I'm looking for people to talk about the LuckyDog1 series (r18 bl)

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I'll be sure to report back after I finish each route. I'm looking forward to getting to Luchino. I'm a little bummed that I haven't seen much of him yet in the other routes, but thats to be expected I guess. I always feel like I pick a fav and then learn that he's the least popular of the bunch. <---one of like five Bardo fans in the world

This write up is perfect, thank you!!!! All the details of game play, voice acting, types of scenes, oocness, you're my hero! I'm going to be pulling this up a bunch once I finish LD1. I had no clue where I was going to go once I finished tbh. This has saved me so much searching and guesswork.

I didn't know that Bad Egg was a alternate universe. I just assumed it was extended endings. But to hear there's a different story and LI, I'm intrigued. I'll definitely be playing that and Secret Diary. It's pretty wild to see this much bonus content for BL. What I wouldn't give for other games to have half this much extra... But it's nice to see that I can dig myself even deeper into the LD pit lol.

According to character polls ive seen, the most popular LI from the og game is Giulio and he is my least fav by a large margin. I understand his appeal but i was very disappointed in him as a LI, even though i like him in the common route and in the other LI routes. Otherwise, the most popular LI overall is the Bad egg LI. Following Giulio, i thought the other most popular was Ivan but in a character poll i randomly found it was Bernardo. So, that would make Luchino last anyway. But also almost everyone who commented on this thread said their fav (or second fav) was Luchino so who knows, maybe he is actually very popular but his fans arent the ones voting in character polls haha. He may also be Yura (the creator)s fav LI.
Oh and another thing i like about LUchino is that in other LIs routes he has some cute scenes with Gian too haha

I played Lamento 13 years ago and Bardo was my least fav indeed, but i dont like older guys as LIs for 18-25yo protagonists so that was maybe the only reason. I have no other memory of his character besides that

Haha np, im assuming it might help other people out here too! Im putting my LD1 knowledge for use.
For oocness i forgot to say it but Mr.Giancarlo the boss also has plenty oocness, but its to be expected since its mostly fanserv stories and its not even the same writers as before

I personnaly did Bad egg after LD1 because my translator wasnt able to translate secret diary, so i gave up on it. But then i managed to make it work so i did Secret diary after bad egg. It didnt cause any problem to do it in this order, but i would recommend to go through secret diary first and then Bad egg! Btw if only specific kinds of short stories interest you you can tell me which ones and i can say which stories fit that description (same if other people are interested btw!!!).

Concerning Bad egg, its basically (to not spoil) : what would happen if Gian was less lucky and the escape didnt go as planned ?

Yeah haha LD1 has sooo many spin off. But ig it makes sense since its the companys gold maker. Also, most of the games were released before Bad egg and Bad egg was delayed SO MUCH, i think they made a lot of mini games to keep the fans interested and to not lose the hype. LD1 is from 2009 and Bad egg was supposed to follow soon after (i think i understood it was supposed to be released somewhere in 2010-2013) but one of the writers got family problems and the game was in development hell so Bad egg only released in... 2018. You had to feed those hungry fan for 9 years yk?

 

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According to character polls ive seen, the most popular LI from the og game is Giulio and he is my least fav by a large margin. I understand his appeal but i was very disappointed in him as a LI, even though i like him in the common route and in the other LI routes. Otherwise, the most popular LI overall is the Bad egg LI. Following Giulio, i thought the other most popular was Ivan but in a character poll i randomly found it was Bernardo. So, that would make Luchino last anyway. But also almost everyone who commented on this thread said their fav (or second fav) was Luchino so who knows, maybe he is actually very popular but his fans arent the ones voting in character polls haha. He may also be Yura (the creator)s fav LI.
Oh and another thing i like about LUchino is that in other LIs routes he has some cute scenes with Gian too haha

I played Lamento 13 years ago and Bardo was my least fav indeed, but i dont like older guys as LIs for 18-25yo protagonists so that was maybe the only reason. I have no other memory of his character besides that

Haha np, im assuming it might help other people out here too! Im putting my LD1 knowledge for use.
For oocness i forgot to say it but Mr.Giancarlo the boss also has plenty oocness, but its to be expected since its mostly fanserv stories and its not even the same writers as before

I personnaly did Bad egg after LD1 because my translator wasnt able to translate secret diary, so i gave up on it. But then i managed to make it work so i did Secret diary after bad egg. It didnt cause any problem to do it in this order, but i would recommend to go through secret diary first and then Bad egg! Btw if only specific kinds of short stories interest you you can tell me which ones and i can say which stories fit that description (same if other people are interested btw!!!).

Concerning Bad egg, its basically (to not spoil) : what would happen if Gian was less lucky and the escape didnt go as planned ?

Yeah haha LD1 has sooo many spin off. But ig it makes sense since its the companys gold maker. Also, most of the games were released before Bad egg and Bad egg was delayed SO MUCH, i think they made a lot of mini games to keep the fans interested and to not lose the hype. LD1 is from 2009 and Bad egg was supposed to follow soon after (i think i understood it was supposed to be released somewhere in 2010-2013) but one of the writers got family problems and the game was in development hell so Bad egg only released in... 2018. You had to feed those hungry fan for 9 years yk?

I've also seen a lot of love for Giulio, I'm liking him well enough when he shows up but Im not sure he'll be one of my favs when I get on his route. Just a vibes guess tbh. Did Yura mention in an interview or something Luchino was her fav or does it come across in the writing? I havent really heard about many creators outright saying their fav. But I guess I also don't check in with a lot of creators.

Oh dang, that means you played it through before the fan patch was even made! The patch is pretty good if you ever get the desire to replay. I could write a whole novel on Lamento and Bardo lol, actually I ended up reminded of his route while I went through Bernardo's. Specifically that they both seem to be characters that are caught up in their past and have a hard time moving forward. Bardo chooses to live a more carefree, ambivilant life because he cant change his past mistakes and is waiting to die. Bernardo is just as caught up in his past, but is also looking to and planning for the future. He can't have both though and it kind of puts him in a deadlock until Gian shakes him out of it.

I was able to finish all of Bernardo's endings last night and

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honestly I'm not too sure what I think of him afterwards. Sorry in advance, this might be a bit rambly. I guess my biggest hangup was everything with Nastasha. I had a bit of a hard time getting behind the romance between Gian and Bernardo after she was introduced. Like Bernardo, you've got a girlfriend? What are you doing with Gian? And like I get that, like I said earlier, he's trying to hold on to a past that can never come back while reaching out for a new future with someone else, but I do prefer my LI's to be romantically involved with one person at a time. I also really hated how the climax and good ending of the route is a result of Bernardo letting Nastasha be assaulted. It was a stark reminder that he is mafia and he'll do what it takes to protect the family. Ivan wouldn't have let that happen... But I do think Ivan is someone with the youth to still hold on to his ideals and while Bernardo has become jaded as he's aged in the family. I dunno, the Nastasha plot really shifted my view of Bernardo and his route. What did you think about it/him? I think fundamentally I might have liked the idea of Bernardo more than what I actaully got on his route. I think I'll need some time to unpack it.

This series really is like only thing Tennenouji's done, but I dont blame em. It brings in the bucks. But a 5-8 year delay is diabolical. Without those extra's people might have wholey given up on Bad Egg. Life happens though, family issues and development hell are hard pair of setback to come back from.

 

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I've also seen a lot of love for Giulio, I'm liking him well enough when he shows up but Im not sure he'll be one of my favs when I get on his route. Just a vibes guess tbh. Did Yura mention in an interview or something Luchino was her fav or does it come across in the writing? I havent really heard about many creators outright saying their fav. But I guess I also don't check in with a lot of creators.

She didnt say it outright. But he is the LI that has her fav kink and she did say that her fav scene in the whole game was one of Luchinos. So nothing is sure ofc but if i had to place my bets on one LI it would be him

Oh dang, that means you played it through before the fan patch was even made! The patch is pretty good if you ever get the desire to replay. I could write a whole novel on Lamento and Bardo lol, actually I ended up reminded of his route while I went through Bernardo's. Specifically that they both seem to be characters that are caught up in their past and have a hard time moving forward. Bardo chooses to live a more carefree, ambivilant life because he cant change his past mistakes and is waiting to die. Bernardo is just as caught up in his past, but is also looking to and planning for the future. He can't have both though and it kind of puts him in a deadlock until Gian shakes him out of it.

To be precise, the fan translation was made but was in a word document, and only the early part of the common route was patched (up until konoe arrives in Ransen). So i played my game with the word document next to it. I remember scrolling down the document to spoil myself the cgs haha so i lost some surprise
I did replay it very recently because i had nostalgia!! I wanted to redo Rais route, which i did. I had good memories of his route, but no memory of Asato and Bardo even though i liked Asato. I did replay some part of Asatos route afterwards but got bored. Sorry Bardo...

I was able to finish all of Bernardo's endings last night and

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honestly I'm not too sure what I think of him afterwards. Sorry in advance, this might be a bit rambly. I guess my biggest hangup was everything with Nastasha. I had a bit of a hard time getting behind the romance between Gian and Bernardo after she was introduced. Like Bernardo, you've got a girlfriend? What are you doing with Gian? And like I get that, like I said earlier, he's trying to hold on to a past that can never come back while reaching out for a new future with someone else, but I do prefer my LI's to be romantically involved with one person at a time. I also really hated how the climax and good ending of the route is a result of Bernardo letting Nastasha be assaulted. It was a stark reminder that he is mafia and he'll do what it takes to protect the family. Ivan wouldn't have let that happen... But I do think Ivan is someone with the youth to still hold on to his ideals and while Bernardo has become jaded as he's aged in the family. I dunno, the Nastasha plot really shifted my view of Bernardo and his route. What did you think about it/him? I think fundamentally I might have liked the idea of Bernardo more than what I actaully got on his route. I think I'll need some time to unpack it.

I really liked Bernardos route, especially scenario wise ! I think its one of the most interesting ones and it was a pleasant surprise to hear Bernardo and Gian talk about the historical context they are in. Bernardo also has very cute moments with Gian and his best end makes me emotional. I did Bernardo last because i didnt like his chara design and i was interested in him the least (even though i was curious to see how their relationship would evolve from playful friends to lovers) but after his route his pairing with Gian became my second fav after Luchino+Gian. To me their pairings with Gian felt natural kinda and i loved the seduction plays they had

about Nastascha :

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First its a shame she doesnt have a sprite in the og game. But her sprite exists and is in bad egg and it appears in a few other places too. Idk why they didnt use it in the og game. She deserves to have a face !!!! I like her character.
What i got from Bernardo+Nastacha is that Bernardo met her before he met Gian and he was in love with her. But then he met Gian and started to fall hard for him soon after but he thought it was doomed love because of his promise to Alessandro and because he and Gian are both men. So like you said he stayed with Nastacha because she was his lover before and he still liked her, but didnt love her anymore. He just thought he would need to settle soon if he wanted to have kids (to carry his future plan with Gian). Its something thats quite common in heterosexual couples, to settle because you think youre running out of time or to cling to someone because you think theyd be a "good enough" partner, not because you "love" this person. Bernardo clinging to a straight relationship makes even more sense considering the historical context and considering his rank in the mafia.
Him setting her up was very cunning and indeed showed us that he is a mafia leader above everything else. He willingly played with her feelings so that she would meet up with Dave as a revenge. At least, i loved that Bernardo said he will put bodyguards for her when she told him she was scared by Dave and i like that he let Nastacha keep the bar and everything else even though they werent together anymore. Whats also good is that in the end Nastacha doesnt forgive Bernardo for setting her up, even though he tried to apologize. She knows her worth! And she is smart, she knows that Bernardo loves Gian. I feel sad for her because she said Bernardo kept talking about Gian to her, and she most likely knew Bernardo was bisexual so once she met Gian thats when she probably realized that Bernardo wanted him instead of her. This is also why she tried to reassure herself and to "compete" with Gian when she was talking to him, saying how usually Bernardo is more passionate towards her etc etc. She probably wanted to make Bernardo scared of loosing her/to test his love for her, because she wasnt secure in their relationship anymore so wanted to get back at him. But Bernardo telling Gian that Nastacha "doesnt matter" right after she introduced herself as Bernardos gf was so mean of him... Thats not a way to treat someone youve been together with for like 10 years. Thats what Gian thinks too, because he was afraid to be "used by Bernardo and then thrown away".
TLDR but basically i thought what happened with Nastacha was a very interesting plot and it makes a lot of sense. Bernardo def isnt perfect and this arc showed us that. He was ambivalent towards Nastacha, protecting her physical integrity while also letting her fall into the trap of another gang leader
Also since you say you prefer LIs to be romantically involved with 1 person at the time im even more curious to know your take on Luchino since you know, he was married before!
But anyway i like Bernardo+Gian, and in general i have a weak spot for the trope of the "childhood" friend who has been in love with his friend for a long time but thinks it s love that has no chance of happening

what i didnt like about bernardos route :

