Unpopular otome opinions, drop them here!

[ninnikuryona]

As I mentioned earlier, Warm Bath is the circle that participated in supervising the GRMN one that contains BL content work, When people asked her to come forward and explain, she waited several days before finally making a statement, And her fans are on X saying she did nothing wrong, claiming that it's always been the Chinese people slandering and defaming her .

wait so she was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in that shitty audio production???? holy shit ill block her asap i somehow totally missed this info.. thank you for letting me know what the fuck......

 

[orionsbestie]

list of circles

a useful list to know which circles to avoid, thanks for ur service ah.

I'm not into femdom at all, but I-- I can't be the only one to find highkey homophobic the idea that submissive men can't possibly be straight? What are these writers even implying T.T

And I'mma add my unpopular opinion related to this rn, but not only are the writers who include BL contents or insinuations in otome very sus and annoying for trying to dilute the genre, they're also likely to come off as homophobic IMO. Case in point: Hugo in Virche Evermore.

Out of all the possible ways to handle the love of a man for another man. Out of all the possible roles to give the ONE gay character in the whole game. They made him an asshole to the heroine, which is a proxy for US, the female player, the target audience, a heroine written to hate herself, meekly made to go "Oh, HE is the one suited for Yves!" in a humiliating position just before making him kill us. And that's just the beginning of my gripes with how they handled this character. The one and only gay character in the whole fucking game, given the same narrative role as Jean and Capucine and their obsessions/"distorted" love, to make him the token tragic side-character feelings footnote of Yves' route, as if whatever the fuck Jean and FUCKING CAPUCINE had going on is somehow equiparable to a man having feelings for another man. And of course, to top it all off, they kill off Hugo practically off-screen. Because it absolutely made sense to establish the character to be specifically gay and then kill him in the same route.

Anyway that's personally the problem *I* have with Virche's writing. What an odd set of choices.

 

[Yuki3548]

wait so she was DIRECTLY INVOLVED in that shitty audio production???? holy shit ill block her asap i somehow totally missed this info.. thank you for letting me know what the fuck......

Yes, her fans keep saying she was just the supervisor, and that she was really sad about how her work was changed, But she didn't stop it from happening, did she? And besides, she even reposted the scriptwriter's statement back then.

 

[orionsbestie]

which was drawn by a prominent porn artist....... so many funny coincidences happened that day huh!

just like tm3033 said, its probably an attempt to squeeze some money out of male audience as well. which is kinda disgusting because men tend to act extremely entitled once you give them a single shred of content, which is why tweets about how there should be more danseimuke content in joseimuke media and how joseimuke media doesnt have enough blowjobs are getting 30k+ likes

Literally too T.T That one scene with the swimsuits in bustafellows was so weird to see, I always assumed it was because of the artist.

Uggh why won't those men leave otome and joseimuke aloooneeee. It's just a couple of genres, leave us alooooneee *kicks and screams*

 

[blackflag]

Virche is good but its overrated and people need more depth to their otome library than just Virche, Amnesia, Code Realize and collar malice.

You're unoriginal if thats all you play and talk about

/dropmic.

 

[ninnikuryona]

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i agree 1000000% with everything youve said. implying that submissive men who also like anal play are either bisexual or outright gay is just so wrong, but also funny at the same time because like. men have prostate. by nature. what the fuck are they supposed to do then. if a man accidentally stimulates it (whatever accident it might be in) for the first time in his life and feels pleasure from it, if he was totally completely undeniably 101% straight before, does it suddenly turn him into a mankisser? genuinely HOW does that even make sense. this is a massive problem on twitter as well, because non-otome-players cry all the time about how much they want to see a badass femme fatale dominatrix mc who fucks all her men in the ass, but the moment theres a tiny pegging joke they immediately cast said mc aside and claim the character as gay? i dont know if it makes me sound homophobic (im bisexual and i mostly prefer girls), but holy shit people should get their brains checked..!

and i agree about your virche rant. somehow, it happens way too often. a character of a certain variety gets introduced, his arc gets MILKED DRY to hell and back, and then he just goes away. what a beautiful representation wow!
(im also never gonna forgive them for not just using a li for this but the literal poster boy too. i feel like no one wouldve batted an eye if it was two side characters. many wouldve applauded you. WHY in the world had a LOVE INTEREST to be involved. or whatever you construct this question im sorry im esl and im tired)

im just never trusting this writer ever again.. dramatic ass w

 

[ninnikuryona]

Virche is good but its overrated and people need more depth to their otome library than just Virche, Amnesia, Code Realize and collar malice.

