation if you had a different perception of their relationship progression though! Especially since your opinion differs from mine!

i mean, bakshi is like 1m90-5 and very muscular + very unpredictable, i certainly also wouldnt be too friendly with him so i get them! What all 4 subordinates have in common is that gian kinda saved them so they all respect him and admire him for his skills and for being brave enough to do what they were afraid of doing. I didnt expect to care about the 4 subordinates at the beginning but they grew on me, and it was a pleasant surprise to see them growing more attached to gian and gian/bakshi growing attached to them too

You DONT wanna be besties with the giant man with unpredictable behaviour? Skill issue! (All the subordinates are probably questioning what dumpster Gian found him in ). And yeah I agree! Like with the state of Daivan how it was the group probably saw Gian and were like stars in the eyes, ready to go at the drop of the hat endeared with him! My favourite aspect of the subordinates is how genuine their affection for each other seems to be, lads are fucken feeding each other, going out for brunch, encouraging each other's bullshit, throwing out banter and then the PANIC they displayed the moment Gian was injured!? They are all wonderful and I love this found family .

man really did plan gians life without even consulting him lmao. Bernardo probably got so depressed in the other capo routes when he realized that gian wont have any biological kids...

Alexander legit showed Benardo his son and was like "look after it" and Benardo was already planning a fucken baby shower, like that's not normal sir! Benardo is the most scary of the original group to me but it's all background noise because Giulio is more outwardly yandere. The winner of the "most likely to lock Gian in an attic award" is easily Benardo.

 

[testeeee]

Does it appear again in another fandisk!? Who on this team in every meeting was throwing pee into the scenario box, they must be one happy Chappy that they've managed to get their way so many times

Someone on this thread said its one of the creators (im guessing Yura?)s fav kink and YES its in gian no tame (i think several guys had a cg with gian possibly "wetting himself") and in Secret Diary (can you guess who from the og cast had the pee CG AGAIN??? yep.... although its an alternative universe version of him where he and gian are sailors)
it HAD to be someone high in the hierarchy haha

AND FUCKEN KNEW IT, Bakshi totally gave off the vibe of just overall Gian sexual so to me it's not a surprise at all that he would pull the "we can switch if ya wanna" And to legit word it as "lending his ass" no wonder Gian declined, you gotta ease the man into it Bakshi, offer nicely!

Related to this, Im sorry ill talk about bakshis D but... that shit puzzles me because according to the depictions we have isnt it like the biggest thing known to mankind? I dont even see how it could be pleasurable to have this in your ass (especially with this little preparation)? Sure we are told theres a big pain everytime which is fair enough but... i do pity gian because it has no business being this enormous. I know bakshi is supposed to be some kind of monstruosity so it adds to that but anyway. Anytime there was a description i just couldnt picture it properly, i was just like ???? well ig its porn at the end of the day but still

That's how I kinda perceived it! Maybe a bit less Stockholm and more so dependence and lack of personal preservation. Like Gian had no "love" for Bakshi early on at all, rightfully so, but to me he did display elements of an almost "neediness" brought on by his perceived betrayal of the other bosses. Gian is a social butterfly, used to working in groups with an element of inherent trust brought upon by ometa (ometa means family and family always stick together ), that got ripped away from him super suddenly and to me that's why he quickly started to endear himself to others (lily, max and then inevitably Bakshi). Like he was reckless and depressed and fully ready to die and then Bakshi comes along and instead now he's in high stakes, adrenaline pumping scenarios that are almost fun! I fully believe that at first he was probably using Bakshi in order to carry out revenge on CR 5 but then of course that kinda blew up in his face in multiple ways because now he has an attached pet dog man, a group of subordinates at his beck and call, and he also fucken sucks at revenge .

I would love to hear your interpretation if you had a different perception of their relationship progression though! Especially since your opinion differs from mine!