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What bothers me the most in Bernardos route is the first H scene. I do hate how the first H scene was handled, as well as the (no)consequences ? I find it so unpleasing and outofcharacter tbh. Unfortunately the bar is quite low for yaoi so i try to not think too much about the first H scenes but still it plays an important part, like i really hate how it got handled for Bernardo. I dont see why it had to be noncon even scenario wise.... Also, at that time Gian was actually already attracted to bernardo and wasnt opposed to being his lover (like, he considered it)... i will forever be so mad about this :( Imo the first and second H scene should have been reversed, so that they could still have outdoor sex (because i guess it was the goal of that scene). And im so sooo mad about bernardo not feeling sorry at all even after
But i still like their relationship dynamics and all that and i loved all the talking bernardo did to gian between the bar and the H scene, like when he says he wants the Gian in front of him and no one else... damn
Im just so sad that the first H scene turned out that way. There was no reason for it to be like that, and also for bernardo to never actually apologize, yk? I dont see Bernardo ra/ping Gian because of how he cares so much about him and all that. But also, Bernardo has a really dark side, like him saying he "cant' hold back anymore" is a blatant lie (i mean its always a lie but still) and he had already been physically close to gian a lot of times in the past without assaulting him. Im conflicted on him because theres a part of me who thinks him ra/ping gian isnt something he would do, but another part of me says Bernardo has a lot of egoism and he himself says that one reason he felt fine assaulting him was because he "knew Gian would forgive him".... what a cunning asshole.
Also, idk about you guys but personnally i thought the first H scene was with consent at the beginning ? Bernardo kissed gian without warning but Gian was good with it happening and started to picture Bernardo as his lover, even tho he had a hard time processing it all since Bernardo basically threw a bomb at him, revealling his love and his plans for him in one go. So when Bernardo talked about ra/pe after that i was taken aback. When he started to undress Gian it was clearly non con but before that i thought it was consensual, so the writers could have made the whole scene consensual idk lmk what you think

This series really is like only thing Tennenouji's done, but I dont blame em. It brings in the bucks. But a 5-8 year delay is diabolical. Without those extra's people might have wholey given up on Bad Egg. Life happens though, family issues and development hell are hard pair of setback to come back from.

Im delulu and im still hoping for ANOTHER LD1 game... its never enough.

 

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To be precise, the fan translation was made but was in a word document, and only the early part of the common route was patched (up until konoe arrives in Ransen). So i played my game with the word document next to it. I remember scrolling down the document to spoil myself the cgs haha so i lost some surprise
I did replay it very recently because i had nostalgia!! I wanted to redo Rais route, which i did. I had good memories of his route, but no memory of Asato and Bardo even though i liked Asato. I did replay some part of Asatos route afterwards but got bored. Sorry Bardo...

Lol I get it, Rai's route might be one of the best Nitro+Chiral has ever written. Bardo and Asato feel like extra's that got added because they felt like they needed more LI's. But Bardo just scratches that itch in my brain.

I really liked Bernardos route, especially scenario wise ! I think its one of the most interesting ones and it was a pleasant surprise to hear Bernardo and Gian talk about the historical context they are in. Bernardo also has very cute moments with Gian and his best end makes me emotional. I did Bernardo last because i didnt like his chara design and i was interested in him the least (even though i was curious to see how their relationship would evolve from playful friends to lovers) but after his route his pairing with Gian became my second fav after Luchino+Gian. To me their pairings with Gian felt natural kinda and i loved the seduction plays they had

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His route has definitely given me the most to think about so far. I liked how different it was in tone and themes from Ivan's. Bernardo is in his thirties so his scenario is more mature than the one with a guy in his early twenties. It's funny you liked his design the least, cause I liked his the most out of everyone lol. His romance definitely felt like a natural progression and the culmination of the relationship leading up to it.

about Nastascha :

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First its a shame she doesnt have a sprite in the og game. But her sprite exists and is in bad egg and it appears in a few other places too. Idk why they didnt use it in the og game. She deserves to have a face !!!! I like her character.
What i got from Bernardo+Nastacha is that Bernardo met her before he met Gian and he was in love with her. But then he met Gian and started to fall hard for him soon after but he thought it was doomed love because of his promise to Alessandro and because he and Gian are both men. So like you said he stayed with Nastacha because she was his lover before and he still liked her, but didnt love her anymore. He just thought he would need to settle soon if he wanted to have kids (to carry his future plan with Gian). Its something thats quite common in heterosexual couples, to settle because you think youre running out of time or to cling to someone because you think theyd be a "good enough" partner, not because you "love" this person. Bernardo clinging to a straight relationship makes even more sense considering the historical context and considering his rank in the mafia.
Him setting her up was very cunning and indeed showed us that he is a mafia leader above everything else. He willingly played with her feelings so that she would meet up with Dave as a revenge. At least, i loved that Bernardo said he will put bodyguards for her when she told him she was scared by Dave and i like that he let Nastacha keep the bar and everything else even though they werent together anymore. Whats also good is that in the end Nastacha doesnt forgive Bernardo for setting her up, even though he tried to apologize. She knows her worth! And she is smart, she knows that Bernardo loves Gian. I feel sad for her because she said Bernardo kept talking about Gian to her, and she most likely knew Bernardo was bisexual so once she met Gian thats when she probably realized that Bernardo wanted him instead of her. This is also why she tried to reassure herself and to "compete" with Gian when she was talking to him, saying how usually Bernardo is more passionate towards her etc etc. She probably wanted to make Bernardo scared of loosing her/to test his love for her, because she wasnt secure in their relationship anymore so wanted to get back at him. But Bernardo telling Gian that Nastacha "doesnt matter" right after she introduced herself as Bernardos gf was so mean of him... Thats not a way to treat someone youve been together with for like 10 years. Thats what Gian thinks too, because he was afraid to be "used by Bernardo and then thrown away".
TLDR but basically i thought what happened with Nastacha was a very interesting plot and it makes a lot of sense. Bernardo def isnt perfect and this arc showed us that. He was ambivalent towards Nastacha, protecting her physical integrity while also letting her fall into the trap of another gang leader
Also since you say you prefer LIs to be romantically involved with 1 person at the time im even more curious to know your take on Luchino since you know, he was married before!
But anyway i like Bernardo+Gian, and in general i have a weak spot for the trope of the "childhood" friend who has been in love with his friend for a long time but thinks it s love that has no chance of happening

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It did seem strange she didn't get a sprite when she had so many spoken lines, yet Dave got one. I'm glad they eventually give her one! That timeline makes a lot of sense, especially now that I've had some time to sit and think the whole route a bit more. I think Nastasha knew or at least had some suspicions about Bernardo before she met Gian. She was settling for him for similar reasons, a place to sing/work, protection, and that they'd been together for so long. It almost feels like she might have been "competing" with Gian more keep her lifeline in Bernardo. Would he take the bar and bodyguards away now that he's moved on to someone else? That probably scared her a lot. While she might have known he wasn't in love with her anymore, he still hadn't moved on to someone else and kept providing for her. And while still providing for her, he set her up. Bernardo can be pretty cold to get what he wants and it's a really interesting juxtaposition to how kind he acts with Gian. He's protective of the people he cares about, but that same protective instinct applies to and is surpassed by the family as well. He's a lot more nuanced than I expected him to be going in, and I think I did overall like his route more because of it even if my kneejerk reaction was a little negative. I loved that Nastasha never took him back or forgave him.

On a lighter note, can I just say how absolutely wild Bernardo's plan for Gian was. Let's both have kids with the same woman and then get them hitched, bruh. I get that for the time period it's about the best they can do, but it was still wild to read. I do think Bernardo's concern with legacy is something that gay people still worry about today. There's a lot more options, but people do still think about and sometimes feel guilt that they can't continue their family's legacy via bio kids. But also I was thinking each time, "keep trying Bernardo, you'll get that boy pregnant eventually!" I also loved getting to see him so passionate about all the phones. He's right too, having that kind of communication network is really powerful. The mental image of him sitting on the floor surrounded by wires was really endearing.

I totally missed where they said Luchino was married. I'm not opposed to LI's having past relationships, I actually think it can add a lot to their character. I'm mostly just not a fan of when they're in a relationship with the MC and someone else at the same time.

what i didnt like about bernardos route :

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What bothers me the most in Bernardos route is the first H scene. I do hate how the first H scene was handled, as well as the (no)consequences ? I find it so unpleasing and outofcharacter tbh. Unfortunately the bar is quite low for yaoi so i try to not think too much about the first H scenes but still it plays an important part, like i really hate how it got handled for Bernardo. I dont see why it had to be noncon even scenario wise.... Also, at that time Gian was actually already attracted to bernardo and wasnt opposed to being his lover (like, he considered it)... i will forever be so mad about this :( Imo the first and second H scene should have been reversed, so that they could still have outdoor sex (because i guess it was the goal of that scene). And im so sooo mad about bernardo not feeling sorry at all even after
But i still like their relationship dynamics and all that and i loved all the talking bernardo did to gian between the bar and the H scene, like when he says he wants the Gian in front of him and no one else... damn
Im just so sad that the first H scene turned out that way. There was no reason for it to be like that, and also for bernardo to never actually apologize, yk? I dont see Bernardo ra/ping Gian because of how he cares so much about him and all that. But also, Bernardo has a really dark side, like him saying he "cant' hold back anymore" is a blatant lie (i mean its always a lie but still) and he had already been physically close to gian a lot of times in the past without assaulting him. Im conflicted on him because theres a part of me who thinks him ra/ping gian isnt something he would do, but another part of me says Bernardo has a lot of egoism and he himself says that one reason he felt fine assaulting him was because he "knew Gian would forgive him".... what a cunning asshole.
Also, idk about you guys but personnally i thought the first H scene was with consent at the beginning ? Bernardo kissed gian without warning but Gian was good with it happening and started to picture Bernardo as his lover, even tho he had a hard time processing it all since Bernardo basically threw a bomb at him, revealling his love and his plans for him in one go. So when Bernardo talked about ra/pe after that i was taken aback. When he started to undress Gian it was clearly non con but before that i thought it was consensual, so the writers could have made the whole scene consensual idk lmk what you think

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I felt thrown off by that too. Like wait, I thought Gian was into this too? But thinking back on it I almost see it as a way Bernardo was giving Gian an out. Theyre both high ranking men in the mafia who shouldn't be doing this and if someone were to find out, he can claim he was assaulted. Bernardo does a lot to protect Gian and I think that might have been a form of protection too. He would have taken the fall if the relationship got out and Gian's standing was at risk. Or maybe Bernardo is just lying to himself. If he can't control himself around Gian, then it's not his fault this happened and he doesn't have to feel as guilty about leaving Nastasha. But then also, with what Bernardo says during the last H-scene, I think he also just has a bit of a non-consent kink that played into it too. I dunno, there's a lot to unpack with that scene and I might totally just be being extra charitable since I like him.

Im delulu and im still hoping for ANOTHER LD1 game... its never enough.

Fight the good fight! I did see they did a stage play recently if that's your jam.

 

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It's funny you liked his design the least, cause I liked his the most out of everyone lol.

Its probably because i usually dont like very long hair on men (whether IRL or in fiction) unless its tied in a ponytail/braid or something. Rai is the exception because he is supposed to be a fluffy cat so it was fine to me, i remember wanting to pet him so bad yk.... especially that tail
Koujakus long hair was great too, it suited his vibe. Most of the time it was tied also but when he had his hair down he looked very good too. But otherwise i dont like long hair (im a short hair aoba lover for ex)
Theres official arts of Bernardo with a ponytail and he looks good with it haha (like on this cover art for Secret Diary : https://external-content.duckduckgo...e205f7701c94d97a5cfe6f2c28c93275be97b301188e6 )

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It did seem strange she didn't get a sprite when she had so many spoken lines, yet Dave got one. I'm glad they eventually give her one! That timeline makes a lot of sense, especially now that I've had some time to sit and think the whole route a bit more. I think Nastasha knew or at least had some suspicions about Bernardo before she met Gian. She was settling for him for similar reasons, a place to sing/work, protection, and that they'd been together for so long. It almost feels like she might have been "competing" with Gian more keep her lifeline in Bernardo. Would he take the bar and bodyguards away now that he's moved on to someone else? That probably scared her a lot. While she might have known he wasn't in love with her anymore, he still hadn't moved on to someone else and kept providing for her. And while still providing for her, he set her up. Bernardo can be pretty cold to get what he wants and it's a really interesting juxtaposition to how kind he acts with Gian. He's protective of the people he cares about, but that same protective instinct applies to and is surpassed by the family as well. He's a lot more nuanced than I expected him to be going in, and I think I did overall like his route more because of it even if my kneejerk reaction was a little negative. I loved that Nastasha never took him back or forgave him.