You're unoriginal if thats all you play and talk about

/dropmic.

people should just read some more utsuge, even outside of the otome genre. there are plenty of tearjerkers around

 

[orionsbestie]

people need more depth to their otome library than just Virche, Amnesia, Code Realize and collar malice.

SAY IT LOUDEEEEEEEER BRING OUT THE TAKUYO GAMES (<- has started playing exactly one (1) takuyo game)

 

[orionsbestie]

Additional unpopular opinion: mainstream LADS players mostly don't really understand the genre and that's ok, for many it is their first otome experience and if it begins and ends with LADS that's okay. However, it's annoying to no end how they played that one game and suddenly claim to know it all about how otome games work and are supposed to be. It's also annoying when they've played only that game and maybe MAYBE watched the anime adaptation of another game and then claim to know all about the genre off their shallow first impressions.

Also: eyeless/faceless heroines were never distracting or ugly and game devs should've kept an option to turn them on and off because the games are expensive as fuck and that's a super tiny feature that would require just a little bit more pay to the art team, pay that I can't even be sure they're actually getting fairly considering how most industries work.

 

[blackflag]

Additional unpopular opinion: LADS players mostly don't really understand the genre and that's ok, for many it is their first otome experience and if it begins and ends with LADS that's okay. However, it's annoying to no end how they played that one game and suddenly claim to know it all about how otome games work and are supposed to be. It's also annoying when they've played only that game and maybe MAYBE watched the anime adaptation of another game and then claim to know all about the genre off their shallow first impressions.

Also: eyeless/faceless heroines were never distracting or ugly and game devs should've kept an option to turn them on and off because the games are expensive as fuck and that's a super tiny feature that would require just a little bit more pay to the art team, pay that I can't even be sure they're actually getting fairly considering how most industries work.

As a lads player i'm a bit offended. I have a massive depth of understanding to the genre. ;-;

 

[orionsbestie]

As a lads player i'm a bit offended. I have a massive depth of understanding to the genre. ;-;

oh yea it's not all lads players, mostly the mainstream ones HAHA sorry :( I'm a player too actually LMAO but I just watched a lads player "analysis" on the otome genre based on LADS and... Diabolik Lovers... and it pissed me off to no end how they kept glossing over a lot of stuff ToT

 

[Yuki3548]

Additional unpopular opinion: mainstream LADS players mostly don't really understand the genre and that's ok, for many it is their first otome experience and if it begins and ends with LADS that's okay. However, it's annoying to no end how they played that one game and suddenly claim to know it all about how otome games work and are supposed to be. It's also annoying when they've played only that game and maybe MAYBE watched the anime adaptation of another game and then claim to know all about the genre off their shallow first impressions.

Also: eyeless/faceless heroines were never distracting or ugly and game devs should've kept an option to turn them on and off because the games are expensive as fuck and that's a super tiny feature that would require just a little bit more pay to the art team, pay that I can't even be sure they're actually getting fairly considering how most industries work.

The majority of players of all Chinese mobile otome games are like this. They say they can't stand the storylines in Japanese otome games (even though most of them have only played a few older titles like The Queen Bee's Royal Chamber, Butterfly's Poison; Blood Chains etc, and then act like that represents all Japanese otome games). They also criticize Japanese otome heroines for having their own personalities, saying that heroines shouldn't have souls of their own, that they should just be self-insert skins for the player.

 

[orionsbestie]

They also criticize Japanese otome heroines for having their own personalities, saying that heroines shouldn't have souls of their own, that they should just be self-insert skins for the player.

Ohh that's high key annoying too! I feel like... Some people just don't understand?? That even as self-insert, we need settings to make the story work? T.T the heroines are our proxy with which we enter the world and their setting becomes ours when we play... The one that helps us see the best sides of the LIs according to the writers... It's really not that complicated imo. Even the blankest of slates has a setting even if the setting is being an office lady. Suddenly all the players who have never stepped in an office job can't self-insert into that role according to the same logic!

