[ILLUSION] Honey♥Select (ハニーセレクト) - Discussion & FAQ

ok cool I think I got it. Now another problem. My previous studio scenes do not work. They just make my character T pose? Why? I reinstalled the ui translation mod and 22nd patch. I also cant access the Ik nodes button at all?

EDIT: just noticed ALL of my animations are gone ion studio after the dlc? Maybe that is a hint as to what is going on?

EDIT2: Is there an illusion plugin architecture patch or something? I feel like that would be it but it is the same version?

EDIT3: apparently I had to install the iso twice? wtf? @_@
 
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ok cool I think I got it. Now another problem. My previous studio scenes do not work. They just make my character T pose? Why? I reinstalled the ui translation mod and 22nd patch. I also cant access the Ik nodes button at all?

EDIT: just noticed ALL of my animations are gone ion studio after the dlc? Maybe that is a hint as to what is going on?

EDIT2: Is there an illusion plugin architecture patch or something? I feel like that would be it but it is the same version?

EDIT3: apparently I had to install the iso twice? wtf? @_@

i had a similar problem, just don't use the new patch
 
I've installed the latest patch (after a fresh game install) and only two new maps and some clothing is coming up, are there new positions as well? I think I've installed everything correctly
 
Re: [ILLUSION] Honey♥Select (ハニーセレクト) Christmas update

And yet another update from ILLUSION (released on 12/26) [...]

I'm going to mirror this one on MEGA and MediaFire since it's probably going to be the last (or second-to-last) update to this game. I'll add the links to this post and to the OP as soon as I finish uploading the files.
Starting from here, I will only maintain mirrors of the very last update to Honey Select and delete the previous ones to make room on my cloud drives. As long as he intends to keep them online, I will nevertheless keep the links to the files mirrored by [MENTION=88444]MegaKameha[/MENTION] in the first post (send me a message if you pull them down, mate).


The guys from Illusion are going to take their Winter vacation starting next weekend, and resume operation around January 10th. It's highly probable that they will leave this game behind after their break to focus on their upcoming projects, so I don't expect any more content for Honey Select in 2017.

Prepare for a long wait before any new announcement. VR Kanojo is scheduled for February 28th, and they're probably working on a "flat" non-VR game in the meantime, but they will probably wait for their upcoming title to be released (or close to release) before advertising a new one. Expect them to still try on keeping us hyped for their future game, though : chances are high they'll disclose a few teasers in their yearly "Lab" update in the upcoming months.

Until then, Honey Select is going to stay the go-to Illusion title to mod and play, so even if Illusion steps down on support, there's still a long road ahead. I just hope modders won't lose interest in the title before we have a new shiny toy to replace it.


PS: A bit late, but Merry Christmas to all of you glorious bastards !



Edit : And here's the update.

12/26 : Additionnal Data + Studio Ver.6 (hotfix)

honey_03_plus1226ss.exe (586.3 MB)[MEGA#1] [Mediafire#1]This is the latest update. You should download and install this one if you want to make sure you're 100% up-to-date.
honey_03_plus1226cp_sub.exe (69.7 MB)[MEGA#1] [MEGA#2] [Mediafire#1]This is an incremental update. Use it if you already have installed the 12/22 Update and want a faster download.
 
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Re: [ILLUSION] Honey♥Select (ハニーセレクト) Christmas update

I'm going to mirror this one on MEGA and MediaFire since it's probably going to be the last (or second-to-last) update to this game. I'll add the links to this post and to the OP as soon as I finish uploading the files.
Starting from here, I will only maintain mirrors of the very last update to Honey Select and delete the previous ones to make room on my cloud drives. As long as he intends to keep them online, I will nevertheless keep the links to the files mirrored by [MENTION=88444]MegaKameha[/MENTION] in the first post (send me a message if you pull them down, mate).


The guys from Illusion are going to take their Winter vacation starting next weekend, and resume operation around January 10th. It's highly probable that they will leave this game behind after their break to focus on their upcoming projects, so I don't expect any more content for Honey Select in 2017.