I mean, i mostly agree with you, you convinced me lol. But Gians attraction to Bakshi still arrived too fast imo considering what he did to him. Had it stopped at the tatoo eating it would have been fine but traumatizing enough (like, gian would still be scared of being near him and being touched by bakshi). Bakshi not locking gian up and gian willingly following his steps in the beginning was too much of a stretch. Gian wanted to kill bakshi more than cr:5 in the beginning (rightfully so...), so him being so obedient doesnt make much sense. Man shoulve followed bakshi to get a chance to kill him only. ALso, in the beginning he believes in cr:5s betrayal too fast. In the tunnel he defended them saying theyd never do that and then he sees prisoner clothing on the ground and goes "i was betrayed"?? Even though he was the one to tell them to go out without him ??? doesnt make sense. Also, him not having much confidence in the capos because he doesnt know them is fine, but Bernardo ? He knows bernardo wouldnt abandon him that fast at least (and he heard bernardo telling him to stick with them to escape together). Later on in Rockwell when theres Dave saying bernardo is probbaly now having sex with his gf (who gian didnt even know the existence) and not caring about gian then the betrayal became more likely to be real in gians mind, but before that not really. And even that would be quite light, since Dave is from GD and has no proof of what he is saying. Gian has been bathing in omerta since his birth so he wouldnt believe in a betrayal of the higher ups in this omerta because of the prisoner clothings in the forest.
But Gian indeed sucks at revenge lol

You DONT wanna be besties with the giant man with unpredictable behaviour? Skill issue! (All the subordinates are probably questioning what dumpster Gian found him in ). And yeah I agree! Like with the state of Daivan how it was the group probably saw Gian and were like stars in the eyes, ready to go at the drop of the hat endeared with him! My favourite aspect of the subordinates is how genuine their affection for each other seems to be, lads are fucken feeding each other, going out for brunch, encouraging each other's bullshit, throwing out banter and then the PANIC they displayed the moment Gian was injured!? They are all wonderful and I love this found family .

Im at least happy for gian since he found new people to rely on and be friends with.
I also like how the subordinates interactions between each other arent always "perfect"? It adds realism. They doubt each other sometimes, and i like the fact that they are men of their time. Ricardo talks about the war in France several times, Teshikaga talks about how he hates communists, Landolfos casual racism towards Teshikaga even though he is friends with him, etc. I dont mean that im "happy" to see it, but it for sure adds realism to the story.
Btw, i think it was quite an interesting choice to make Bakshi the way he is. Man is the only love interest of such a long game, and he is a criminal, serial ra/pist, misogynistic, casually racist, crude person (with pronunciation problems too)(and in the prison he is always rolling in spit, vomit, mud, whatever). On paper he has nothing to be appealing, especially if youre the target audience (a japanese woman). But they managed to make him at least interesting, whether you like his pairing with Gian or not. And his romantic moments are good. I want gian to stay with cr:5 so i dont like this alternative universe, but i prefer the dynamic Gian has with Bakshi rather than with Giulio.

Alexander legit showed Benardo his son and was like "look after it" and Benardo was already planning a fucken baby shower, like that's not normal sir! Benardo is the most scary of the original group to me but it's all background noise because Giulio is more outwardly yandere. The winner of the "most likely to lock Gian in an attic award" is easily Benardo.

I still think Giulio is most likely to lock gian in an attic (and its confirmed in some scenes). But bernardo is indeed second! Tho i do think that depending on who gian ends up with he would be at least a quarter happy? Since Bernardo loves Luchino then he would probably tell himself that at least gian is with a great man and he knows he ll protect gian whatever happens. He is probably the most unhappy in ivans route because he for sure doesnt see him as being suited for gian even if bernardo learns to respect ivan as a person (not only as a capo)
Because lets be real Bernardo 1000% knows gian is in a relationship with one of the capos, even if its only confirmed in Giulios route.

 

[Fishish]

Someone on this thread said its one of the creators (im guessing Yura?)s fav kink and YES its in gian no tame (i think several guys had a cg with gian possibly "wetting himself") and in Secret Diary (can you guess who from the og cast had the pee CG AGAIN??? yep.... although its an alternative universe version of him where he and gian are sailors)
it HAD to be someone high in the hierarchy haha

PFT! See im not phased from anything anymore after reading shit like room no 9 but I am borderline impresed at how many times they added this particular kink to Lucky Dog XD! AND LUCHINO AGAIN!? Man has a hobby and Gian hates it!