 

[Doglo]

Some people might get mad here but my opinion is as follows: I find it VEEERY weird when otome companies create LIs that resemble small women/boys as love interests - but even weirder when people like them. Because...what's going on here...

*cough cough* Himuka from olympia soiree. I love the game itself but why would you like someone who literally resembles a child but is "hundreds of years old" to justify the fact that they look like a child. Someone call chris hansen

 

[Doglo]

Virche is good but its overrated and people need more depth to their otome library than just Virche, Amnesia, Code Realize and collar malice.

You're unoriginal if thats all you play and talk about

/dropmic.

Im not gonna lie it to me it shows their age in a way? Or if they're a recent/new fan - I grew up playing otome since I was 14 so I just had to go with good ol rebirthday song, ozmafia, ayakashi Gohan, Dandelion, Amnesia, etc before big productions came to be in 2017~

Also virche was an absolute abomination to the otome genre pls - no plot development just straight up gore and manslaughter

Although Ankou is hot

 

[Doglo]

are opinions about the genre itself allowed? if so,

voiced heroines. everyone loves them, everyone wants them, and i am no exception! BUT. i see exactly zero reason to have a voiced mc in r18 otome (which, to my dismay, tend to be the majority of them. r18 otome titles have more voiced heroines than all-ages ones. this is my purgatory). come at me, but i just cant imagine it being done for any reason other than trying to attract a male audience, which just goes against the entire genre. shouldnt otome games be appealing to women first and foremost? why would there be stuff for men? and honestly, every time i check a man's vndb page, the only otome games played i see are exactly that, r18 titles. speficially fxxk me royally and fashioning little miss lonesome, both of which are written/drawn by men WWWW

this is another point, and please dont shoot me for this (or feel free to, since this is the entire point of the thread), but i see no reason to hire men to produce otome. like, soundtrack and coding are okay, but scenario or art? big no for me. we already have examples with aforementioned fmr or flml, but there are (were, since they stopped producing otome games thank god) also succulent titles, which somehow combine both voiced heroines AND male artists. why. why. why is this accepted. why
(i know women love their erotica too, and i often see praise towards heroines body in smut manga aimed at women, but is it because women actually love seeing mcs sexualized, or is it because there is literally no other choice on the market?)

This is really interesting! I personally haven't played R18 otomes (except men of Yoshiwara) but voiced MCs im okay with typically in otomes, mainly because I dont self insert and view it as a third person romance- I think they should be able to be muted like LIs tho... I also wouldn't want them moaning in my ear (respectfully) when most games as you mentioned force the women somehow...like that's just...

But YES to your point about women only writing otomes - because they absolutely COOK in these storylines, you can see a woman's imagination come to life in world building games like Olympia Soiree where they literally created an entire caste system that's actively scrutinized in a way so deep... or even in Rebirthday song...

I also say this with peace and love, women typically write many plot lines with a pure, sincere mindset (not as horny as men tbh) and it makes these scenes touch our hearts so deeply and connect with us in a way a woman would know how to. Men write deep plot lines, yes, but otome's sincere/gentle plot lines are made for an audience that seeks a story beyond just horniness/sex appeal... maybe if a man adds some perspective it could be fine, but he shouldn't lead something thats made for women by women.

 

[Foxgloves]

Im not gonna lie it to me it shows their age in a way? Or if they're a recent/new fan - I grew up playing otome since I was 14 so I just had to go with good ol rebirthday song, ozmafia, ayakashi Gohan, Dandelion, Amnesia, etc before big productions came to be in 2017~

Also virche was an absolute abomination to the otome genre pls - no plot development just straight up gore and manslaughter

Although Ankou is hot

I definitely feel like there's some divide between the recent Switch-only players and players who read all kinds of stuff. God, it's been so long since I've seen Dandelion mentioned!

 

[Doglo]

I definitely feel like there's some divide between the recent Switch-only players and players who read all kinds of stuff. God, it's been so long since I've seen Dandelion mentioned!