Prepare for a long wait before any new announcement. VR Kanojo is scheduled for February 28th, and they're probably working on a "flat" non-VR game in the meantime, but they will probably wait for their upcoming title to be released (or close to release) before advertising a new one. Expect them to still try on keeping us hyped for their future game, though : chances are high they'll disclose a few teasers in their yearly "Lab" update in the upcoming months.

Until then, Honey Select is going to stay the go-to Illusion title to mod and play, so even if Illusion steps down on support, there's still a long road ahead. I just hope modders won't lose interest in the title before we have a new shiny toy to replace it.


PS: A bit late, but Merry Christmas to all of you glorious bastards !

Waa, why would they make a new title when HS has so many potential left?! I don't get it. :( But the mod community will still continue to work and deliver contents, I hope? Because there are so many things that could and should be done!

Anyway, Dr. Yoshi, will you link another new complete patch update as you've done in the EMF-thread? With all recent updates and so on in order that we only shall install that patch on a clean game version?
 
Re: [ILLUSION] Honey♥Select (ハニーセレクト) Christmas update

Waa, why would they make a new title when HS has so many potential left?! I don't get it. :( But the mod community will still continue to work and deliver contents, I hope? Because there are so many things that could and should be done!

Anyway, Dr. Yoshi, will you link another new complete patch update as you've done in the EMF-thread? With all recent updates and so on in order that we only shall install that patch on a clean game version?

Every previous projects of theirs thus far had been wasted potentials and cases of one step forward and two steps back...whatddya expect?

...as for the 12/26 patch...it seems to entail replacing the EXE of the 32bit game itself...I wonder why, because nothing could be detected on its patch notes.
 
Found the reason why 12/26 patch released. Seems they are good at fucking things up we (as modders) are good at fixing their shits. I not interested in coming VR pedo-game they are releasing. Sticking with HS and SBPR.
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Waa, why would they make a new title when HS has so many potential left?! I don't get it. :( But the mod community will still continue to work and deliver contents, I hope? Because there are so many things that could and should be done!

One single reason : money. Illusion is employing around 40 people, they can't allow themselves to stay long without incomes. And incomes come from sales. Updating a game that doesn't sale anymore won't help them, only releasing a new title will.

If there's any chance for them to keep on releasing new content for Honey Select, they'll add another expansion and sell it like they always do (and just did with the "active" personality). I pretty much foresaw that the game would receive an expack less than a week after its release (read the end of this post), but now, I don't see them adding anything new : they've already set their deadline for VR Kanojo and cannot disperse their efforts.


I not interested in coming VR pedo-game they are releasing.

Please, don't do that here. First, there's nothing "pedo" about a post-pubescent high school girl. Second, as a moderator, I won't accept any form of kink-shaming on this board, especially when it targets a large subset of the users (most of the girls pictured around here are still wearing sailor uniforms for a reason, you know ?).

Lastly, even if it doesn't interest you, the upcoming title is going to be something big for Illusion. In terms of revenue, I can already tell that it will pulverise any records they could have set with the previous titles, and more money for them is better games for us.


Every previous projects of theirs thus far had been wasted potentials and cases of one step forward and two steps back...whatddya expect?

This is what happen when you have different teams working on different games while not relying on an unified codebase : the improvements made by one of the team cannot immediately be rolled back in other games without breaking features currently being worked on by the other teams.

Still, innovations trickle down after a while : you can see it through the evolution of their "Real Body" models. They began working on high-details female bodies around 2010 with Real Kanojo and SB Zero, only to reuse them two years after on Love Girl, then one year after on Real Play. In parallel, they (another team ?) also worked on highly customisable female bodies first featured in games like Premium Play Darkness and Immoral Ward (2013).