Related to this, Im sorry ill talk about bakshis D but... that shit puzzles me because according to the depictions we have isnt it like the biggest thing known to mankind? I dont even see how it could be pleasurable to have this in your ass (especially with this little preparation)? Sure we are told theres a big pain everytime which is fair enough but... i do pity gian because it has no business being this enormous. I know bakshi is supposed to be some kind of monstruosity so it adds to that but anyway. Anytime there was a description i just couldnt picture it properly, i was just like ???? well ig its porn at the end of the day but still

Ill trust Gians judgement since in prison hes probably seen many a D but your discription is sending me, "Biggist thing known to mankind", man is carrying around 3 shotguns fr XD. In my mind he isnt that huge but mainly because it feels silly to imagine anything to monsturous (Reminds me of danmei discriptions, like Binghes "heavenly pillar" XD) but it was funny how the game discribed it. Porn logic is always somewhat funny.

I mean, i mostly agree with you, you convinced me lol. But Gians attraction to Bakshi still arrived too fast imo considering what he did to him. Had it stopped at the tatoo eating it would have been fine but traumatizing enough (like, gian would still be scared of being near him and being touched by bakshi). Bakshi not locking gian up and gian willingly following his steps in the beginning was too much of a stretch. Gian wanted to kill bakshi more than cr:5 in the beginning (rightfully so...), so him being so obedient doesnt make much sense. Man shoulve followed bakshi to get a chance to kill him only. ALso, in the beginning he believes in cr:5s betrayal too fast. In the tunnel he defended them saying theyd never do that and then he sees prisoner clothing on the ground and goes "i was betrayed"?? Even though he was the one to tell them to go out without him ??? doesnt make sense. Also, him not having much confidence in the capos because he doesnt know them is fine, but Bernardo ? He knows bernardo wouldnt abandon him that fast at least (and he heard bernardo telling him to stick with them to escape together). Later on in Rockwell when theres Dave saying bernardo is probbaly now having sex with his gf (who gian didnt even know the existence) and not caring about gian then the betrayal became more likely to be real in gians mind, but before that not really. And even that would be quite light, since Dave is from GD and has no proof of what he is saying. Gian has been bathing in omerta since his birth so he wouldnt believe in a betrayal of the higher ups in this omerta because of the prisoner clothings in the forest.
But Gian indeed sucks at revenge lol

Yeah I also remember being somewhat confused at how quickly Gian actually belived a betrayal had taken place, like I can understand his actions in responce to a perceved betrayal but not how he came to the conclusion of the betrayal itself. I think perhaps because he was already kinda rocky about their promise having not actually recieved the bosses letter in prison and that just led to things adding up but yeah it was a bit of a strech that he would think BENARDO of all people would chuck him away so quickly. I can only psychoanalyse Gian to a point it seems XD. Dude does fucken suck at revenge tho, hes too attached to ever shoot someone he knows. Like even if they did actually betray him I doubt he would of followed through, hes just a bit to sentamental and soft in some ways XD. Thanks for sharing your version! Its always intresting to see how others interpret things and it brought back memories of some of the criticisms I had also!

Im at least happy for gian since he found new people to rely on and be friends with.
I also like how the subordinates interactions between each other arent always "perfect"? It adds realism. They doubt each other sometimes, and i like the fact that they are men of their time. Ricardo talks about the war in France several times, Teshikaga talks about how he hates communists, Landolfos casual racism towards Teshikaga even though he is friends with him, etc. I dont mean that im "happy" to see it, but it for sure adds realism to the story.
Btw, i think it was quite an interesting choice to make Bakshi the way he is. Man is the only love interest of such a long game, and he is a criminal, serial ra/pist, misogynistic, casually racist, crude person (with pronunciation problems too)(and in the prison he is always rolling in spit, vomit, mud, whatever). On paper he has nothing to be appealing, especially if youre the target audience (a japanese woman). But they managed to make him at least interesting, whether you like his pairing with Gian or not. And his romantic moments are good. I want gian to stay with cr:5 so i dont like this alternative universe, but i prefer the dynamic Gian has with Bakshi rather than with Giulio.

Yeah some of them have a "tighter" relationship then others and that feels more realistic to actual friend groups, some of them even follow some friendship stereotypes! (mum friend Teshikaga XD). I prefer when characters have both positve and negative traits and especially for the era they all display some personalities ands opinions that make them fit into the setting!