BACK IN MY DAYS WE HAD INTERACTIVE OTOME GAMES BRING THEM BACK!

Im glad to see someone who grew up with the same niche interests!

 

[Lynettee]

Although I like Amnesia and have a deep affection for it because it's one of the otome games I started with, it's very overrated. I really don't understand when someone starts playing otome games and recommends Amnesia. By 2026, we have better otome games than just Amnesia.

Another opinion, since they took Virche's approach, is that its tragic model got out of hand. There are endings that turned out tragic in a simply stupid way, and they're tragic because it was Virche, and there are no happy endings.

Another unpopular opinion was one my friends and I had while playing Black Wolves Saga: torture scenes that seem to cater to unnecessarily long, uncomfortable fetishes, so much so that they seemed intentionally designed to appeal to a certain type of audience.

 

[ninnikuryona]

This is really interesting! I personally haven't played R18 otomes (except men of Yoshiwara) but voiced MCs im okay with typically in otomes, mainly because I dont self insert and view it as a third person romance- I think they should be able to be muted like LIs tho... I also wouldn't want them moaning in my ear (respectfully) when most games as you mentioned force the women somehow...like that's just...

as i stated im not against r18 overall, i mean i read nukige (literally games designed for masturbating and nothing else) frequently and theyre majorly made for the male audience, so naturally all women are voiced there LOL anyway, i just dont understand why, specifically, this is so prominent in a genre that not only is heavily reliant on selfinsert (i mean theres a reason why most otome mcs are unvoiced), but is also specifically created for women. i know women are way more open-minded on a lot of topics, including male-targeted erotica (i already complained about numerous r18 otome outright stating that there are danseimuke/male-oriented r18 cgs and im like, why) and sexualized women and whatnot, and im not calling it "malegaze" or "femgaze" or something, because "malegaze" and "femgaze" are two completely different entities that are not related to each other at all, but uhhhhhhhhh. i guess i just have a slightly different mindset i guess i guess. but if all porn follows the exact same structure, then whats even the point of separating them to 男性向け and 乙女向け?

also, if you are fine with women moaning in otome, i linked tons of otome producers whose games have voiced heroines here, so read away!!

I also say this with peace and love, women typically write many plot lines with a pure, sincere mindset (not as horny as men tbh) and it makes these scenes touch our hearts so deeply and connect with us in a way a woman would know how to. Men write deep plot lines, yes, but otome's sincere/gentle plot lines are made for an audience that seeks a story beyond just horniness/sex appeal... maybe if a man adds some perspective it could be fine, but he shouldn't lead something thats made for women by women.

yup, totally agree! no matter what anyone says, women and men ARE different in their mindsets, so naturally their writing styles WILL differ. i just dont trust men to actually WRITE a good, female-leaning story, as in the story and not just a collection of cheap naked body fanservice. i love fanservice and i used to be a lads player dont get me wrong, but still, you know! i love it even better when my softcore porn has actual substance!

 

[ninnikuryona]

Another unpopular opinion was one my friends and I had while playing Black Wolves Saga: torture scenes that seem to cater to unnecessarily long, uncomfortable fetishes, so much so that they seemed intentionally designed to appeal to a certain type of audience.

i mean, thats how dialovers became so popular in the first place! theres always an audience for anything under the sun ww. i wonder if we are gonna get titles as dark as these in the future though.. cuz i cant really remember any modern "gorey" titles.. hmm

 

[Doglo]

as i stated im not against r18 overall, i mean i read nukige (literally games designed for masturbating and nothing else) frequently and theyre majorly made for the male audience, so naturally all women are voiced there LOL anyway, i just dont understand why, specifically, this is so prominent in a genre that not only is heavily reliant on selfinsert (i mean theres a reason why most otome mcs are unvoiced), but is also specifically created for women. i know women are way more open-minded on a lot of topics, including male-targeted erotica (i already complained about numerous r18 otome outright stating that there are danseimuke/male-oriented r18 cgs and im like, why) and sexualized women and whatnot, and im not calling it "malegaze" or "femgaze" or something, because "malegaze" and "femgaze" are two completely different entities that are not related to each other at all, but uhhhhhhhhh. i guess i just have a slightly different mindset i guess i guess. but if all porn follows the exact same structure, then whats even the point of separating them to 男性向け and 乙女向け?

also, if you are fine with women moaning in otome, i linked tons of otome producers whose games have voiced heroines here, so read away!!

yup, totally agree! no matter what anyone says, women and men ARE different in their mindsets, so naturally their writing styles WILL differ. i just dont trust men to actually WRITE a good, female-leaning story, as in the story and not just a collection of cheap naked body fanservice. i love fanservice and i used to be a lads player dont get me wrong, but still, you know! i love it even better when my softcore porn has actual substance!