Going from the high-customisation bodies from the 2013 PPD to the high-details ones from 2014's Real Play really felt like going "one step forward and two step back" at that time. But the year after, they were able to merge the best of both world in both Play Club and SBPR. This year, they improved the SBPR variant further with Honey Select, and the upcoming VR Kanojo will feature a more detailed version of it while probably ditching a lot of its customisation potential. And I wouldn't be surprised to see a further variation of Play Club models in a 2017 title (probably from the Play Series, then), nor another try at an open-world game (we're all waiting for a new Artificial title).

Games aren't meant to be made and released on a less-than-1-year basis like Illusion does. So, to have a grasp at the progression of their game, you have to stop comparing them on a release-to-release basis and look at the bigger picture : see the evolution from Immoral Ward to Honey Select, for example. When doing so, you can see how much they progressed during the last few years.


Anyway, Dr. Yoshi, will you link another new complete patch update as you've done in the EMF-thread? With all recent updates and so on in order that we only shall install that patch on a clean game version?

I'm working on it. It should be available before the end of the week.
 
Please, don't do that here. First, there's nothing "pedo" about a post-pubescent high school girl. Second, as a moderator, I won't accept any form of kink-shaming on this board, especially when it targets a large subset of the users (most of the girls pictured around here are still wearing sailor uniforms for a reason, you know ?).

Lastly, even if it doesn't interest you, the upcoming title is going to be something big for Illusion. In terms of revenue, I can already tell that it will pulverise any records they could have set with the previous titles, and more money for them is better games for us.
You can spin it anyway you want to; in the end, what matters is that it's a VR game, and not everyone is able to shell out money for an expensive piece of equipment; or, in my case, not desiring to.
Pulverizing other records? Do that many people really have VR equipment? And do you really think the ones that don't are willing to pay for it? That's quite a bold statement.

Whether you're interested in High School girls or not makes no difference. What I'm most worried about is whether this is a direction they will be sticking with, and personally, I hope it's not.
 
One single reason : money. Illusion is employing around 40 people, they can't allow themselves to stay long without incomes. And incomes come from sales. Updating a game that doesn't sale anymore won't help them, only releasing a new title will.

If there's any chance for them to keep on releasing new content for Honey Select, they'll add another expansion and sell it like they always do (and just did with the "active" personality). I pretty much foresaw that the game would receive an expack less than a week after its release (read the end of this post), but now, I don't see them adding anything new : they've already set their deadline for VR Kanojo and cannot disperse their efforts.

I see, well thats understandable on the one side, but unfortunate on the other, at least for players like us.
Thats the reason why they should expand in the West. I never understood why they do Japan-only releases. Was there some reason behind this policy? I think they could make so much more money with it.

I simply hope they will keep up to release at least some further expansions for HS.

What is "VR Kanojo" anyway? Wouldn't it be only interesting for people with VR which are (afaik) not that much, even in Japan?


Dr Yoshi said:
I'm working on it. It should be available before the end of the week.

Yes!

Thank you for everything. :]
 
You can spin it anyway you want to; in the end, what matters is that it's a VR game, and not everyone is able to shell out money for an expensive piece of equipment; or, in my case, not desiring to.

Think about it : do you actually buy games from Illusion ? Most of us around here aren't Illusion customers. To them, we're non-representative. Personally, I bought very few of their games, while still playing them all thanks to torrents and other files sharing.
And most of the people that are unable or unwilling to spend two grands on VR-capable hardware wouldn't be buying the game anyway, even if it was a "flat" non-VR game. They would grab a link on Nyaa or here on AS and play it for free, like they (like we?) always do.

Illusion is not a charity. Why would they target a market made of people that aren't ready to shell out their dollars ? They aim at players who are ready to spend 50 bucks on a small indie game, and those are the exact same kind of players that would spend $1,000 on a first-generation prototype-y VR head-mounted display.

Strategically, their positioning is really good. Illusion may not be the greatest when it comes to game development, but no other company knows this market better. From a business standpoint, they're always been on top of the game and this is the reason why they're still standing strong on a small subset of a niche market (3D eroge).


Pulverizing other records? Do that many people really have VR equipment? And do you really think the ones that don't are willing to pay for it? That's quite a bold statement.