On a lighter note, can I just say how absolutely wild Bernardo's plan for Gian was. Let's both have kids with the same woman and then get them hitched, bruh. I get that for the time period it's about the best they can do, but it was still wild to read. I do think Bernardo's concern with legacy is something that gay people still worry about today. There's a lot more options, but people do still think about and sometimes feel guilt that they can't continue their family's legacy via bio kids. But also I was thinking each time, "keep trying Bernardo, you'll get that boy pregnant eventually!" I also loved getting to see him so passionate about all the phones. He's right too, having that kind of communication network is really powerful. The mental image of him sitting on the floor surrounded by wires was really endearing.

I totally missed where they said Luchino was married. I'm not opposed to LI's having past relationships, I actually think it can add a lot to their character. I'm mostly just not a fan of when they're in a relationship with the MC and someone else at the same time.

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You can click here if you want to see Nastachas sprite ! https://lucky-dog-1.fandom.com/wiki/Anastasia

Shes def an interesting character and im glad she wasnt made into a "nuisance" for Bernardo+Gian. When i see women characters in BLs im always afraid the writers would make them fall into some misogynistic tropes, which isnt the case for LD1.
Haha bernardos plan is wild but he didnt want them to have kids with the same woman! He wanted to have kids with a woman and Gian with another woman, and then make those kids marry each other. No incest involved (but still wild)
I think the reason Bernardo didnt have kids with Nastacha yet was either because 1) he wasnt actually able to commit to his plan or 2) because he wanted to wait for Gian himself to settle with a woman and have kids with her before having kids with Nastacha, so that their kids would be the same age which would make it easier to have them get together later on
Bernardo would def make Gian pregnant if we could. Also, he told gian that if he were a woman he would have already had MANY kids with him, so it shows us that him not having kids yet even though he wants it doesnt have anything to do with him being busy with mafia work...
Legacy really bothers Bernardo : he is very into technologies and likes to see ahead of time. He wants to leave his mark in the world, through technology advancement and he thinks he needs to have kids to prove he existed too.
Him being passionate about phones was really interesting to see indeed!!!
I love how Bernardo talks in a very gentle way all the time. Also, a thing im personnally very touched by is when characters who dont fit into the stereotypical vision of "intelligence" are given respect. Bernardo went to univeristy and has a lot of knowledge which Gian doesnt have, but never does he considers himself smarter than Gian. He knows Gian is very smart even if not academically. When Gian said Bernardo always considered him his equal and never ordered him around even when he was so high in rank in the mafia compared to gian its really something that made me like Bernardo.

Yep Luchino was married! its not a spoiler because they refer to it in the early prison part, so no worries. But its easy to forget about it if you didnt follow Luchino around in the common route

Whats very good with LD1 is that all characters have several layers, they all are interesting. Thats why we can have big discussions about them because theres a lot to unpack lol

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I felt thrown off by that too. Like wait, I thought Gian was into this too? But thinking back on it I almost see it as a way Bernardo was giving Gian an out. Theyre both high ranking men in the mafia who shouldn't be doing this and if someone were to find out, he can claim he was assaulted. Bernardo does a lot to protect Gian and I think that might have been a form of protection too. He would have taken the fall if the relationship got out and Gian's standing was at risk. Or maybe Bernardo is just lying to himself. If he can't control himself around Gian, then it's not his fault this happened and he doesn't have to feel as guilty about leaving Nastasha. But then also, with what Bernardo says during the last H-scene, I think he also just has a bit of a non-consent kink that played into it too. I dunno, there's a lot to unpack with that scene and I might totally just be being extra charitable since I like him.

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I dont see it as Bernardo giving a way out to Gian. I think he could lie to himself to feel less guilty tho, but man def profited off Gian because he knew Gian would let it slide. Alcohol and the whole problem with Nastacha and GD helped for sure, but Bernardo surely helped himself. Even Nastacha told Gian to be "careful" around Bernardo because he can go wild.
But also, i do think Gian would have consented to more things had Bernardo waited for them to arrive in the hotel room. Gian was very incomfortable about everything happening outdoor for a lot of reasons. Bernardo should have been nicer and slower. Thats also why i think their 2 H scenes should have been reversed : the first one in the hotel room with Bernardo taking care of Gian, and the second one outside and in a hurry if they really wanted to go wild
But also, i guess it was a way to show us that Bernardo wasnt that nice and that he can be very selfish
And Bernardo thats a shame, i think you had your chances with Gian even before the game started... He def could have taken Gian on drinking dates and make a move on him during those times if Gian was receptive, instead of trying to build a wall between them to not get too close

im not interested in the stage play but im glad it exists because it maybe means we will get more LD1 content in the future!

 

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Its probably because i usually dont like very long hair on men (whether IRL or in fiction) unless its tied in a ponytail/braid or something. Rai is the exception because he is supposed to be a fluffy cat so it was fine to me, i remember wanting to pet him so bad yk.... especially that tail
Koujakus long hair was great too, it suited his vibe. Most of the time it was tied also but when he had his hair down he looked very good too. But otherwise i dont like long hair (im a short hair aoba lover for ex)
Theres official arts of Bernardo with a ponytail and he looks good with it haha (like on this cover art for Secret Diary : https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https://c-ssl.duitang.com/uploads/item/201601/23/20160123233041_uicjK.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8296519176f20a9a72fe205f7701c94d97a5cfe6f2c28c93275be97b301188e6 )

Rai had such pretty hair... I really wanted to pet his ears. I don't really have a preference for hair length, I just liked his vibes when I saw him. Maybe it was the glasses? But Bernardo with a pony tail is chef's kiss. I liked Aoba's mullet as much as the next guy, but his short hair look was really cute. On the other hand, I think Rei's hair getting cut short in his ending was kinda criminal. Both for plot reasons, and cause I think short hair didn't suit him at all.

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You can click here if you want to see Nastachas sprite ! https://lucky-dog-1.fandom.com/wiki/Anastasia

Shes def an interesting character and im glad she wasnt made into a "nuisance" for Bernardo+Gian. When i see women characters in BLs im always afraid the writers would make them fall into some misogynistic tropes, which isnt the case for LD1.
Haha bernardos plan is wild but he didnt want them to have kids with the same woman! He wanted to have kids with a woman and Gian with another woman, and then make those kids marry each other. No incest involved (but still wild)
I think the reason Bernardo didnt have kids with Nastacha yet was either because 1) he wasnt actually able to commit to his plan or 2) because he wanted to wait for Gian himself to settle with a woman and have kids with her before having kids with Nastacha, so that their kids would be the same age which would make it easier to have them get together later on
Bernardo would def make Gian pregnant if we could. Also, he told gian that if he were a woman he would have already had MANY kids with him, so it shows us that him not having kids yet even though he wants it doesnt have anything to do with him being busy with mafia work...
Legacy really bothers Bernardo : he is very into technologies and likes to see ahead of time. He wants to leave his mark in the world, through technology advancement and he thinks he needs to have kids to prove he existed too.
Him being passionate about phones was really interesting to see indeed!!!
I love how Bernardo talks in a very gentle way all the time. Also, a thing im personnally very touched by is when characters who dont fit into the stereotypical vision of "intelligence" are given respect. Bernardo went to univeristy and has a lot of knowledge which Gian doesnt have, but never does he considers himself smarter than Gian. He knows Gian is very smart even if not academically. When Gian said Bernardo always considered him his equal and never ordered him around even when he was so high in rank in the mafia compared to gian its really something that made me like Bernardo.

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She looks so nice, such a shame we couldn't see it in the original game. Women in BL's always make me a little anxious cause they're usually treated pretty poorly, if they even bother to have women at all. So having a woman that's an actual person always sticks out to me and makes a game even better.
I totally misread his plan lol. That's still wild, but it makes a lot more sense. I think he didn't have kids yet with her for both reasons. He wasn't able to commit at first, but when he met Gian the plan changed and he wanted to wait to loop in him.
If Gian could get pregnant, there's no amount of work that could stop Bernardo from having as many kids as possible. Lord, they'd be terrors too. Smart, lucky kid's of the Boss. They'd all adore Ivan too and while he'd grumble about them, he'd totally sneak them goodies. I'd loved that little detail at the village festival where all the kids followed him around.
I also liked how casually he spoke with Gian despite their difference in rank. Their first in-game conversation using pet names was surprising and really made the two stand out. You could tell they actually had a long history and good relationship together. I also think pet names are really fun, and I love the way the voice actors said them.
I also liked that Bernardo and Gian has different kinds of intelligence. Gian really gets to shine in Bernardo's route showing his off. He's adaptable and a quick study, jumping in to help Bernardo run the phones after just a brief walkthrough. I also appreciated that Gian spent more time thinking about how much he needed to grow and learn to be able to better lead the family.

Yep Luchino was married! its not a spoiler because they refer to it in the early prison part, so no worries. But its easy to forget about it if you didnt follow Luchino around in the common route

Whats very good with LD1 is that all characters have several layers, they all are interesting. Thats why we can have big discussions about them because theres a lot to unpack lol

This game has really hooked me. There's a part of my brain that's constantly rotating them and I'm glad I can talk it out here. Otherwise I think my friend would get sick of it lol.

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I dont see it as Bernardo giving a way out to Gian. I think he could lie to himself to feel less guilty tho, but man def profited off Gian because he knew Gian would let it slide. Alcohol and the whole problem with Nastacha and GD helped for sure, but Bernardo surely helped himself. Even Nastacha told Gian to be "careful" around Bernardo because he can go wild.
But also, i do think Gian would have consented to more things had Bernardo waited for them to arrive in the hotel room. Gian was very incomfortable about everything happening outdoor for a lot of reasons. Bernardo should have been nicer and slower. Thats also why i think their 2 H scenes should have been reversed : the first one in the hotel room with Bernardo taking care of Gian, and the second one outside and in a hurry if they really wanted to go wild
But also, i guess it was a way to show us that Bernardo wasnt that nice and that he can be very selfish
And Bernardo thats a shame, i think you had your chances with Gian even before the game started... He def could have taken Gian on drinking dates and make a move on him during those times if Gian was receptive, instead of trying to build a wall between them to not get too close

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It's interesting that both Ivan and Bernardo call that Gian would let it slide. I think it's definitly more to do with yaoi as a genre then it is about them as characters, but its still says something about them as characters. I 100% think Gian would have been game for most anything if they had gotten back to their room. I expecting we would have gotten three scenes like Ivan did, I just assume all LI's get an even amount of scenes. If there was a third it would have been perfect as the first one. Then we could still have the outdoor stuff and the big romantic ending.
Bernardo is definitly a darker guy, especially in comparison to Ivan. Another way to highlight how he's been in the family longer and how it's changed him. The scene in the hut was just a preview to how selfish he can be. I think that while he could have made a move on Gian before, my guess is that was partially because he was afraid. If Gian wasn't receptive then it could ruin their friendship or he could be in some real trouble if the boss found out after he swore he wouldn't. When they all managed to escape and Bernardo was riding the high of freedom, he was able to let a lot of that fear go. Then when Gian doesn't immediate hate him, he can finally start putting things in motion and let his selfish desires take over after waiting so long.