One thing I love about yaoi is that the audience to me is somewhat the reason why some of these more problamatic characters and stories become so beloved! Like a lot of books and games when I was younger when advertised towards women and girls inherently had softer themes. While I adore some of those stories as I became a more large consumer of these mediums I instead became much more intresed in the things I hadent seen before! And of course that means I now read stories about a lot of on paper horrible people going through horrible things but its also not as black and white. A character who is bad and good simultaniously is more well rounded and to me more enjoyable than one who is always good because then they are predictable. I like to think im a big enough boi where I dont need a story to tell me if something is good or bad, I can read something and know that in real life it would be awful but still find it intresting to think about as part of a narative! Bakshi in real life, an ass! Bakshi when reading the story? FUNNY, hes really amusing and the elements that are what make him an ass are what make him intresing as a character! Hes a pardox of soft and tough, funny but rude, problomatic but progressive and I think he would of been super fun to write!

I still think Giulio is most likely to lock gian in an attic (and its confirmed in some scenes). But bernardo is indeed second! Tho i do think that depending on who gian ends up with he would be at least a quarter happy? Since Bernardo loves Luchino then he would probably tell himself that at least gian is with a great man and he knows he ll protect gian whatever happens. He is probably the most unhappy in ivans route because he for sure doesnt see him as being suited for gian even if bernardo learns to respect ivan as a person (not only as a capo)
Because lets be real Bernardo 1000% knows gian is in a relationship with one of the capos, even if its only confirmed in Giulios route.

Damn I might of been sleeping on Gulio! Gulio is intresting to me because he has a few characteristics I would normally love but im just not a fan of his overall demeanor or his relashionship with Gian XD. Ill have to look out for some of Gulios attic wifeing tendencies though, might make me like him more!

Yeah Benardo would settle for accepting Gian and Luchino but I can just imagine the shovel talk the other two received (honestly Luchino probably got one too XD).

 

[NnnNnnnnoan]

what made you stop playing BLVNs/stop wanting to play BLVNs?

I know i may be hated for that, but I miss the old type fujos so much. Despite having less content, they mostly stayed in their corner, talking about and sharing the niche stuff they like, making arts, translations etc.
When was the last time you saw someone starting a fantl for any bl game/vn? Yeah, there aren't any. Cause a lot of new fujos are insane moralfags that only care about deaming everything they don't like as problematic or any other buzzword. And most of the sane ones are the old-school fujos that still are somewhat active. The recent popularity spike of futa garbage is evidence to that. If you go to the DLsite !BL! section and choose the most popular stuff for the past month - 2 out of three products will be just "guys" with pussy getting fucked (there are even voice dramas with that stuff). Why not just read some average hentai with a man and a woman? Cause they hate seeing women, but still, because they are ones, the just can't help themselves but want to feel involved in the sex scene. And they're going to ruin the bl genre completely sooner or later with that, so, whatever. I just don't want to gaf anymore.
Logging in to aarin and seeing all the threads from 10++ years ago with people actually being chill and civil with each other, and no hidden futa anywhere feels like a fewer dream, and it makes me kinda sad.

nppp at all! which ones did you like then? except LD1, omerta and paradise

I really liked Nie no machi except for some parts. The fan disc was alright, i mainly read it because Izumi Ban'ya was the writer. But only read it with a MTL, cause the official entl is just not it and they also removed the H-scenes completely.
I love pil/slash vns as well for how they write their characters, along with love & destroy ones, or just anything that's written by Kyuuyouzawa and Lychee. I'm really hoping they return soon and make an announcement about CAGE remake or their other TBA project, but i honestly doubt it... I've read every adelta and nitro vn, but i don't like any of them and think they're heavily overrated, but that's just imho. The parade vns are horribly written in terms of exposition and the way they almost always have to explain every little bit of subtext they put in the characters dialogue, but they sure know how to write drama and more realistic characters. I'm even kinda glad they aren't that good at writing, cause their endings still make me cry like a bitch despite me not really caring about the plot or characters, imagine if their writing was great lol.
There are also stuff like hadaka shitsuji, but it's mostly for laughs. Some bara vns are also okay, the Norn's Dine one looks really good. It has Haiki as one of the artists and i love his mangas. But you have to wait for the dlc content to be able to play every character's route, and the eng translation is meh, despite the novel being really well written in jp (imo). So probably just wait for the dlc and MTL it.