Note that the key word in that quoted sentence is "in terms of revenue".

I'll detail that later (low priority, currently) in VR Kanojo discussion thread, but this game leverages the models and source code from Honey Select : it's a game they slapped together in a semester to surf on the VR hype and not a investment-heavy, long-term project like SBPR or AA2. The ROI is going to be fantastic on this one, especially with the amount of publicity that already surrounds it.

Now, note that the most recent analysis and forecast data estimates the number of VR-enabled PCs around 1 million units. It's already a pretty big potential customer base, and as told, early adopters of VR are by definition the kind of players that are ready to spend money on bleeding-edge toys. On top of that, there are new and cheaper devices around the corner (look for CES next week). In the upcoming two months until the game release, the VR market will still be growing.

And, by the way : VR Kanojo may be one of those games that pushes customers to shell out $2K on equipment. Never underestimate the purchasing power of sex-craving otaku : there are people out there that put thrice that price to get themselves real-sized silicone dolls.


Whether you're interested in High School girls or not makes no difference. What I'm most worried about is whether this is a direction they will be sticking with, and personally, I hope it's not.

I don't think they will go "full-VR" from the get-go : there will be a transition phase. Expect them to include VR support in all of their games, and to regularly drop VR-only titles like VR Kanojo into their release schedule (once a year, or once every three games).

But ultimately, VR is sure going to take a lot of space in the 3D adult gaming world. Five years from now on, you can expect that more than half the games will play in VR. It's a really big step forward : similar to the transition from 2D to 3D, we'll see an evolution from 3D to VR (stereoscopic 6-dof 3D).

When we'll get there, even entry-level GPU will be VR-ready and you'll be able to buy cheap Chinese-manufactured headsets for $99. The only hurdles to personal VR adoption won't then be money, but the players beliefs and convictions toward this technology. And those usually just blow away after the first time you try a VR experience.


Thats the reason why they should expand in the West. I never understood why they do Japan-only releases. Was there some reason behind this policy? I think they could make so much more money with it.

They only release in Japan because the West has a tendency to go full-retard when they see nipples. And if it's a schoolgirl nipple, you're in for one hell of a shitstorm (even here on AS, we have people that can't stand underage characters). That's how we end up having feminist associations petitioning the UN to try to make Japan ban eroge.

But VR Kanojo is planned for a world-wide release. I hope that it will drive them to go international for all of their titles (or at least, the non-rapey ones, since those are banned in a large part of the "first" world).


What is "VR Kanojo" anyway? Wouldn't it be only interesting for people with VR which are (afaik) not that much, even in Japan?

"The future is already here — it's just not very evenly distributed."
 
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They only release in Japan because the West has a tendency to go full-retard when they see nipples. And if it's a schoolgirl nipple, you're in for one hell of a shitstorm (even here on AS, we have people that can't stand underage characters). That's how we end up having feminist associations petitioning the UN to try to make Japan ban eroge.

But VR Kanojo is planned for a world-wide release. I hope that it will drive them to go international for all of their titles (or at least, the non-rapey ones, since those are banned in a large part of the "first" world).

Yeah the West has its cancers like Feminism and Christianity (which surely has its influence in the US and thus the outdated sexual philosophy). I hope we can wipe them out one day and have a full realm of eroges and waifus. ;D

But I think the point is much more clear to me now.
 
They only release in Japan because the West has a tendency to go full-retard when they see nipples. And if it's a schoolgirl nipple, you're in for one hell of a shitstorm (even here on AS, we have people that can't stand underage characters). That's how we end up having feminist associations petitioning the UN to try to make Japan ban eroge.

I'm not an expert on the matter but I half disagree with this. We still get lots of non JP porn related media sold here, including porn videos and games. They're criticized? of course, like any other media. If Japan doesn't sell this stuff here it's probably because they don't see the costs worth (localization, distribution, english support...), as you said, they're a company aiming for profit.

And, if it's REALLY because "OMG feminist" then they need to grown a thicker skin.
 