 

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She looks so nice, such a shame we couldn't see it in the original game. Women in BL's always make me a little anxious cause they're usually treated pretty poorly, if they even bother to have women at all. So having a woman that's an actual person always sticks out to me and makes a game even better.
I totally misread his plan lol. That's still wild, but it makes a lot more sense. I think he didn't have kids yet with her for both reasons. He wasn't able to commit at first, but when he met Gian the plan changed and he wanted to wait to loop in him.
If Gian could get pregnant, there's no amount of work that could stop Bernardo from having as many kids as possible. Lord, they'd be terrors too. Smart, lucky kid's of the Boss. They'd all adore Ivan too and while he'd grumble about them, he'd totally sneak them goodies. I'd loved that little detail at the village festival where all the kids followed him around.
I also liked how casually he spoke with Gian despite their difference in rank. Their first in-game conversation using pet names was surprising and really made the two stand out. You could tell they actually had a long history and good relationship together. I also think pet names are really fun, and I love the way the voice actors said them.
I also liked that Bernardo and Gian has different kinds of intelligence. Gian really gets to shine in Bernardo's route showing his off. He's adaptable and a quick study, jumping in to help Bernardo run the phones after just a brief walkthrough. I also appreciated that Gian spent more time thinking about how much he needed to grow and learn to be able to better lead the family.

omg true if they were to have kids theyd for sure be smartass little devils... thats so funny to picture ivan like that because yeah it would 1000% happen haha. He would read them Anne's story!!! he'd be the cool uncle.
i love the pet names too and the way they say it. I was curious to see how it would develop from "jokes" to actual lovers nicknames! Bernardo and Gian having history together was one of the reasons their pairing made a lot of sense to me. They had good chemistry from the start and they can joke with each other!

This game has really hooked me. There's a part of my brain that's constantly rotating them and I'm glad I can talk it out here. Otherwise I think my friend would get sick of it lol.

i completely understand and thats why i created this thread lol i was desperate to talk about this series with others

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It's interesting that both Ivan and Bernardo call that Gian would let it slide. I think it's definitly more to do with yaoi as a genre then it is about them as characters, but its still says something about them as characters. I 100% think Gian would have been game for most anything if they had gotten back to their room. I expecting we would have gotten three scenes like Ivan did, I just assume all LI's get an even amount of scenes. If there was a third it would have been perfect as the first one. Then we could still have the outdoor stuff and the big romantic ending.
Bernardo is definitly a darker guy, especially in comparison to Ivan. Another way to highlight how he's been in the family longer and how it's changed him. The scene in the hut was just a preview to how selfish he can be. I think that while he could have made a move on Gian before, my guess is that was partially because he was afraid. If Gian wasn't receptive then it could ruin their friendship or he could be in some real trouble if the boss found out after he swore he wouldn't. When they all managed to escape and Bernardo was riding the high of freedom, he was able to let a lot of that fear go. Then when Gian doesn't immediate hate him, he can finally start putting things in motion and let his selfish desires take over after waiting so long.

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i dont remember ivan saying he thought gian would let it slide, did he do that ?? because i can believe it for Bernardo kinda, but less for ivan. Yeah too bad its a yaoi writing problem...
Im still mad that they didnt make that first Bernardo h scene consensual because they had every way to make it happen, but anyway. Lets say its because they wanted to insist on Bernardos selfish tendencies, but i think the hut one already highlighted this. And even if Gian had consented to having s3x with Bernardo the first time, he could have still resented/feared him : Gian thinking Bernardo would just use him and throw him away like he did with Nastacha and Gian not knowing how to act arounf bernardo anymore would have still worked. So even plot wise there was no reason for having a whole ahh ra/pe happening. I think it would also have made even more sense since we know how much bernardo cares for gians well being and how he is ready to completely give up on him in fears of losing him if he told him about his feelings. So him randomly ra/ping in a dark alley was a little uh???? please no. Also, he just assaulted his future boss who is also a very important person for the current boss... this doesnt make sense mafia world wise lol
They indeed all have 3 H scene/cg per route. For bernardo unfortunately i think the one which counts as the 3rd one is the scene where Gian gets ra/ped by GD while Bernardo is butchered....

 

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omg true if they were to have kids theyd for sure be smartass little devils... thats so funny to picture ivan like that because yeah it would 1000% happen haha. He would read them Anne's story!!! he'd be the cool uncle.
i love the pet names too and the way they say it. I was curious to see how it would develop from "jokes" to actual lovers nicknames! Bernardo and Gian having history together was one of the reasons their pairing made a lot of sense to me. They had good chemistry from the start and they can joke with each other!

He would 100% read to them and probably get really into it to with running commentary. There would absolutely be a running joke that if you ever needed to find Ivan, just ask one of the kids. I've been really pleased with everyone's voice performance so far, though sometime the audio mixing can be a little scuffed lol. It's gonna be real interesting when I finally get to Kichiku Megane and hearing Ivan every time MC talks.

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i dont remember ivan saying he thought gian would let it slide, did he do that ?? because i can believe it for Bernardo kinda, but less for ivan. Yeah too bad its a yaoi writing problem...
Im still mad that they didnt make that first Bernardo h scene consensual because they had every way to make it happen, but anyway. Lets say its because they wanted to insist on Bernardos selfish tendencies, but i think the hut one already highlighted this. And even if Gian had consented to having s3x with Bernardo the first time, he could have still resented/feared him : Gian thinking Bernardo would just use him and throw him away like he did with Nastacha and Gian not knowing how to act arounf bernardo anymore would have still worked. So even plot wise there was no reason for having a whole ahh ra/pe happening. I think it would also have made even more sense since we know how much bernardo cares for gians well being and how he is ready to completely give up on him in fears of losing him if he told him about his feelings. So him randomly ra/ping in a dark alley was a little uh???? please no. Also, he just assaulted his future boss who is also a very important person for the current boss... this doesnt make sense mafia world wise lol
They indeed all have 3 H scene/cg per route. For bernardo unfortunately i think the one which counts as the 3rd one is the scene where Gian gets ra/ped by GD while Bernardo is butchered....

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He doesn't outright say it, but it felt like something he was banking on during their first H-scene. I don't think it was as intentional a thought as Bernardo's though. Ivan was more caught up in the moment, but still made the call to keep going with the hope that Gian would let it slide.
If the character route's were longer I would have loved to stayed a while in that stage where Gian isn't sure if Bernardo is using him. Maybe explore Gian's history with Bernardo a little deeper while he tries to figure out what he means to him. Then Bernardo would have to work harder to prove himself and his feelings to Gian.
Even for a blvn, this game likes its non-con scenes. It's not nearly as much as some can have, but its looking like everyone will get at least one. I've typically see them relegated to bad ends and I think that would have worked a lot better here. It would have helped things stay a bit more tonally consistent during the regular route.
Mannnnnn, that's such a nothing scene it's a shame that counts as his third H-scene. I got to it for completion's sake and hoping there was something like Ivan's. The moment I saw where it was going I just started skipping it. That didn't need to be there :/ There was so much potential for a Bernardo bad end.

 

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He would 100% read to them and probably get really into it to with running commentary. There would absolutely be a running joke that if you ever needed to find Ivan, just ask one of the kids. I've been really pleased with everyone's voice performance so far, though sometime the audio mixing can be a little scuffed lol. It's gonna be real interesting when I finally get to Kichiku Megane and hearing Ivan every time MC talks.

Personally i always put the BGM very low and the voices at max. Because otherwise the mixing isnt the best, especially in LD1. Yes they all have great performances which is so cool considering its a doujin game! But i have to admit that i skipped some of Ivans lines because he was sometimes TOO LOUD in his route lmao.
Ive heard of Kichiku megane but i didnt understand if it was good or not. What BLVNs did you play btw ?

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He doesn't outright say it, but it felt like something he was banking on during their first H-scene. I don't think it was as intentional a thought as Bernardo's though. Ivan was more caught up in the moment, but still made the call to keep going with the hope that Gian would let it slide.
If the character route's were longer I would have loved to stayed a while in that stage where Gian isn't sure if Bernardo is using him. Maybe explore Gian's history with Bernardo a little deeper while he tries to figure out what he means to him. Then Bernardo would have to work harder to prove himself and his feelings to Gian.
Even for a blvn, this game likes its non-con scenes. It's not nearly as much as some can have, but its looking like everyone will get at least one. I've typically see them relegated to bad ends and I think that would have worked a lot better here. It would have helped things stay a bit more tonally consistent during the regular route.
Mannnnnn, that's such a nothing scene it's a shame that counts as his third H-scene. I got to it for completion's sake and hoping there was something like Ivan's. The moment I saw where it was going I just started skipping it. That didn't need to be there :/ There was so much potential for a Bernardo bad end.

Yes i would also have liked that to be longer. Im all for the yearning !!!

Bernardo bad end : i think this end is "good" in the way that its heartbreaking to know that gian sees Bernardo being butchered in front of him. But the ra/pe was very graphic, Gians screams were too much to handle for me so same as you, i skipped some parts because it was horrible to hear. Also, it was too long... I think it would have been more efficient to have Bernardo/Gian being tortured in front of each other. And also this way we could have had another Bernardo H scene instead of a GD scene which already happens in the prison (my first end btw LMAO)... so its the same all over again, def not necessary.

The only reason im not asking all my friends to play LD1 is because of the non-con. Most of the critiques i have about the game are related to the noncon and lack of consequences of it anyway, so its a big problem in this game and not only for "moral" reasons.
Considering the fact its the 1930s and we are dealing with mafia dudes i dont expect them to be perfect consent wise, but i at least expect whats happening to make sense and the aftermaths to make sense too, yk?

But yesterday one of my IRL friends decided to play LD1 (i warned her about the noncon no worries). Shes still in the prison and she told me her first impressions of the capos and i thought it was funny haha. She will probably go for Bernardo or Luchino first
So far Bernardo is her fav and she said "i like Bernardo! but idk... he seems almost too nice so im wary of him. I like Luchino too. Ivan just gets on my nerves but its with him i got the most dialogues so far. And Giulio well... he scares me so im NEVER going near him. Idk, i just feel like he is going to kill me in my sleep. He is giving crime of passion vibes".

 

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Personally i always put the BGM very low and the voices at max. Because otherwise the mixing isnt the best, especially in LD1. Yes they all have great performances which is so cool considering its a doujin game! But i have to admit that i skipped some of Ivans lines because he was sometimes TOO LOUD in his route lmao.
Ive heard of Kichiku megane but i didnt understand if it was good or not. What BLVNs did you play btw ?

I do the same and I still have to pump my volume every time I boot it up. I've gotten deafened a few times forgetting to turn my volume back down for other stuff lol. The yelling is usually a bit too loud for me, but the whispering is even worse imo. I can barely hear it most of the time. Funny enough Luchino's VA has been following me lately and popping up in anime I've been watching with a friend. So now every time he shows up I make a bad sprite edit for his new role.
I know Kichiku Megane has a lot of fans and is considered a classic, but I don't know much more outside its initial premise. That and the classic art style got me interested. I recently finished up my goal of playing every Nitro+Chiral game and now have been working on stuff outside of them. I've made my way through most of Messiah and a little bit of Hashihime. I'm really looking forward to playing everything I've missed out on. How about you?

Yes i would also have liked that to be longer. Im all for the yearning !!!

Bernardo bad end : i think this end is "good" in the way that its heartbreaking to know that gian sees Bernardo being butchered in front of him. But the ra/pe was very graphic, Gians screams were too much to handle for me so same as you, i skipped some parts because it was horrible to hear. Also, it was too long... I think it would have been more efficient to have Bernardo/Gian being tortured in front of each other. And also this way we could have had another Bernardo H scene instead of a GD scene which already happens in the prison (my first end btw LMAO)... so its the same all over again, def not necessary.

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I think you're totally right about them being tortured in front of one another. It would have been a much more heartbreaking moment and more compelling as an ending. Bernardo is so focused on protecting Gian that watching him be tortured would be worse then what was happening to himself. I think it was missed opportunity not to utilize what was set up on his route and instead go for a cheap assault scene.

The only reason im not asking all my friends to play LD1 is because of the non-con. Most of the critiques i have about the game are related to the noncon and lack of consequences of it anyway, so its a big problem in this game and not only for "moral" reasons.
Considering the fact its the 1930s and we are dealing with mafia dudes i dont expect them to be perfect consent wise, but i at least expect whats happening to make sense and the aftermaths to make sense too, yk?

But yesterday one of my IRL friends decided to play LD1 (i warned her about the noncon no worries). Shes still in the prison and she told me her first impressions of the capos and i thought it was funny haha. She will probably go for Bernardo or Luchino first
So far Bernardo is her fav and she said "i like Bernardo! but idk... he seems almost too nice so im wary of him. I like Luchino too. Ivan just gets on my nerves but its with him i got the most dialogues so far. And Giulio well... he scares me so im NEVER going near him. Idk, i just feel like he is going to kill me in my sleep. He is giving crime of passion vibes".