 

[ishibashi]

When was the last time you saw someone starting a fantl for any bl game/vn? Yeah, there aren't any.

As someone who might be called an 'old styled fujo' (I set up a translation project for a game way back when, finished the common route but didn't get into character routes but hey, I tried) there was someone asking for help editing Bara no Ki fan translation just a few months back! The thread was on the front page before everyone needed to post to get access to otome downloads.

From the perspective of someone who tried to start that sort of thing, a bigger deterrent to starting a translation project these days are less the moral grandstanding than the hostility started towards fan translations some years ago imo (for either 'fan translating is bad because it hurts the original creators', or because of the 'fan translators are bad at translating you should never trust a fan translation' types). I know some people weren't deterred and it's pretty funny because soon afterwards the fan trans scene for Chinese BL novels blossomed, but I sure was deterred into giving up the hobby lol. And now with the near ENDLESS localization wank I'd also rather just be zen in my corner and read games in Japanese by myself.

The canceling for extreme content sure is a thing, but personally it affects the desire to make new projects more in the way of "I'm going to get way less payback for my efforts because people are afraid of reading questionable things" rather than "oh god the kids are coming to get my ass for this."

I think trends in BL come and go. The c*ntboy fetish is a new thing, but if you'll recall, a lot of the BL trends from the 80's and the 90's are also no longer with us. No longer do we have tragic disaster bottoms or sickly delicate white moonlights (to our detriment for that one cough cough) or supershoulders businessman sadists sidling up to noodly highschoolers with huge eyes whose bedroom vocabulary consists of various versions of iyada. I find it a bit unfortunate that modern trends are either relentless slice of life or relentless wet porn, when we used to have a rich tradition of things (at least, I think the 2005-2015 period was great), but at least to c*ntboys I tell myself: This Too Shall Pass.

Personally speaking I think the kids should find another way to enjoy fiction other than requiring the ability to 1:1 project themselves onto 'relatable' characters but that's just me and my old person shouting at clouds grumblings.

 

[testeeee]

I know i may be hated for that, but I miss the old type fujos so much. Despite having less content, they mostly stayed in their corner, talking about and sharing the niche stuff they like, making arts, translations etc.
When was the last time you saw someone starting a fantl for any bl game/vn? Yeah, there aren't any. Cause a lot of new fujos are insane moralfags that only care about deaming everything they don't like as problematic or any other buzzword. And most of the sane ones are the old-school fujos that still are somewhat active. The recent popularity spike of futa garbage is evidence to that. If you go to the DLsite !BL! section and choose the most popular stuff for the past month - 2 out of three products will be just "guys" with pussy getting fucked (there are even voice dramas with that stuff). Why not just read some average hentai with a man and a woman? Cause they hate seeing women, but still, because they are ones, the just can't help themselves but want to feel involved in the sex scene. And they're going to ruin the bl genre completely sooner or later with that, so, whatever. I just don't want to gaf anymore.
Logging in to aarin and seeing all the threads from 10++ years ago with people actually being chill and civil with each other, and no hidden futa anywhere feels like a fewer dream, and it makes me kinda sad.

im not sure i understood well so correct me if im wrong pls! what bothers you is :
1) the rise of futanari (if thats what "futa" is) which is intersex/women with d? i didnt know about futanari so i typed it in google and whats what i got from it. MLaybe i didnt understand well, but most of the definitions i saw are about biological hermaphrodite/intersex characters with a whole "female" body and genitalia, gendering themselves as female, and with a d too. And you think this is going to replace BL because its easier for the target audience (cis straight women) to insert themselves in the sex scenes ?
2) newer BL fans label a lot of stuff as "problematic" and are being aggressive to other BL fans who enjoy said problematic content ?

I really liked Nie no machi except for some parts. The fan disc was alright, i mainly read it because Izumi Ban'ya was the writer. But only read it with a MTL, cause the official entl is just not it and they also removed the H-scenes completely.
I love pil/slash vns as well for how they write their characters, along with love & destroy ones, or just anything that's written by Kyuuyouzawa and Lychee. I'm really hoping they return soon and make an announcement about CAGE remake or their other TBA project, but i honestly doubt it...

nie no machi is a name ive seen several times here so ive added it to my list of vns i might play
paradise is one game that i would for sure play soonish, ill give my review for sure ! i added cage to my list too, but i will most likely wait for the remake if i ever play it.
for pilslash ive only played pigeon blood (not entirely tho), which i didnt like even if there was some good horror elements. did you play it?