@Dr. Yoshi
That's an interesting line you have drawn between a underage and post-pubescent. Do you know the minimum age of puberty can be from 12 to 16. If I embarrassed large community of people having that fetish then they are one who need real help. They can have my sympathy for mental-disorder they are suffering but not my regrets and nor apologies for what I said earlier.
I am not sure why would Western get nuts over porn games when there is wild spread of 3D Sex Villa and other Western porn games already in their region. The nudity in GTA, God of Wars etc. This is a pure double-standard bullshit that doesn't justify why Eastern region (specifically Japan) not to introduce their products in the West.
 
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This is a Mod request:
Can someone please for the love of the nine divines create a registry fix or upload a Blank reg file so i can edit it...I have an AlienWare 14th gen laptop with win 10...and so far win 10 is being a pain in my A** and i already tried downgrading to win7 but can't so i had to restore win 10 to factory settings because the previous owner couldn't tell his head for his ass with this gorgeous laptop...and i really don't feel like downloading the game again...:( pleas helps me :(

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I had no Idea windows 10 had an auto detect Regfixer for newer games, I thought this game was going to be like AA2 etc etc...

Learn something new everyday i guess...
 
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hi guys..
im new here,
just a simple & quick question

- how to get 2 male( or more) with 1 female character in the same room ? i saw 2 male & 1 female in a screenshot from rape clothes mod

thankyou
 
hi guys..
im new here,
just a simple & quick question

- how to get 2 male( or more) with 1 female character in the same room ? i saw 2 male & 1 female in a screenshot from rape clothes mod

thankyou

I think that can only be done in the Studio, not for game play...not that i am aware of that is.
 
@Dr. Yoshi
That's an interesting line you have drawn between a underage and post-pubescent. Do you know the minimum age of puberty can be from 12 to 16. If I embarrassed large community of people having that fetish then they are one who need real help. They can have my sympathy for mental-disorder they are suffering but not my regrets and nor apologies for what I said earlier.
Personally I draw the line between a bunch of pixels and the harming of real people. The rest is just bullshit, honestly. Fictional characters don't need a ID, because they are f**** fictional characters in the first place!
Rape, the killing of innocent people, are disgusting IRL, that doesn't mean playing a rape game or GTA make you a rapist or a campus killer. My head is OK, I'm a sane human being, thank you, because I actually know the difference between hyper-sexualized fantasy and reality.

So yeah, think what you want, but please don't try to make people having a fetish you don't like mentally ill or prone to do the same thing IRL, that's the exact same tactic used by people to actually ban video games as a whole, because it makes people violent, or become rapists, or whatever goes through the head of the censor leader of the moment.
I find guro disgusting and I don't understand it (seriously, cutting people in parts?), that doesn't mean that the people having that fetish in a game have their neighbors waiting in their fridge as shish kebab. ;)
I even believe that many "perverts" here are saner IRL than a majority of the big "paragons of virtue" preaching censorship that we see in the media or in politics.

Now, I can understand not being into their VR game, I'm somewhat skeptic too, and I'm not really into the lovey dovey ambience they're delivering for the West... Especially if there is any sjw backslash, will they have the balls to stand up and tell them to go f*** themselves?
But I suppose having a Vive would change my view of it?

I am not sure why would Western get nuts over porn games when there is wild spread of 3D Sex Villa and other Western porn games already in their region. The nudity in GTA, God of Wars etc. This is a pure double-standard bullshit that doesn't justify why Eastern region (specifically Japan) not to introduce their products in the West.
That is true, but honestly, the West is mostly ashamed with the use of sexiness in either male or female characters in games (in most big productions), because of the sjw bullshit going around for too much time on the left, and the traditional conservative views on the right, making people ashamed of showing beauty or sexy, because "Sexism", or because "God".
And Japan is way more free about this issue in particular, which is visible with the many games being "adapted" (meaning censored) when going West. That's one thing I like about Japanese game/manga/media production: they don't give a shit to try to please anyone else than their target audience. No self censorship, as it's a common thing in the West (and weirdly enough Japan is one of the safest countries in the world).
Also, the translation/distribution/Post Sale cost is not zero, not every studio is Nintendo or Sony after all...
 