Im not gonna lie to you I dont enjoy women moaning into my ear so id prob just mute them for those productions like you do

love fanservice and i used to be a lads player dont get me wrong, but still, you know! i love it even better when my softcore porn has actual substance!

LITERALLY! THE SUBSTANCE IS THE BREAD AND BUTTER: to me any good otome romance requires tons of context, buildup, and just sincere, sincere heartfelt care and love into the male leads that women write so sincerely. I'm not saying men cant do it, but I guess it's like a 5% chance out of 95% that thr guy working on this otome game is a literature fan, poet, or is into romanticism to an extent that can replicate a woman's mindset towards love. Like the vetting gotta be REAL GOOD.

You're also right to have this mindset since literally men write women in a very depraved way lots of times, so how would I trust them to create what a woman wants if he cant even *see* how a woman is like realistically

 

[ninnikuryona]

Im not gonna lie to you I dont enjoy women moaning into my ear so id prob just mute them for those productions like you do

FUCK im very sorry im a little sleepy so i misread your comment as you not minding female moans LMAO okay then uhhh then treat that comment as a warning then?????? cries??????

You're also right to have this mindset since literally men write women in a very depraved way lots of times, so how would I trust them to create what a woman wants if he cant even *see* how a woman is like realistically

so true so true! its even the same for manga, because ill admit i loved my dressup darling because not only marin is a huge cutie, but also gojo is pretty cool too?? like hes literally a dream man for every cosplayer girl out there, and even though hes a little shy/reserved, hes not like, an OUTRIGHT loser! he can even be cute in some shots!! (that scene earlier in the manga where he overworked himself almost to death because he misunderstood marin and thought he only had two weeks to finish a costume showed him in a very hot state both physically and mentally im sorry im a degenerate) maybe im just biased because i already know this manga is written by a woman, but still! i dont believe a man would be able to flesh out these characters in this kinda way. i dont blame them of course because its common to just sell you a new pretty shiny waifu in a game/anime/manga and be done with it, but if said waifu actually has some character and personality and depth aside from being an otaku-friendly gyaru, this is so much more impactful......

damn my comment is like completely offtopic whoopppssps

 

[Doglo]

FUCK im very sorry im a little sleepy so i misread your comment as you not minding female moans LMAO okay then uhhh then treat that comment as a warning then?????? cries??????

so true so true! its even the same for manga, because ill admit i loved my dressup darling because not only marin is a huge cutie, but also gojo is pretty cool too?? like hes literally a dream man for every cosplayer girl out there, and even though hes a little shy/reserved, hes not like, an OUTRIGHT loser! he can even be cute in some shots!! (that scene earlier in the manga where he overworked himself almost to death because he misunderstood marin and thought he only had two weeks to finish a costume showed him in a very hot state both physically and mentally im sorry im a degenerate) maybe im just biased because i already know this manga is written by a woman, but still! i dont believe a man would be able to flesh out these characters in this kinda way. i dont blame them of course because its common to just sell you a new pretty shiny waifu in a game/anime/manga and be done with it, but if said waifu actually has some character and personality and depth aside from being an otaku-friendly gyaru, this is so much more impactful......

damn my comment is like completely offtopic whoopppssps

SPEAK YOUR TRUTH!!!

Its not off topic at ALLL this is a whole manga rec - thank you because ive been running dry on shoujo!!

 

[ninnikuryona]

Its not off topic at ALLL this is a whole manga rec - thank you because ive been running dry on shoujo!!

this is not shoujo unfortunately WW IM SORRY its seinen with quite a bit of ecchi.. but if you look past that its like, genuinely good........ but if not i totally understand..............