I've read every adelta and nitro vn, but i don't like any of them and think they're heavily overrated, but that's just imho. The parade vns are horribly written in terms of exposition and the way they almost always have to explain every little bit of subtext they put in the characters dialogue, but they sure know how to write drama and more realistic characters. I'm even kinda glad they aren't that good at writing, cause their endings still make me cry like a bitch despite me not really caring about the plot or characters, imagine if their writing was great lol.

for nitro vns, did you also not like lamento and slow damage? because from what ive seen its the nitrochiral ones that people usually agree to say are good. I didnt play slow damage yet so idk for this one, but my general take with n+c games is that its either an interesting story (lamento and ig sweet pool) or a few interesting characters (togainu and dmmd) but never both at the same time
Never played any adelta vn, but ooe and hashihime are on my list, and ooe is a game ill play soonish since ive heard about it a lot.
all parade vns are in my list of games to play, and i know that no thank you is well known because ive known the name for a long time.
for reference the only BLVNs i played are all n+c games (except slow damage) in 2012-13, and pigeon blood too. And now since november ive played LD1 games (all of them), and i started galtia which i wont finish because i dont find it likeable enough (i played senris route, and part of zeeks)

 

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Ill trust Gians judgement since in prison hes probably seen many a D but your discription is sending me, "Biggist thing known to mankind", man is carrying around 3 shotguns fr XD. In my mind he isnt that huge but mainly because it feels silly to imagine anything to monsturous (Reminds me of danmei discriptions, like Binghes "heavenly pillar" XD) but it was funny how the game discribed it. Porn logic is always somewhat funny.

In every h scene there was always the same description : a forearm, a club, a whale harpoon (kudos to this one for the originality), with the t!p being larger than the rest and being the size of a "baseball" which is like 7cm diameter. Yes, i remember it well. Its hard to picture, especially since it doesnt appear in any cg

Yeah I also remember being somewhat confused at how quickly Gian actually belived a betrayal had taken place, like I can understand his actions in responce to a perceved betrayal but not how he came to the conclusion of the betrayal itself. I think perhaps because he was already kinda rocky about their promise having not actually recieved the bosses letter in prison and that just led to things adding up but yeah it was a bit of a strech that he would think BENARDO of all people would chuck him away so quickly.

Rockwell is the part i like the less, especially the beginning of the rockwell arc because its where all the things that didnt make much sense to me happened. Like, how quickly Gian believed in the betrayal and followed bakshi, etc. But really the thing which made the less sense to me is probably gian telling cr:5 to escape without him and then getting mad they actually did it... especially since they told gian to stay with them.

A character who is bad and good simultaniously is more well rounded and to me more enjoyable than one who is always good because then they are predictable. I like to think im a big enough boi where I dont need a story to tell me if something is good or bad, I can read something and know that in real life it would be awful but still find it intresting to think about as part of a narative! Bakshi in real life, an ass! Bakshi when reading the story? FUNNY, hes really amusing and the elements that are what make him an ass are what make him intresing as a character! Hes a pardox of soft and tough, funny but rude, problomatic but progressive and I think he would of been super fun to write!

exactly! i def wouldnt want to meet him in real life but he is a good fictional character.

Damn I might of been sleeping on Gulio! Gulio is intresting to me because he has a few characteristics I would normally love but im just not a fan of his overall demeanor or his relashionship with Gian XD. Ill have to look out for some of Gulios attic wifeing tendencies though, might make me like him more!

what im referring to is Giulios moments in Daivan in Bad egg! you probably didnt see them yet (or not all) so pls lmk once you do! im not a fan of giulio but i liked all his moments in bad egg daivan! he unleashed the full yandere potential.

 

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I think trends in BL come and go. The c*ntboy fetish is a new thing, but if you'll recall, a lot of the BL trends from the 80's and the 90's are also no longer with us.

