Wow. A bit too far? criminalise Japanese Anime/Manga fans in the UK?

[Yee199]

Watch and give me your opinion.
Pretty stupid stuff, come on UK its only a manga/anime.
The video was made 4 years ago but the law is in effect as of right now.

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm... are they going to stalk everyone in the country or something? :/

 

[HatoriTakaya]

Can you briefly explain the law we're having a discussion about? Assuming it is something like 'what about the children' effect. I have a long opinion about people who doesn't think it through and go with populist movements.

 

[~SnowAngel~]

I would definitely like to see material like that to be gone. it corrupts people in various ways they won't reflect on. It's very similar to how the media is sending a message to girls of how to appear. believe me, things like this really don't help them any -.-~
as for Japan, I know that if they completely stopped selling this material, their market would have a serious problem. sad but true :/ Companies love the profit, and people love having an imaginary world. One could find a correlation between life problems and material like this~ not sure if it's been done yet, but I'll look into that sometime.
I do know that an extremely small number of girls may actually enjoy things like that, but often for different reasons.
Immersing into a world like that feels like someone cheating on you x-x. (really, the girl would feel like they're not enough. There might be a few other things aside from that, but I know that would be the most prevalent.)

 

[Hinode]

[MENTION=17020]~SnowAngel~[/MENTION]; Well, real girls are more important than 2d girls after all.
I suppose that you mean hentai/ecchi when you say that the girls feel themselves cheated on? I can understand it if that's what you mean. If you don't only mean hentai/ecchi then i have some things to get out of my mind... Isn't watching a normal anime without hentai/ecchi kinda at the same level of talking with another girl? I don't think that girls completely ignore their male friends when they get a boyfriend and i suppose that they don't stop watching shows on tv with males in them either?

 

[~SnowAngel~]

The majority of what happens between guys/girls in anime do not happen in real life. I know this, and my Japanese friend told me as well. He says that girls never say "atashi", only in anime. When people get so caught up in that stuff, their expectations of people in real life change. I doubt you've ever heard a girl talk about a romance novel? There's plenty of girls that would say [novel/movie] is good, while only a few would try to tell you why. Even if they know it's not real or it's hype, there's still things in that kind of media that make girls go crazy over guys. (in ways you might not have realized yet). hmm One popular example is the twilight series. A friend of mine describe it as an alluring or irresistible desire to be persued. My mom wouldn't let me read it because of vampires and stuff (Thought it was bad). So I got it from a friend and my mom read some of it and changed her mind XD. (so really, it's that powerful :p)

 

[Hinode]

[MENTION=17020]~SnowAngel~[/MENTION]; You're right with what you're saying, but doesn't that depend on how easy a person is affected? Almost like asking why the GTA series have a specific age on them while people who are younger than the required age still plays it without turning into a psycho who runs around killing people?

So i would say that it depends on how easy a person gets affected by it.
Imoutos are completely innocent and almost never do anything bad in animes but my imouto irl is a pain to spend time with since she has such a bad temper. I could never compare my imouto with one in the animes i've seen and it's because anime is fantasy. Same with girls/guys in animes and rl. I never expected anime to be like rl from the beginning. If it was like rl i could rather just walk outside and let the reality hit me in my face. :/

But it completely depends on who you speak with. I know that people can be affected by it as you say, just don't think that everyone gets affected :/

There was one thing i actually never understood with the twilight series and girls :/ Ask a girl why she loves a guy in twilight and you'll get the answer "he's a vampire :3"... Maybe you could bring some light to that? xD

 

[Monjster]

Just banning that kind of stuff is useless (I am mainly talking about ecchi/hentai stuff).

Your point that it affects young people and things like that. You can't go on and just ban what would affect them. If they are emotionally weak enough, they are bound to get affected by some other things. I know cause of myself, I can't even get myself to watch those (no, not cause I think it's gross, as I watch so many things that are much worse (blood and gore)).

I have to blame this one on parents (well most of them). Im lucky I have good parents so they raised me good and I can see what's wrong and what's right by myself and see things that will affect me like that.
Just going and banning things like this is useless. They (youngsters) will just find another source.

 

[~SnowAngel~]

So i would say that it depends on how easy a person gets affected by it.

Nope~ All people are effected by everything in their life, no matter how great or small. People neglect the things that often don't make immediate changes. You cannot sit in front of something all the time and say it won't or didn't effect you. (why else did people become aware of issues such as the messages in media?) It's even in psychology (subliminal messages). Slowly but surely people change. (if you write in a journal every once in a while, you'll notice how much a person changes).
A person full of pride would say they aren't as easily effected. While the changes may not be so apparent, it most certainly would overtime. It goes with the mentality of "just one more time."