The non-con in general keeps me from recommending things too, unless I know they're alright with reading that kind of thing. The way characters brush off assualt has been the biggest sticking point for me so far. Most everything else has been small complaints or personal preference, but it would be nice for them to aknowledge that it happened. It would make for some compelling character interactions and relationship building if they actually had to discuss what happened.
Soon... soon everyone will have played Lucky Dog... Good taste going for Bernardo or Luchino first. Rip to Ivan though lol. Her thoughts on Giulio are killing me lmao. She's not wrong though, he really does give that vibe.

 

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I do the same and I still have to pump my volume every time I boot it up. I've gotten deafened a few times forgetting to turn my volume back down for other stuff lol. The yelling is usually a bit too loud for me, but the whispering is even worse imo. I can barely hear it most of the time. Funny enough Luchino's VA has been following me lately and popping up in anime I've been watching with a friend. So now every time he shows up I make a bad sprite edit for his new role.

hahaha same for me, idk why the sound is so low
Luchinos VA is famous, and rightfully so. This voice is gorgeous. He could be saying anything, id be LISTENING.

I know Kichiku Megane has a lot of fans and is considered a classic, but I don't know much more outside its initial premise. That and the classic art style got me interested. I recently finished up my goal of playing every Nitro+Chiral game and now have been working on stuff outside of them. I've made my way through most of Messiah and a little bit of Hashihime. I'm really looking forward to playing everything I've missed out on. How about you?

When i first picked BLVNs in 2012 (i was a minor...) i played all N+C games. Except Slow Damage because it didnt exist back then. But ive finished Slow damage recently, like last month ? i think its the best n+c game in terms of scenario.
Back in 2013 after i finished n+c games i randomly picked pigeon blood because i liked some chara design, but i wouldnt recommend that game.
And then in november from this year i discovered LD1 and all its games and got crazy about it.
I also recently played Galtia but didnt finish it. The sprites were gorgeous and the MC has such a sweet voice, but besides that i wouldnt recommend it.
The series i recently started is Paradise because i heard about it a lot, especially about the MC (he is indeed great). I played Paradise and Paradise Musubi, so i just have Paradise Kiwame left. Idk how to feel about Paradise because the MC is great and i was very into the story, but all LIs are bad and its full of abuse and nonsense.

Hashihime is on my to play list! Messiah maybe too but i dont remember

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I think you're totally right about them being tortured in front of one another. It would have been a much more heartbreaking moment and more compelling as an ending. Bernardo is so focused on protecting Gian that watching him be tortured would be worse then what was happening to himself. I think it was missed opportunity not to utilize what was set up on his route and instead go for a cheap assault scene.

It would have made such a great impact. Its a missed opportunity, and it would have also made SO much sense even mafia world wise. And idk why we got 2 GD scenes like that... its like they ran out of ideas even tho there would have been so many more interesting stuff to explore.

The non-con in general keeps me from recommending things too, unless I know they're alright with reading that kind of thing. The way characters brush off assualt has been the biggest sticking point for me so far. Most everything else has been small complaints or personal preference, but it would be nice for them to aknowledge that it happened. It would make for some compelling character interactions and relationship building if they actually had to discuss what happened.

Yep, i really agree. I think all problems the game have are related to assault in one way or another. Also, it doesnt even fit the LUCKY in Luckydog. Gian is supposed to be way more lucky than everyone else, but why is he a victim of so much assault then ? In bad ends i can understand because they kind of happen because he got UNLUCKY, but for the "good" routes it contradicts the original speech.

Soon... soon everyone will have played Lucky Dog... Good taste going for Bernardo or Luchino first. Rip to Ivan though lol. Her thoughts on Giulio are killing me lmao. She's not wrong though, he really does give that vibe.

Haha yeah it made me laugh. I didnt think about it for Giulio before but now that she pointed it out i think he really does have that vibe. Now it looks so obvious to me too

 

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hahaha same for me, idk why the sound is so low
Luchinos VA is famous, and rightfully so. This voice is gorgeous. He could be saying anything, id be LISTENING.

Facts. He's got such a nice voice. It's honestly such a shame they swap the voice cast for Bad Egg. I understand why they had to, but its still a bummer.

When i first picked BLVNs in 2012 (i was a minor...) i played all N+C games. Except Slow Damage because it didnt exist back then. But ive finished Slow damage recently, like last month ? i think its the best n+c game in terms of scenario.
Back in 2013 after i finished n+c games i randomly picked pigeon blood because i liked some chara design, but i wouldnt recommend that game.
And then in november from this year i discovered LD1 and all its games and got crazy about it.
I also recently played Galtia but didnt finish it. The sprites were gorgeous and the MC has such a sweet voice, but besides that i wouldnt recommend it.
The series i recently started is Paradise because i heard about it a lot, especially about the MC (he is indeed great). I played Paradise and Paradise Musubi, so i just have Paradise Kiwame left. Idk how to feel about Paradise because the MC is great and i was very into the story, but all LIs are bad and its full of abuse and nonsense.

Hashihime is on my to play list! Messiah maybe too but i dont remember

There's a uniting fujo experience in us all having played Nitro games too young lol. It was DMMD for me. Slow Damage is probably the best blvn I've ever played. I describe it to people as the Ferrari of VN's lol. It's a standout in the already strong lineup of N+C games.
Rip playing Pigeon Blood without a warning. From what I've heard, it doesn't sound like your type of game at all.
Paradise seems like it hits all the traditional blvn content warnings, but I've heard some good things about it. It's one I've been meaning to play at some point. Though I'm a bit more interested in their newest game Lesson.
Hashihime has been an interesting time so far. I've liked Messiah a lot, but its definitely a darker game and the protag goes through a lot in both routes. So fair warning if you ever end up playing it.

It would have made such a great impact. Its a missed opportunity, and it would have also made SO much sense even mafia world wise. And idk why we got 2 GD scenes like that... its like they ran out of ideas even tho there would have been so many more interesting stuff to explore.

Yep, i really agree. I think all problems the game have are related to assault in one way or another. Also, it doesnt even fit the LUCKY in Luckydog. Gian is supposed to be way more lucky than everyone else, but why is he a victim of so much assault then ? In bad ends i can understand because they kind of happen because he got UNLUCKY, but for the "good" routes it contradicts the original speech.

Haha yeah it made me laugh. I didnt think about it for Giulio before but now that she pointed it out i think he really does have that vibe. Now it looks so obvious to me too

Speaking of GD...

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I just got to the introduction of Bakshi in Luchino's route and was really surprised to see he's GD! I thought for sure he'd be another member of the CR-5. I can only imagine what his route's going to be like in Bad Egg. Will Gian switch sides? Will he merge GD and the CR-5? Who knows? (I mean you of course lol, but I'll be clueless until I can get there.) Not going to lie though, I'm glad that in the VA swap for Bad Egg they also changed his voice. When he stopped talking I realized I was so distracted by his line delivery I didn't actually read a thing.
I'm also having a good time watching Gian get spoiled by Luchino. It's pretty cute.

 

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Facts. He's got such a nice voice. It's honestly such a shame they swap the voice cast for Bad Egg. I understand why they had to, but its still a bummer.

I think all the bad egg voices are good. Giulio is the same VA, Bernardos one sounds so similar theres hardly a difference. Ivans voice isnt that different too, but i have a slight preference for the bad egg one. Luchinos voice in bad egg is one of the most notable changes. I love his bad egg voice (and he also voices one of the Paradise LIs btw) but the og voice was so perfect... Gians voice is good both ways. I REALLY prefer bakshis bad egg voice tho! its way way better and it suits his main chara role.

There's a uniting fujo experience in us all having played Nitro games too young lol. It was DMMD for me. Slow Damage is probably the best blvn I've ever played. I describe it to people as the Ferrari of VN's lol. It's a standout in the already strong lineup of N+C games.

Haha same, it was also dmmd for me (i mean, like 80% of blvn players out here). What did you think about n+c games btw?
i love slow damage but i dont have any strong attachment towards any character or pairing, even if theres some i like. But all routes were interesting in their own ways! Following Towas journey was one of the great things about this game tho. Im usually an old man hater but my 2 fav LIs are Taku and Madarame pls dont cancel me over that guys lol, even with all the toxicity and abuse in their relationship i thought that towa had more romantic moments with him than with most of the cast and i think its good to see a route where Towa actually stays with some of his destructive tendencies but still manages to be happy ... So shout out to slow damage for making me like these pairings with older men. I think what also helped is that Towa is a little older than most BL protagonists, being 26-27. Also, he is a perfect MC for N+C because whatever gruesome/kinky thing happens to him, he still is down for it.
Well actually theres 1 character i LOVE but he is a side one : Kotaro. What a king.
Even if other n+c games are less good than slow damage scenario wise, i found myself more invested in some characters and pairings of these other games. My obsession was Keisuke and his pairing with Akira. I was also invested in Shikis route, even if i dont wish for Akira to end up with him. I loved Aoba so much too (so the bad ends had strong effects on me, since it was terrible to see aoba suffer), and i really liked Noiz and Koujaku and their pairings with Aoba. Oh, and i loved Aobas granny, what a queen. I dont particularily love them as characters, but i liked the pairing Rai+Konoe. Concerning sweet pool, i enjoyed the horror but i didnt like any pairing, and my fav character was the old dude who was following Zenya around.

Rip playing Pigeon Blood without a warning. From what I've heard, it doesn't sound like your type of game at all.
Paradise seems like it hits all the traditional blvn content warnings, but I've heard some good things about it. It's one I've been meaning to play at some point. Though I'm a bit more interested in their newest game Lesson.
Hashihime has been an interesting time so far. I've liked Messiah a lot, but its definitely a darker game and the protag goes through a lot in both routes. So fair warning if you ever end up playing it.

no worries, if i was easily triggered i wouldnt be playing blvns.
Paradise def has some good stuff and its quite well known and popular. In another thread i wrote my reviews about Paradise ("general BL discussions"), so if you end up playing it lmk!

Speaking of GD...

Spoiler

I just got to the introduction of Bakshi in Luchino's route and was really surprised to see he's GD! I thought for sure he'd be another member of the CR-5. I can only imagine what his route's going to be like in Bad Egg. Will Gian switch sides? Will he merge GD and the CR-5? Who knows? (I mean you of course lol, but I'll be clueless until I can get there.) Not going to lie though, I'm glad that in the VA swap for Bad Egg they also changed his voice. When he stopped talking I realized I was so distracted by his line delivery I didn't actually read a thing.
I'm also having a good time watching Gian get spoiled by Luchino. It's pretty cute.

In the og game i didnt like bakshi at all ngl. I thought his character was just cringe. And i still think that lol, and whats up with that ugly pink jacket ? I like the way he talks tho but yeah its hard to focus on anything else since i always had a hard time completely understanding his sentences, whether it was in japanese or english (its not my first language). So i wasnt hyped for him in bad egg, but they managed to make him interesting and not cringe!
Luchino : i love his relationship with Gian, they have so much chemistry together!! And yeah Luchino, spoil that blondie!!! he deserves it. I guess you already had one of my fav scenes in Luchinos route : when they are in Luchinos club and gian cant bring himself to be interested in the women around him because he is too focused on Luchino. And... the scene where Luchino makes everyone go away to stick his forehead to gians to tell him that he trusts him and will help make him a great capo really does something to me. I find it very touching. I can really see why it made Gians heart race. I will forever be mad that theres no cg for it because isnt it peak cg moment??? why would we NOT have a cg of this moment ?

 

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I think all the bad egg voices are good. Giulio is the same VA, Bernardos one sounds so similar theres hardly a difference. Ivans voice isnt that different too, but i have a slight preference for the bad egg one. Luchinos voice in bad egg is one of the most notable changes. I love his bad egg voice (and he also voices one of the Paradise LIs btw) but the og voice was so perfect... Gians voice is good both ways. I REALLY prefer bakshis bad egg voice tho! its way way better and it suits his main chara role.

I'm really surprised and pretty happy to hear the new VA's work so well. I'm always wary when they bring in new voices for characters in anything.