First off all, i really want to thank you for not calling me slurs for voicing an opinion like that (lol). It was really scary for me to write it all out like that, but i just couldn't hold that frustration in me anymore.
I completely agree with you on the trends part, it's just that i think this specific one doesn't even feat in the genre, which is why I'm so against it. I know it will probably pass, which is why i decided to distance myself from the fujo space for awhile. But still...

I know some people weren't deterred and it's pretty funny because soon afterwards the fan trans scene for Chinese BL novels blossomed, but I sure was deterred into giving up the hobby lol. And now with the near ENDLESS localization wank I'd also rather just be zen in my corner and read games in Japanese by myself.

i just wanted to say that people like you have my utmost respect for what you're doing/have done. As someone that tried translating stuff, i understand just how hard it is. Whenever i read a high quality fantl of something it always amazes me how selfless ppl can be, for sharing something like that with others and not asking for anything in return.

From the perspective of someone who tried to start that sort of thing, a bigger deterrent to starting a translation project these days are less the moral grandstanding than the hostility started towards fan translations some years ago imo (for either 'fan translating is bad because it hurts the original creators', or because of the 'fan translators are bad at translating you should never trust a fan translation' types).

People who say stuff like that are the worst type of pretentious freaks. They would rather read a disgustingly bad, half-assed, but official translation, than acknowledge the really high quality fantl made with love for the og material, with all the references and stuff.

I find it a bit unfortunate that modern trends are either relentless slice of life or relentless wet porn, when we used to have a rich tradition of things (at least, I think the 2005-2015 period was great)

Yes, i feel like bl mangas and manhwas especially became either too similar to each other or too sanitazed. Like, there used to be stuff with actually interesting, bold and original premises, and even mangas with school settings used to be different from one another. Now it's all just fluffy schoolish slice of life stuff with characters apologising for looking at each other in a "non appropriate" way and a what i call "twitter artstyle". And the manhwas? It's all just mafia bullshit, rinse and repeat. I think danmei is way better in that regard, but maybe that will change too.

Personally speaking I think the kids should find another way to enjoy fiction other than requiring the ability to 1:1 project themselves onto 'relatable' characters but that's just me and my old person shouting at clouds grumblings.

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im not sure i understood well so correct me if im wrong pls! what bothers you is :
1) the rise of futanari (if thats what "futa" is) which is intersex/women with d? i didnt know about futanari so i typed it in google and whats what i got from it. MLaybe i didnt understand well, but most of the definitions i saw are about biological hermaphrodite/intersex characters with a whole "female" body and genitalia, gendering themselves as female, and with a d too. And you think this is going to replace BL because its easier for the target audience (cis straight women) to insert themselves in the sex scenes ?

There are two types of futa. Male and female one. Female futa is about dick girls or "girls" with dicks. And the male one is about "boys" but with vagina. I was talking about the male one in BL.
Good for you that you don't know about any of that stuff ahahaha.

2) newer BL fans label a lot of stuff as "problematic" and are being aggressive to other BL fans who enjoy said problematic content ?

You would be surprised but yes. Especially on tiktok or twitter. I would recommend staying away from those places tbh.

nie no machi is a name ive seen several times here so ive added it to my list of vns i might play
paradise is one game that i would for sure play soonish, ill give my review for sure ! i added cage to my list too, but i will most likely wait for the remake if i ever play it.
for pilslash ive only played pigeon blood (not entirely tho), which i didnt like even if there was some good horror elements. did you play it?

Yes i did, but it was reallyyy long time ago. I remember disliking how soft and uwu the mc was, but i liked how other characters were written and especially their interactions with each other (mostly at the beginning). I don't really remember anything else, but i know people really don't like this vn and say the plot is full of holes. But i don't remember hating it, so there's that lol.

for nitro vns, did you also not like lamento and slow damage? because from what ive seen its the nitrochiral ones that people usually agree to say are good. I didnt play slow damage yet so idk for this one, but my general take with n+c games is that its either an interesting story (lamento and ig sweet pool) or a few interesting characters (togainu and dmmd) but never both at the same time
Never played any adelta vn, but ooe and hashihime are on my list, and ooe is a game ill play soonish since ive heard about it a lot.
all parade vns are in my list of games to play, and i know that no thank you is well known because ive known the name for a long time.
for reference the only BLVNs i played are all n+c games (except slow damage) in 2012-13, and pigeon blood too. And now since november ive played LD1 games (all of them), and i started galtia which i wont finish because i dont find it likeable enough (i played senris route, and part of zeeks)