I have to blame this one on parents (well most of them).

Parents are actually the least important to a child's social development. Research is beginning to point to that peers are far more important to what an individual is involved in or believes. The most significant thing that passes down is probably the parenting style. Unless the child is someone teachable and seeks/accepts wisdom, they would have the attitude of "don't tell me what to do" or somehow believing that seeking help shows weakness. I've had at least 1 good parent, and plenty of mentors. I've grown up learning things either through reflection or other adults. I've gotten most of my activities from my friends introducing them to me. Either case, a person is not like a sponge soaking up whatever is poured into them, neither are they like a rock where nothing effects them.

 

[Hinode]

[MENTION=17020]~SnowAngel~[/MENTION]; Of course things affect you in other ways, but everything doesn't?
If i were to play GTA and say that i like to be chased by the cops because it gives a bit more of the challenging aspect in the game does that mean that i'd like to get chased by the cops irl to get a bit more of a challenge irl? Obviously not.
Would i run around and kill people irl just because i did it on a game? Obviously not.
It's about the ammount it affects you and what it affects you with. Even though i play a game where i kill people i still wouldn't kill someone irl no matter how much i play the game. The only time i would kill someone would be in case someone were to do something with my imouto. But that has nothing to do with the game.

Just because you do/watch something that might effect you it doesn't have to mean that it effects you on just THAT thing, as i mentioned above. I don't really know how to explain it better except for saying that reality and fantasy is a difference. If a person on an anime all of a sudden would turn to the screen and say that i look like sh*t i obviously wouldn't care, but if a person irl told me the same thing i would get upset/angry/sad, now wouldn't i?

 

[Selvaria Bles]

if your wife feels threatened by a animated character there is something wrong in that picture.

there's a limit to the liking of said character.

 

[Baal]

I hope it doesn't end badly if I can do something about just like the world helped put SOPA on hiatus, I will help the UK.

 

[Selvaria Bles]

just don't go marrying your 3ds game and you will be fine :p

 

[Baal]

Wasn't planning on it, lol.

 

[Shir0]

EDIT: ok wrong thread. >_>

but aren't there more important issues than how anime/manga affect ppl???

 

[Baal]

I was wondering why you said that here. Lol

 

[Monjster]

[MENTION=17020]~SnowAngel~[/MENTION]; That peer stuff is total bs. It seems u could believe anything if they say "the study has shown".


Another real life example for ya. My lil bro, straight As student could choose any highschool to go to. He choses robotics (topic in highschool which is the worst in town, with only people with no hope or any brain go to). He is alredy 2nd year, still straight As student. No peers could affect him.

So with same parents as me, is it more likeable that two kids with completely same atittde were born, or were the parents teaching right?

 

[~SnowAngel~]

That peer stuff is total bs. It seems u could believe anything if they say "the study has shown".

Commercialized studies might not be as reliable. There are plenty of reliable scholar sources that explain the significance of each social role in a person's life.
http://elkhorn.unl.edu/epublic/pages/publicationD.jsp?publicationId=837

Summary

During adolescence, peers play a large part in a young person’s life even while the family continues to be significant. In general, peer friendships offer youth with many positive opportunities despite the negative connotations that peer relationships have to many of us. Peer relationships are actually important for healthy development and essential for youth to develop into healthy adults. Nonetheless, peer relationships also have the potential to encourage problem behaviors. Although the negative influence of peers is often over-emphasized, more can be done to help teenagers experience the family and the peer group as mutually constructive environments. To accomplish this, families, communities, churches, schools, 4-H and other youth groups can all contribute to helping youth develop positive peer relationships, and deflect negative peer pressures and influences.

Keep in mind that things like this have been thoroughly study, reviewed, and revised over decades. Unless you've read the research, seen the world, and thought outside of your own head, you'd never have anything more than an opinion.

My lil bro, straight As student could choose any highschool to go to. He choses robotics (topic in highschool which is the worst in town, with only people with no hope or any brain go to). He is alredy 2nd year, still straight As student. No peers could affect him.

So did he never have friends? relatives? no one at school? Hearing it from his side would be completely different and well-explained more than you've given.

So with same parents as me, is it more likely that two kids with the completely same attitudes were born, or were the parents teaching right?