Haha same, it was also dmmd for me (i mean, like 80% of blvn players out here). What did you think about n+c games btw?
i love slow damage but i dont have any strong attachment towards any character or pairing, even if theres some i like. But all routes were interesting in their own ways! Following Towas journey was one of the great things about this game tho. Im usually an old man hater but my 2 fav LIs are Taku and Madarame pls dont cancel me over that guys lol, even with all the toxicity and abuse in their relationship i thought that towa had more romantic moments with him than with most of the cast and i think its good to see a route where Towa actually stays with some of his destructive tendencies but still manages to be happy ... So shout out to slow damage for making me like these pairings with older men. I think what also helped is that Towa is a little older than most BL protagonists, being 26-27. Also, he is a perfect MC for N+C because whatever gruesome/kinky thing happens to him, he still is down for it.
Well actually theres 1 character i LOVE but he is a side one : Kotaro. What a king.
Even if other n+c games are less good than slow damage scenario wise, i found myself more invested in some characters and pairings of these other games. My obsession was Keisuke and his pairing with Akira. I was also invested in Shikis route, even if i dont wish for Akira to end up with him. I loved Aoba so much too (so the bad ends had strong effects on me, since it was terrible to see aoba suffer), and i really liked Noiz and Koujaku and their pairings with Aoba. Oh, and i loved Aobas granny, what a queen. I dont particularily love them as characters, but i liked the pairing Rai+Konoe. Concerning sweet pool, i enjoyed the horror but i didnt like any pairing, and my fav character was the old dude who was following Zenya around.


no worries, if i was easily triggered i wouldnt be playing blvns.
Paradise def has some good stuff and its quite well known and popular. In another thread i wrote my reviews about Paradise ("general BL discussions"), so if you end up playing it lmk!

Towa's personality was such a risky character choice. I can so easily see a different timeline where they fail to make him compelling enough to be interested in, let alone able drive the story. But they nailed it, and the game wouldn't be nearly as great without him. I think my two fav's are Fujieda and Taku. I like Taku's personality more, but Fujieda's route was so good. You are so brave for publicly admitting you like Madarame lol. I liked his route, but I definitely read it as more of a horror story. There were a lot of moments that unsettled me and made me emotional. Like I had grown to love the Towa/Taku/Rei squad and it felt so lonely being forcibly pulled away from them. It's a bit of a shame he's been turned into Mink2.0, when I think his route has much stronger storytelling. But I'm always happy to hear people liking the older guys. I'd really like to see more of them in blvn's honestly.
While I think Slow Damage is their strongest game, it's definitly not my fav of theirs. Lamento will remain the king of my heart. I fell in love with the setting and characters. I love the whole feel of the game and really like Konoe as a protagonist. Rai's route is so beautifully made and I love the progression of his relationship with Konoe. Aoba's Grandma is 100% a queen and I loved that they gave her VA a role in Slow Damage. Clear, Noiz, and Kojaku were all great. I was, and still am a little bit lol, obsessed with Clear. I think he's so sweet and interactions with Aoba were really funny. I've got a lot of thoughts about Sweet Pool. While I didn't love any of the routes, I think its a great horror game with a lot to say.

When I finally to Paradise I'll be sure to let you know!

In the og game i didnt like bakshi at all ngl. I thought his character was just cringe. And i still think that lol, and whats up with that ugly pink jacket ? I like the way he talks tho but yeah its hard to focus on anything else since i always had a hard time completely understanding his sentences, whether it was in japanese or english (its not my first language). So i wasnt hyped for him in bad egg, but they managed to make him interesting and not cringe!
Luchino : i love his relationship with Gian, they have so much chemistry together!! And yeah Luchino, spoil that blondie!!! he deserves it. I guess you already had one of my fav scenes in Luchinos route : when they are in Luchinos club and gian cant bring himself to be interested in the women around him because he is too focused on Luchino. And... the scene where Luchino makes everyone go away to stick his forehead to gians to tell him that he trusts him and will help make him a great capo really does something to me. I find it very touching. I can really see why it made Gians heart race. I will forever be mad that theres no cg for it because isnt it peak cg moment??? why would we NOT have a cg of this moment ?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like that about him. I'm only getting more and more curious about him in Bad Egg, especially knowing he's going to dominate popularity polls. I wonder why they chose him out of all the side characters for the extra route? Was it planned that way from the start or did they want to use a character they had already created and introduced in the original game? At least they finally taught him how to dress lol.

Spoiler

Ok, the club scene was peak. Luchino sending everyone away just because he thought Gian was feeling bad made me melt a little. And then he follows that up with his declaration of faith and loyalty? It needed a cg! It's getting harder to not start looking for fanart.
I'm also enjoying how we get to watch Gian slowly start to realize his feelings for what they are. I wonder how far Luchino has gotten on that front yet? I mean we the whole "I'm not gay, but..." H-scene earlier. Which was, like all the scenes in the hut, totally wild. He went pretty quick from "I don't want to see your face" to "turn around a look at me."

 

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Towa's personality was such a risky character choice. I can so easily see a different timeline where they fail to make him compelling enough to be interested in, let alone able drive the story. But they nailed it, and the game wouldn't be nearly as great without him. I think my two fav's are Fujieda and Taku. I like Taku's personality more, but Fujieda's route was so good. You are so brave for publicly admitting you like Madarame lol. I liked his route, but I definitely read it as more of a horror story. There were a lot of moments that unsettled me and made me emotional. Like I had grown to love the Towa/Taku/Rei squad and it felt so lonely being forcibly pulled away from them. It's a bit of a shame he's been turned into Mink2.0, when I think his route has much stronger storytelling. But I'm always happy to hear people liking the older guys. I'd really like to see more of them in blvn's honestly.

I think sometimes towa is just edgy to be edgy, but it doesnt happen that often (except when he says he wants to eat cigarettes and alcohol lol). What they did good is that VERY early in the game they let you guess that he has a difficult past and you get to see all his self destructive behaviors. So they wanted to make it clear that he had more to offer than just being a skinny edgelord.
Fujiedas route is great! But he himself isnt that great imo, i dont find him particularily interesting. He has good moments at the end of the game tho! And i think he looked way better with his glasses haha pls give them back
Madarame : one of the reasons i think madarames route is great is because they managed to portray an abuser with some realistic tactics. When he implies to Towa that Taku is lying to him ? When he tells Towa that he doesnt belong with Taku/Rei ? That scene where Rei tries to get Towa back but Towa just can't bring himself to come back to them? I think all this is good. Also, what makes it more realistic too is that Towa and Madarame indeed are a good match in many ways and you can see they love each other. One of slow damages weak points imo is that in Taku and Reis routes i had a hard time believing in the love between them especially on Towas side. He didnt seem in love to me. Same for most of Fujiedas route, but Fujieda is a little different since at the end of the route they have a few amazing bonding moments together, but besides that i think they dont really have that much alchemy. Madarames route is the only one where i could feel that Towa was indeed in love with him, and same for Madarame. Also, why do they have more romantic moments/declarations than all the other LIs lmao? And MAdarames route is good because its the only route where Towa doesnt try to "heal" or go back to the light, but regresses instead. It makes such a strong contrast with Taku/Rei, and later with Fujieda too. and damn his tattoos look soooo good
One thing i dont really understand is that when people say they like for ex Shiki from Togainu no chi no one really cares and he is the most popular LI (or Keisuke idk), but when you say you liked Madarame or Mink its a whole different story.
(oh btw i loved minks long hair in reconnect, since we talked about long hair)

While I think Slow Damage is their strongest game, it's definitly not my fav of theirs. Lamento will remain the king of my heart. I fell in love with the setting and characters. I love the whole feel of the game and really like Konoe as a protagonist. Rai's route is so beautifully made and I love the progression of his relationship with Konoe. Aoba's Grandma is 100% a queen and I loved that they gave her VA a role in Slow Damage. Clear, Noiz, and Kojaku were all great. I was, and still am a little bit lol, obsessed with Clear. I think he's so sweet and interactions with Aoba were really funny. I've got a lot of thoughts about Sweet Pool. While I didn't love any of the routes, I think its a great horror game with a lot to say.

Lamentos strong points is the settings and music imo. Some musics stayed with me for years. Same for the figure of the Poet.
I like Clear as a character too (btw his VA is Gians new VA in bad egg haha) but i wasnt a fan of his pairing with Aoba. Not that i dislike it or anything, i just didnt care that much and i prefered Aoba with Koujaku/Noiz. And his apron cg is iconic.
I think the exact same thing about sweet pool!

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels like that about him. I'm only getting more and more curious about him in Bad Egg, especially knowing he's going to dominate popularity polls. I wonder why they chose him out of all the side characters for the extra route? Was it planned that way from the start or did they want to use a character they had already created and introduced in the original game? At least they finally taught him how to dress lol.

I think one reason he is now the most popular LI is part because he is the "new" one and you have a whole veeeeeery long game to get to be around him. But he also has very great moments. It took me really long to get to accept him tho, but now i like him even if i dont wish for Gian to be with him for various reasons. I think my fav pairings are in this order : Luchino-Bernardo-Bakshi/Ivan(idk which one lol)-Giulio.
And im not so sure but it seemed they already had plans for him early on because he appears in several side games and you can unlock cgs of him just like with the other LIs (but no H cg). I wonder if even in the og game they had plans for him but didnt include them.
Yes i love his bad egg outfit ! its a sexy fit, and i love his sprite redrawing, he looks a loooooot better. He still is allergic to tshirts tho

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Ok, the club scene was peak. Luchino sending everyone away just because he thought Gian was feeling bad made me melt a little. And then he follows that up with his declaration of faith and loyalty? It needed a cg! It's getting harder to not start looking for fanart.
I'm also enjoying how we get to watch Gian slowly start to realize his feelings for what they are. I wonder how far Luchino has gotten on that front yet? I mean we the whole "I'm not gay, but..." H-scene earlier. Which was, like all the scenes in the hut, totally wild. He went pretty quick from "I don't want to see your face" to "turn around a look at me."

it's great, right? we NEED that cg asap. I was hoping we would get it in the switch ver since a few moments which didnt get cgs now had one, but we still didnt... wth. What i love about Luchino is that he doesnt seem like that when you first meet him but he pays a lot of attention to people around him and he is sooo nice.
which H scene do you mean? The hut one ? or did you also get to the H scene of his route?
yeah all hut scenes are wild in their own ways lol. Them both being excited over this is def not straight.
Luchino is bisexual/pansexual imo. I mean, even in his first cg in the prison he tells gian that even if "men arent his thing" he can "train" gian so? I think he is just someone open to many things in general. He just wants to enjoy everything life has to offer lmao

 

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I think sometimes towa is just edgy to be edgy, but it doesnt happen that often (except when he says he wants to eat cigarettes and alcohol lol). What they did good is that VERY early in the game they let you guess that he has a difficult past and you get to see all his self destructive behaviors. So they wanted to make it clear that he had more to offer than just being a skinny edgelord.

I love that he's a little edgelord lol. The story does a great job introducing and the slowly revealing traumas/past. I never felt like one route gave everything away, like some games tend to do. Aside from the edginess, his passiveness was a really risky choice of character trait. They walk that line of passive in most aspects of life, but still let him take an active role in important things like when sets his sights on a new euphoria target. Rei's route was the hardest for me to see the feelings between them and, imo, the weakest route of the four. Towa's passiveness becomes a major hindrance when Rei basically up and leaves for most of his own route. While the others force him to interact with their LI, we don't get that same driving force with Rei. So I spent a lot of his route going, dang sure would like to see Rei...

Madarame : one of the reasons i think madarames route is great is because they managed to portray an abuser with some realistic tactics. When he implies to Towa that Taku is lying to him ? When he tells Towa that he doesnt belong with Taku/Rei ? That scene where Rei tries to get Towa back but Towa just can't bring himself to come back to them? I think all this is good. Also, what makes it more realistic too is that Towa and Madarame indeed are a good match in many ways and you can see they love each other. One of slow damages weak points imo is that in Taku and Reis routes i had a hard time believing in the love between them especially on Towas side. He didnt seem in love to me. Same for most of Fujiedas route, but Fujieda is a little different since at the end of the route they have a few amazing bonding moments together, but besides that i think they dont really have that much alchemy. Madarames route is the only one where i could feel that Towa was indeed in love with him, and same for Madarame. Also, why do they have more romantic moments/declarations than all the other LIs lmao? And MAdarames route is good because its the only route where Towa doesnt try to "heal" or go back to the light, but regresses instead. It makes such a strong contrast with Taku/Rei, and later with Fujieda too. and damn his tattoos look soooo good
One thing i dont really understand is that when people say they like for ex Shiki from Togainu no chi no one really cares and he is the most popular LI (or Keisuke idk), but when you say you liked Madarame or Mink its a whole different story.
(oh btw i loved minks long hair in reconnect, since we talked about long hair)

Madarame felt very real. Which is why I think his route made me so uncomfortable, the scene with Rei in particular. In a more abstract sense, I've always seen Madarame to also metaphor for the temptation to fall back into self-destructive habits. Rei, Taku, and Fujieda deal with the Towa of the present and work to help him grow and heal. Madarame lives in the past. He tells Towa that he used to be a better, truer version of himself. I immediately thought of people with a history of substance abuse getting clean and being told similar things by people who continue to use. Or anyone really who left an old life behind to try and be a better person. Old habits are easy to slip into and Towa is more easily effected than most with his passive nature. He just needed one person to pull him back and the small amount of progress he made with Rei and Taku was gone.
Fujieda has a really strong ending with some great bonding moments, but honestly I think he himself is just alright. Most of my love for him comes from how much I loved the ending of the game overall. In Taku's route I felt a good amount of chemistry, but I may be biased because his route had a ton of tropes I like. His whole, "I can't protect you so I might as well kill you," was chef's kiss.
Even Madarame haters have to acknowledge that he's hot.
I'll be the first one to say I don't get the Shiki hype, that's my N+C hot take, sorry everyone. But I think the people who hate Mink and Madarame are probably the type to have only played those two games and not much else in genre. So they're not as used to the typical content warnings. It makes those two stand out in from the other relatively more "romantic" routes. The people playing far enough back to hit TnC are much more likely to have experience with the darker themes present in blvn's. But that's just what I've seen lurking in the game tags.