The last vn i played from nitro was slow damage, and i thought it was really funny cause of how extra edgy it tried to be. It felt more like reading a bad fanfic than anything. Also the characters were... something. It's really rare i don't find a single one i like, but here it happened. I love the fact that they chose Ono Yuki to voice the main character, but that's it. The translation was also horrendous, filled with zoomer slang and phrases that weren't in the original (same thing happened to Paradise vn btw with the official translation).
I would recommend you to try parade games for sure, since the translation is alright in all of them, and the only untranslated one is their most recent. Hope you'll find the one you like!

 

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I know i may be hated for that, but I miss the old type fujos so much. Despite having less content, they mostly stayed in their corner, talking about and sharing the niche stuff they like, making arts, translations etc.
When was the last time you saw someone starting a fantl for any bl game/vn? Yeah, there aren't any. Cause a lot of new fujos are insane moralfags that only care about deaming everything they don't like as problematic or any other buzzword. And most of the sane ones are the old-school fujos that still are somewhat active. The recent popularity spike of futa garbage is evidence to that. If you go to the DLsite !BL! section and choose the most popular stuff for the past month - 2 out of three products will be just "guys" with pussy getting fucked (there are even voice dramas with that stuff). Why not just read some average hentai with a man and a woman? Cause they hate seeing women, but still, because they are ones, the just can't help themselves but want to feel involved in the sex scene. And they're going to ruin the bl genre completely sooner or later with that, so, whatever. I just don't want to gaf anymore.
Logging in to aarin and seeing all the threads from 10++ years ago with people actually being chill and civil with each other, and no hidden futa anywhere feels like a fewer dream, and it makes me kinda sad.

I really liked Nie no machi except for some parts. The fan disc was alright, i mainly read it because Izumi Ban'ya was the writer. But only read it with a MTL, cause the official entl is just not it and they also removed the H-scenes completely.
I love pil/slash vns as well for how they write their characters, along with love & destroy ones, or just anything that's written by Kyuuyouzawa and Lychee. I'm really hoping they return soon and make an announcement about CAGE remake or their other TBA project, but i honestly doubt it... I've read every adelta and nitro vn, but i don't like any of them and think they're heavily overrated, but that's just imho. The parade vns are horribly written in terms of exposition and the way they almost always have to explain every little bit of subtext they put in the characters dialogue, but they sure know how to write drama and more realistic characters. I'm even kinda glad they aren't that good at writing, cause their endings still make me cry like a bitch despite me not really caring about the plot or characters, imagine if their writing was great lol.
There are also stuff like hadaka shitsuji, but it's mostly for laughs. Some bara vns are also okay, the Norn's Dine one looks really good. It has Haiki as one of the artists and i love his mangas. But you have to wait for the dlc content to be able to play every character's route, and the eng translation is meh, despite the novel being really well written in jp (imo). So probably just wait for the dlc and MTL it.

fujos nowadays seem to be content with MTL slop, so of course no one is going to bother to start a fantl T.T

 

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fujos nowadays seem to be content with MTL slop, so of course no one is going to bother to start a fantl T.T

back in the early 2010s vns werent accessible unless they had a fan translation from what i remember. There was no official translations, and MTL was very bad. I remember that there was only Visual Novel Reader and that thing was craaaazy hard to understand and still managed to not work 90% of the time. I took hours to try to config VNR back then because i wanted to be able to access VNs other than the very well known ones with fan translations, but seeing how annoying it was i decided it wasnt worth it. I played pigeon blood with 2013 VNR and it was very bad google translate english stuff that didnt make sense half the time. At least i managed to config VNR to read me the japanese sentences that werent voiced in the vn so combined with MTL it kinda worked for me, but still wasnt worth it.
Now theres way better MTL so its great. Easy to config, and works well. If theres a fan translation then its obviously way better but since now people dont need to relay on a full translation made by someone to discover great games, then fans felt less the need to make their own translations of games to share it with others for them to discover the game. + a lot of well known titles are localized now. These 3 factors play a biiig role as to why fantranslations became less rewarding compared to the hours of investment you have to give for free most of the time