Genetics is part of that. A child is not destined to be exactly like their parents in some way. (two brown-haired and brown-eyed parents can have a blond-haired and blue eye child.) Their interests may differ greatly as well. Even mutations such as down-syndrome could be taken into account. Their environment is just as important as Genetics too.
Beyond that, the child decides who's important in their life. They are more open to learn from them, go to them when in trouble, etc. There are often things that children or teens will tell their friends, but not their parents. They learn to talk to people in different ways depending on who it is. (an authority, in public, friends, siblings, classmates, teachers, a foreigner etc.)
Social skills goes in hand with Emotional Intelligence. It's been said that a high EI may be more valuable than a high IQ. (*note, a high IQ isn't always a good thing).


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if your wife feels threatened by a animated character there is something wrong in that picture.
there's a limit to the liking of said character.

Would you give up certain anime for your wife? I know that there's some they'd be okay with, but the explicit things most definitely needs to go. Would you watch that in front of your children? There's lots of important things you should decide early in life, because it's much more difficult to break habits once you're past 24.

 

[Hinode]

Would you give up certain anime for your wife? I know that there's some they'd be okay with, but the explicit things most definitely needs to go. Would you watch that in front of your children? There's lots of important things you should decide early in life, because it's much more difficult to break habits once you're past 24.

I can understand hentai/ecchi animes though, and yes i would ditch them. That would be common sense to me, you know.

Also, i think i'll stay out of this. It feels like i'll just end up talking about personal opinions that ends up being wrong because of what the system says

 

[Monjster]

[MENTION=17020]~SnowAngel~[/MENTION];

Even in that class he has many friends. I noticed that as they keep talking over mobile phone and stuff. Yet they can't have any bad influence on him. I know him, and the reason he doesn't get influenced is cause he knows what he wants to grow up and he knows how to get it (a lot different from my lazy ass lol).


Kid telling their parents about their problems is again connected to the behavior. If they were always open kid will be more open to them too and will talk about problems more. But still, yes, there are things kids wouldn't talk about with they parents.

My theory is that kids who get affected much by their peers are the ones who don't see their parents as role models. And all the things they dont pick up from their parents, they will do from their peers and TV/Internet.

All those peers (so all kids) have their own parents, and the reason why they are like they are. And that again comes from how they parents are like. If all parents suceeded in teaching their kids good values, u think there would be a problem?
Than there would be no "bad" peers for kids to be affected by

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Hmm too much generalization going on here...

Tell them to ban porn too ;p Lets see how that works out~

 

[Hinode]

They'll probably have a huge mob outside their door who will beat the crap out of everyone that get too close :/

 

[Karlotto]

^Exactly. 'Member when they banned beer? That worked out well for everyone...

And as far as this personality thing goes, more things go into a person`s behavior than their parents/peers/etc. You have to take into account their self esteem, their base personality (which is, of course, directly influenced by their environment in childhood so you got me on that one.) and any mental defects they may have (Personality disorders, depression, schizophrenia etc.). I hardly see studies that focus on these aspects. It`s always the people around them growing up, which like I said, does affect them, but you can raise someone in a perfect environment and still have them grow up to be sociopathic killers. Conversely, you could put someone in a horrible environment and they could grow up to be a rich successful individual. It all depends on how they let things affect them. Like it or not, people are affect by everything in different ways, some not being affected at all. You also have to consider their self control. For example, I`m bipolar to the extreme, and as such I have all the uh...thoughts...that come along with it, but do I go out and maim people? No. I realise it`s wrong, and have enough control and sense to keep myself from doing it.

Personally, I believe that anyone who tries to blame a persons actions on something other than the individual is simply confused and grasping at the easiest possible explanation. (A simple case of Occam's razor being put into effect.) Now, this of course is not always the case, every situation is different and should be treated as such, but every situation should also explore every possible answer instead of simply resorting to the easiest one. "He did it because of *enter influence here*" is not always the case, though unfortunately it is always what people assume. And for any number of studies that say otherwise, there are the same amount that say the opposite.

The mind is a complex thing, and in the centuries since we began exploring it, it has always eluded us at every corner, and I believe it will continue to elude us until we finally accept that it is too complex to be generalized and/or explained.

 

[Ghost Kitty~]

Lol well the case with beer is slightly different in terms of popularity... I do wonder how many will rise up to fight this...

 

[Karlotto]

Probably not that many unless it begins to become widespread...like it is...
While porn is potentially harmful, banning it is by no means the solution. All a ban does is create a Streisand effect, that is, it increases popularity and creates curiosity among those who haven`t been involved with it, "They banned it...it must be pretty crazy. Should probably check it out.", and makes those that have very very angry. "Oh my God, they killed porn!" "Those bastards!" (South Park reference anyone?)

I know alotta people who hated him that voted Obama`s way this past election solely because Romney said he was gonna crack down on porn in America, which is kinda sad if you think about it but if that gives any indication, I`d say a lot.