I think one reason he is now the most popular LI is part because he is the "new" one and you have a whole veeeeeery long game to get to be around him. But he also has very great moments. It took me really long to get to accept him tho, but now i like him even if i dont wish for Gian to be with him for various reasons. I think my fav pairings are in this order : Luchino-Bernardo-Bakshi/Ivan(idk which one lol)-Giulio.
And im not so sure but it seemed they already had plans for him early on because he appears in several side games and you can unlock cgs of him just like with the other LIs (but no H cg). I wonder if even in the og game they had plans for him but didnt include them.
Yes i love his bad egg outfit ! its a sexy fit, and i love his sprite redrawing, he looks a loooooot better. He still is allergic to tshirts tho

From what I've experienced of him so far, they got their work cut out for them to get me to like him. I'm looking forward to seeing it. It's super interesting you've got him tied with Ivan tho.
I'm honestly pretty suprised to see they had him in so much after the first game. That feels to me like they had a plan for him, but for some reason or another couldn't put him in the first game. Maybe the plans for a censored release with an extra route, like how DMMD added Mizuki.

it's great, right? we NEED that cg asap. I was hoping we would get it in the switch ver since a few moments which didnt get cgs now had one, but we still didnt... wth. What i love about Luchino is that he doesnt seem like that when you first meet him but he pays a lot of attention to people around him and he is sooo nice.
which H scene do you mean? The hut one ? or did you also get to the H scene of his route?
yeah all hut scenes are wild in their own ways lol. Them both being excited over this is def not straight.
Luchino is bisexual/pansexual imo. I mean, even in his first cg in the prison he tells gian that even if "men arent his thing" he can "train" gian so? I think he is just someone open to many things in general. He just wants to enjoy everything life has to offer lmao

Time to start a letter writting campaign to Tennenouji! I meant the hut one. I still gotta go back and get the Ivan ones I somehow managed to miss... I don't know if Im prepared for how wild that one might be.
I did get to the first proper H-scene of his route today and it was just as wild lol. Specifically, Gian saying it's better then Luchino doing drugs. I was shocked to see Luchino pull out coke. It's a mafia story, but hard drugs was something they steered pretty clear of up until this point. And then after thinking that Gian immdiatly clocks it as a very "unstraight" thought lol. Somehow Gian, I think you're going to become Luchino's new drug.

 

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I completely agree on Madarame being the temptation to fall back into old habits! Thats what makes his route good for this game too. I saw people saying his route doesnt make sense in a game about "healing" but i dont agree for all the reasons we talked about. But i can understand when people dont like Madarames pairing with Towa ofc

Fujieda has a really strong ending with some great bonding moments, but honestly I think he himself is just alright. Most of my love for him comes from how much I loved the ending of the game overall.

With Fujieda theres many missed opportunities. Their only links are Fujiedas sister and the fact that both he and Towa were victims of abuse. But we dont get to hear about Fujiedas past that much, which would have been a good way to make him more interesting. Also, whats with that ra/pe scene which didnt make any sense at all??

I'll be the first one to say I don't get the Shiki hype, that's my N+C hot take, sorry everyone. But I think the people who hate Mink and Madarame are probably the type to have only played those two games and not much else in genre. So they're not as used to the typical content warnings. It makes those two stand out in from the other relatively more "romantic" routes. The people playing far enough back to hit TnC are much more likely to have experience with the darker themes present in blvn's. But that's just what I've seen lurking in the game tags.

I liked shikis face and i loved his endings. His route was very interesting and heartbreaking (for akira). For Togainu its either i hated a route or i really loved it, all or nothing. Imo, without Keisuke and Shiki, Togainu is kinda mid.
True that Mink stands out in dmmd. But also, dmmd has virus and trip and they arent that hated on so? even though their reconnect route is... traumatizing ?
Huum i think togainu is part of the first blvns people play too. I mean, it was my second one (after dmmd/dmmd reconnect) and its def one of the most easy to access games, because it has been translated into english long ago, its a n+c game, and it looks more "mainstream" than lamento or sweet pool

From what I've experienced of him so far, they got their work cut out for them to get me to like him. I'm looking forward to seeing it. It's super interesting you've got him tied with Ivan tho.

haha i put him with ivan because idk which pairing/dynamic i like the most, not because they are alike. But tbh i like all LD1 pairings, except giulio (sorry.......)
yep i was the same as you and usually changing my mind is hard, so they def did a good job with bad egg bakshi. Also, on a side note : im not a guilio fan at all but i loved all his scenes in the bad egg main route too.

Time to start a letter writting campaign to Tennenouji! I meant the hut one. I still gotta go back and get the Ivan ones I somehow managed to miss... I don't know if Im prepared for how wild that one might be.
I did get to the first proper H-scene of his route today and it was just as wild lol. Specifically, Gian saying it's better then Luchino doing drugs. I was shocked to see Luchino pull out coke. It's a mafia story, but hard drugs was something they steered pretty clear of up until this point. And then after thinking that Gian immdiatly clocks it as a very "unstraight" thought lol. Somehow Gian, I think you're going to become Luchino's new drug.

Ivans hut scenes are the wildest imo lmao.
So, what did you think of that first H scene ? im all ears...............

 

[Gappy]

With Fujieda theres many missed opportunities. Their only links are Fujiedas sister and the fact that both he and Towa were victims of abuse. But we dont get to hear about Fujiedas past that much, which would have been a good way to make him more interesting. Also, whats with that ra/pe scene which didnt make any sense at all??

I definitely agree that they missed some opportunities. If Fujieda wasn't tied up with being the "true" ending I think they would have explored things a lot more. He needed a little more space to breath outside of Towa's larger plot. That scene in the park stuck out to me too as being out of nowhere. My only explanation was that he regressed and wanted to hurt Towa in the most base way he could think of. But even then, it felt out of place and almost like a farce. Since Fujieda is trying to legitimately, but Towa likes that sort of thing and seeks it out himself, it gave the scene a strange and dark sense of humor.

I liked shikis face and i loved his endings. His route was very interesting and heartbreaking (for akira). For Togainu its either i hated a route or i really loved it, all or nothing. Imo, without Keisuke and Shiki, Togainu is kinda mid.
True that Mink stands out in dmmd. But also, dmmd has virus and trip and they arent that hated on so? even though their reconnect route is... traumatizing ?
Huum i think togainu is part of the first blvns people play too. I mean, it was my second one (after dmmd/dmmd reconnect) and its def one of the most easy to access games, because it has been translated into english long ago, its a n+c game, and it looks more "mainstream" than lamento or sweet pool

I also feel like Togainu is the weakest of the bunch. I got a lot of my enjoyment looking at and for the building blocks they'd go on to use in later games. I did like Motomi though.
Oh lord, I'll be so real and honest. I forgot about those two... Or maybe more like I blocked them out. Their reconnect route was pretty brutal and really stuck with me when I read it the first time. I liked them fine in the regular game, but that ending...
Huh, I didn't realize so many people got into it so quick. It's definitely more "mainstream" than Lamento or Sweet Pool. At least Sweet Pool is easy for people to download, I know more people would like Lamento if they didnt have to go through the patching process.

Ivans hut scenes are the wildest imo lmao.
So, what did you think of that first H scene ? im all ears...............

Ivan, man, what are you going to do to him?

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What a fun H-scene. Gian has really come to care about Luchino. It started slow while he was figuring things out for himself, but Luchino spiraling really pushed him to realize things. Luchino was so sweet with him the whole time too, a nice break from the other's first H-scenes. Like, we had a proper warmup and he made sure Gian was comfortable? Unheard of lol.
Luchino's been such a calm and collected guy so far. It was interesting to see that facade crumble and what he would do about. He's gotten mad before, but nothing's made him act so lost and upset. The self-medication via coke was a surprise. I'm glad Gian was there, otherwise I can see how things could've easily get worse if he continued to dip into the "merchandise." I'm looking forward to getting to learn more about his past.

As Luchino Fan #1, what did you think of it?

 

[testeeee]

I also feel like Togainu is the weakest of the bunch. I got a lot of my enjoyment looking at and for the building blocks they'd go on to use in later games. I did like Motomi though.
Oh lord, I'll be so real and honest. I forgot about those two...

you have a thing for old men, right?
maybe ViTri are left out of discussions because they arent actually LIs, as opposed to Mink? But also, they do have a whole big route in reconnect so...

Ivan, man, what are you going to do to him?

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What a fun H-scene. Gian has really come to care about Luchino. It started slow while he was figuring things out for himself, but Luchino spiraling really pushed him to realize things. Luchino was so sweet with him the whole time too, a nice break from the other's first H-scenes. Like, we had a proper warmup and he made sure Gian was comfortable? Unheard of lol.
Luchino's been such a calm and collected guy so far. It was interesting to see that facade crumble and what he would do about. He's gotten mad before, but nothing's made him act so lost and upset. The self-medication via coke was a surprise. I'm glad Gian was there, otherwise I can see how things could've easily get worse if he continued to dip into the "merchandise." I'm looking forward to getting to learn more about his past.

As Luchino Fan #1, what did you think of it?

As you can guess, i really like that H scene even if a few things are a little weird. First, i indeed like that Luchino asked for gians consent. He kissed him first but then its gian who had to kiss luchino to continue. He did a little warm up too. And then he asked Gian if he wanted his D. Also, it wasnt a break from the H moments because the ways to ask were hot imo. I was taken aback tho when gian asked if Luchino would stop if gian asked for it and he said "impossible" because idk if he meant impossible to not d!ck him or impossible to stop once he started penetrating. I think its the latter but both are bad, but anyway. I was also surprised by the lack of actual preparation before starting the penetration because even if Luchino goes slow and is a little lubricated theres no way it wasnt painful. But anyway, if both characters said it wasnt a problem then ig ill let myself believe it.
I loved gians whole train of thoughts during the whole scene. And damn im so weak for the sweet attentions from Luchino and playful talking they did. Their interactions were cute. And idk, i felt so happy for Gian because its obvious he was physically attracted to Luchino (even before the start of his route) and it only kept growing, so when he finally got a touch from him i was happy. Whenever Luchino appeared or did something in the common route Gian was like "damn he is so hot... and strong..." it was so funny.
Also, i love that in the H scene Gian reaaally enjoyed it. Spasming, not being able to breath, etc. Thats what i wish for my bottoms.

 

[Gappy]

you have a thing for old men, right?
maybe ViTri are left out of discussions because they arent actually LIs, as opposed to Mink? But also, they do have a whole big route in reconnect so...

Guilty lol. I think they're fun and I like LI's that are a little more mature. I think it helps bring some variety to all the younger LI's. Even though 35 is treated as geriatirc in yaoi years...
It wouldn't surprise me if that's why they're typically left out. If their reconnect route wasn't like... that, they might be discussed more.

As you can guess, i really like that H scene even if a few things are a little weird. First, i indeed like that Luchino asked for gians consent. He kissed him first but then its gian who had to kiss luchino to continue. He did a little warm up too. And then he asked Gian if he wanted his D. Also, it wasnt a break from the H moments because the ways to ask were hot imo. I was taken aback tho when gian asked if Luchino would stop if gian asked for it and he said "impossible" because idk if he meant impossible to not d!ck him or impossible to stop once he started penetrating. I think its the latter but both are bad, but anyway. I was also surprised by the lack of actual preparation before starting the penetration because even if Luchino goes slow and is a little lubricated theres no way it wasnt painful. But anyway, if both characters said it wasnt a problem then ig ill let myself believe it.
I loved gians whole train of thoughts during the whole scene. And damn im so weak for the sweet attentions from Luchino and playful talking they did. Their interactions were cute. And idk, i felt so happy for Gian because its obvious he was physically attracted to Luchino (even before the start of his route) and it only kept growing, so when he finally got a touch from him i was happy. Whenever Luchino appeared or did something in the common route Gian was like "damn he is so hot... and strong..." it was so funny.
Also, i love that in the H scene Gian reaaally enjoyed it. Spasming, not being able to breath, etc. Thats what i wish for my bottoms.

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All the fanfiction I've read has really inoculated me against being bothered by the lack of lube/prep. I'll note it, but it doesn't bother me as much as it used to. Though it would be nice to see some more actual prep. I don't like it'll interrupt things like I assume many writers think.
Gian was having the time of his life though so I was happy for him. Aside from the car scene with Ivan, I feel like this has been the most into it Gian's been so far. His constant complients for Luchino in the common route were great and, like, me too man.
I think playful is a great way to describe those two's relationship so far. I love the cigarette swapping, Luchino feeding him the bad food at the pier, ribbing him at the abbey and all their other goofy interactions so far. They have a lot of fun together when the situation isn't serious. And when it is serious, there's also a lot of trust between the two. I've just gotten to the point where Luchino tortures the two GD guys and gets info on the boss. When Gian starts to leave, Luchino hesitates at first but then quickly follows because he trusts him. And they get some extra info! But now Luchino's asking him to keep quiet about the Boss' location and both Gian and I are like, why??? But we're both going to have to trust he's got a plan.
Also that torture scene was pretty brutal. Another moment I'm reminded they're mafia.

 

[testeeee]

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All the fanfiction I've read has really inoculated me against being bothered by the lack of lube/prep. I'll note it, but it doesn't bother me as much as it used to. Though it would be nice to see some more actual prep. I don't like it'll interrupt things like I assume many writers think.
Gian was having the time of his life though so I was happy for him. Aside from the car scene with Ivan, I feel like this has been the most into it Gian's been so far. His constant complients for Luchino in the common route were great and, like, me too man.
I think playful is a great way to describe those two's relationship so far. I love the cigarette swapping, Luchino feeding him the bad food at the pier, ribbing him at the abbey and all their other goofy interactions so far. They have a lot of fun together when the situation isn't serious. And when it is serious, there's also a lot of trust between the two. I've just gotten to the point where Luchino tortures the two GD guys and gets info on the boss. When Gian starts to leave, Luchino hesitates at first but then quickly follows because he trusts him. And they get some extra info! But now Luchino's asking him to keep quiet about the Boss' location and both Gian and I are like, why??? But we're both going to have to trust he's got a plan.
Also that torture scene was pretty brutal. Another moment I'm reminded they're mafia.

Yes, all these playful interactions make me think they are a good match together. Gian is too fun to be with someone he cant really joke with imo, but he can joke a lot with Bernardo and Luchino. Its entertaining to watch Gian making fun of Ivan too, but the jokes are one sided yk? And Giulio well, thats Giulio.
I also love that after the first H scene Gian just kinda keeps thinking about it and wishing it happened again. Every time Luchino touched him after their first H scene Gian was very flustered, its cute.
In a lot of BLVNs ive read its mostly the top who wants to have s3x so whenever the one who bottoms is obviously s3xually attracted to the other character im very happy. I need bottoms to want to touch those abs and to want the D. Please.

 

[Gappy]

Yes, all these playful interactions make me think they are a good match together. Gian is too fun to be with someone he cant really joke with imo, but he can joke a lot with Bernardo and Luchino. Its entertaining to watch Gian making fun of Ivan too, but the jokes are one sided yk? And Giulio well, thats Giulio.
I also love that after the first H scene Gian just kinda keeps thinking about it and wishing it happened again. Every time Luchino touched him after their first H scene Gian was very flustered, its cute.

Poor Ivan doomed to forever be our comedy relief. Jk, I think its great. It is nice to have someone who can reciprocate though. Giulio... I really wonder what the dynamic is going to be like on his route. In the interactions we've had so far he's been a bit of a brick wall when it comes to Gian's goofing around.

Luchino's route complete! I haven't done the bad end yet, but I have a suspicion on what it might be. If it's Bakshi, then I might just skip it tbh. But overall I really enjoyed it.
More specific thoughts:

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First off, I don't think anything could have prepared me for the second H-scene. I was keeping in mind what you said about it having the scenario writer's fav kink, but I wasnt expecting that. Every other kink has been relatively vanilla so far, so when Luchino opened the bathroom door I was screaming lol. I won't kink shame tho. It's not my thing, mostly I was really caught off guard. Bernardo's outdoor scene has been the least vanilla so far, outside of bad ends. I do have some suspicions about Giulio, but I guess I'll have to see.

I loved when they dressed up as cops to infiltrate the GD hideout. The way the two were able to play off one another was great and there was just the right amount of tension wondering if the plan would work. I do regret playing it in a dark room though lol. All the effects they used for the gunshots were flashbanging me the whole time. Also Bakshi, my guy, the ceiling? Really??? I shouldn't be surprised though. The way that scene started to go, I really thought for a moment I accidentally made my way onto the bad end. All for him to get away when no one was looking He feels more like a force of chaos than a man.

I'm glad we finally got a proper explanation for what happened to his wife and child. What a terrible accident... I can understand why he secretly suspected the boss. It also makes me realize why he's so carefull and attentive to people now, to make up for his past. The final scene at the grave was so sweet. Luchino still loves them and is able to finally start getting closure and properly processing their loss. And Gian doesn't feel threated or hurt that he still loves them, even bringing flowers.

In a lot of BLVNs ive read its mostly the top who wants to have s3x so whenever the one who bottoms is obviously s3xually attracted to the other character im very happy. I need bottoms to want to touch those abs and to want the D. Please.

Facts. I think so many H-scenes could be greatly enhanced just by having the bottom initiate.

 

[testeeee]

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First off, I don't think anything could have prepared me for the second H-scene. I was keeping in mind what you said about it having the scenario writer's fav kink, but I wasnt expecting that. Every other kink has been relatively vanilla so far, so when Luchino opened the bathroom door I was screaming lol. I won't kink shame tho. It's not my thing, mostly I was really caught off guard. Bernardo's outdoor scene has been the least vanilla so far, outside of bad ends. I do have some suspicions about Giulio, but I guess I'll have to see.

I loved when they dressed up as cops to infiltrate the GD hideout. The way the two were able to play off one another was great and there was just the right amount of tension wondering if the plan would work. I do regret playing it in a dark room though lol. All the effects they used for the gunshots were flashbanging me the whole time. Also Bakshi, my guy, the ceiling? Really??? I shouldn't be surprised though. The way that scene started to go, I really thought for a moment I accidentally made my way onto the bad end. All for him to get away when no one was looking He feels more like a force of chaos than a man.

I'm glad we finally got a proper explanation for what happened to his wife and child. What a terrible accident... I can understand why he secretly suspected the boss. It also makes me realize why he's so carefull and attentive to people now, to make up for his past. The final scene at the grave was so sweet. Luchino still loves them and is able to finally start getting closure and properly processing their loss. And Gian doesn't feel threated or hurt that he still loves them, even bringing flowers.

Hahahaha that kink is several LD1 games. So be prepared. Its not my thing either tho
Also, the creators fav scene in the game is this Luchino one where he confronts the boss about the death of his family
and oooh you got his best end !! i had the other end when i first played his route because my omerta was too low by a few points. I had trouble getting that best end hahaha. Also i love the cg of the best end (the other good end i got had a cg in the switch ver, and its very beautiful too)

did you get the 3rd H scene too? id like to know that before talking about the 2nd one lol. But yeah same as you, when luchino opened that goddamn door i was like "dont tell me this is happening......" Btw i hate the 2nd H scene cgs. Gian, whats up with your feet ?????? and your face ? Unfortunately i think the luchino H scene cgs all look quite bad, except the first one maybe

concerning the end of the route :

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loved the cop outfits. Also, i love the end scene where everyone arrives at the hideout. Ivan stepping on GD corpses and saying GD are annoying even in death was great
ngl i remember that i also thought i made my way into the bad end because of bakshi jumping on Gian lmao. Glad it wasnt the case
yes, the grave part is so sweet. Gian trying to make Luchino feel better by saying they are def happy he keeps visiting them was so cute, my boy Gian was almost crying while saying it

 

[Gappy]

Hahahaha that kink is several LD1 games. So be prepared. Its not my thing either tho
Also, the creators fav scene in the game is this Luchino one where he confronts the boss about the death of his family
and oooh you got his best end !! i had the other end when i first played his route because my omerta was too low by a few points. I had trouble getting that best end hahaha. Also i love the cg of the best end (the other good end i got had a cg in the switch ver, and its very beautiful too)

Oh lord, thank you for the heads up. I'll start bracing myself lol. The boss confrontation was great. It's the best use of the boss I've seen so far.

Oh nice! I didn't realize it was his best end. I'm going to have to go back and get his normal one for sure. Did you play blind for the whole thing?

did you get the 3rd H scene too? id like to know that before talking about the 2nd one lol. But yeah same as you, when luchino opened that goddamn door i was like "dont tell me this is happening......" Btw i hate the 2nd H scene cgs. Gian, whats up with your feet ?????? and your face ? Unfortunately i think the luchino H scene cgs all look quite bad, except the first one maybe

I didn't. I'm guessing its in the normal end? or do you mean the shower scene right after the bathroom one? But yeah, the 2nd scenes cg's were a little scuffed tbh. I've noticed for some cg's the faces will look a little strange when they're drawn at an angle.

concerning the end of the route :

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loved the cop outfits. Also, i love the end scene where everyone arrives at the hideout. Ivan stepping on GD corpses and saying GD are annoying even in death was great
ngl i remember that i also thought i made my way into the bad end because of bakshi jumping on Gian lmao. Glad it wasnt the case
yes, the grave part is so sweet. Gian trying to make Luchino feel better by saying they are def happy he keeps visiting them was so cute, my boy Gian was almost crying while saying it

I took a chance and went back for his bad ending and I'm glad I did. It was sad, but I liked it. Having him also die accidentally was a great choice, but oof Gian's screams at the end hurt. It's almost a shame it cut off right after, I would have liked a little look into his future without Luchino.
Once I get Luchino's normal end, Im off to finally go see Giulio.

 

[testeeee]

Oh nice! I didn't realize it was his best end. I'm going to have to go back and get his normal one for sure. Did you play blind for the whole thing?

yes i always play my games blind. I also dont check for the triggers because it spoils stuff (i can do this because i can get mad at some stuff, but not triggered)
Only if i really cant find a specific end or cg will i check walkthroughs. You ?
For LD1 i had to check how to get Luchinos best end and hut scenes, and maybe a few other hut scenes. Also, i was missing a few dialogues from various LIs for completion.

I didn't. I'm guessing its in the normal end? or do you mean the shower scene right after the bathroom one? But yeah, the 2nd scenes cg's were a little scuffed tbh. I've noticed for some cg's the faces will look a little strange when they're drawn at an angle.

Yes i mean that scene !! Its 2 separate H scenes, because you can have the pee one but without the shower one . So yeah you got both H scenes.
Now that you confirmed you got them i can ask you : what did you think of both scenes ?

I took a chance and went back for his bad ending and I'm glad I did. It was sad, but I liked it. Having him also die accidentally was a great choice, but oof Gian's screams at the end hurt. It's almost a shame it cut off right after, I would have liked a little look into his future without Luchino.
Once I get Luchino's normal end, Im off to finally go see Giulio.

I love that ending. Its a very good one, but heartbreaking.

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It also shows us a vicious side of Gian. Gian imitating the voice of a child to make Luchinos dead daughter ask "papa why are you peeing yourself ?" was just straight up horrible. Like, in other LIs bad ends Gian acts bad because he has a personal reason to act bad (not forgiving them for assaulting him for ex) but for Luchino it was just out of malice because Luchino didnt do anything to him. He just acted weak and GDs provocations really went to his head. Gian was so disappointed to see the man he admires being pitiful because he is abusing substances. I agree, Gians scream was horrible. Dying on accident was great because it makes sense that Gian wouldnt want to kill Luchino, and also it makes the whole scene even more pitiful. I wouldve also loved to see the aftermaths because, just picturing Gian having to annonce to the other capos that he accidentaly killed Luchino... oh my. And Gian realizing that he had feelings for Luchino but killed him... heartbroken.

do you want to see the switch cgs maybe ?