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That is true, but honestly, the West is mostly ashamed with the use of sexiness in either male or female characters in games (in most big productions), because of the sjw bullshit going around for too much time on the left, and the traditional conservative views on the right, making people ashamed of showing beauty or sexy, because "Sexism", or because "God".
And Japan is way more free about this issue in particular, which is visible with the many games being "adapted" (meaning censored) when going West. That's one thing I like about Japanese game production: they don't give a shit to try to please anyone else than their target audience. No self censorship (that's a common thing in the West).
Also, the translation/distribution/Post Sale cost is not zero, not every studio is Nintendo or Sony after all...

By law, japanese explicit content has harsher measurements. Taking GTA for example, western version show tits, even I think a DLC from IV showed a dick... meanwhile the japanese version gets censored, both in violent and sexual content.
So yeah, actually japan is more harsh in terms of explicit sexual content in their media. I mean, they censor their porn!

Of course, another side is how the consumers view these contents, and it's clear that a lot of people dislike it in the west, hence the censorship (that I hate), although a lot of times it's more a problem of the publisher, IMO. I mean, Nintendo censor the shit out of their games yet we are having games like Senran Kagura localized. It feels more like mismanagement to me.
As I said, there will always be "SJW" on everything, games, movies, books... everyone will always hate your products. It's a matter to cater to your customers.

IMO companies have their part of blame too when their censor/not sell their stuff here. I don't think we are doing us any favors by saying "it's because the west sjws!" and ignoring companies mismanagements.
 
By law, japanese explicit content has harsher measurements. Taking GTA for example, western version show tits, even I think a DLC from IV showed a dick... meanwhile the japanese version gets censored, both in violent and sexual content.
So yeah, actually japan is more harsh in terms of explicit sexual content in their media. I mean, they censor their porn!
Yup, I was talking about self censorship and sexual innuendo mostly, not about the law : things that would make you going down in flame if done in the West. Things like sexy clothes, sexy poses (remember Tracer ass?), sex related jokes, etc etc. All of these that can make them censor even a pokemon game when adapting it to the West.

Of course, another side is how the consumers view these contents, and it's clear that a lot of people dislike it in the west, hence the censorship (that I hate), although a lot of times it's more a problem of the publisher, IMO. I mean, Nintendo censor the shit out of their games yet we are having games like Senran Kagura localized. It feels more like mismanagement to me.
As I said, there will always be "SJW" on everything, games, movies, books... everyone will always hate your products. It's a matter to cater to your customers.
I think that most people are way more relaxed than what the media are showing us, or just actually don't give a damn. But the silent majority is well, silent, and the vocal minority is here to push their totalitarian agenda. SJW aren't the target audience of these games, and I doubt they play them, they are just here to try censor products, as the religious zealots they are.
And as long as the trend in the US is to say yes to all of their caprices, then the era of self censorship is far from being at its end.

If it's better than before, it's because:
- Internet is here, and it's more difficult to shame products and try to ban them when they aren't even in the same legislation, or if multiple distributions possibilities exist.
- Steam seems to have seen that there is actually a market for ecchi productions. Not full porn, but selling these games is lucrative, and I didn't see any backslash yet about these games. Maybe because they are sold as actual ecchi games, not normal games with ecchi components? Or maybe because they are a niche market that hasn't yet attracted the bulldogs? (Or dare I say the poodles, seeing how much they bark for what they are? :P)
- people protest now for the censorship policy when games are adapted, and while Nintendo won't probably care about it, maybe it will have an effect on the companies self censorship policies.

IMO companies have their part of blame too when their censor/not sell their stuff here. I don't think we are doing us any favors by saying "it's because the west sjws!" and ignoring companies mismanagements.
You're right, they're bullies, if no one stands up, they will just carry on their bullying to even more craziness.
But when even respectable university campus lie down before these bullies, even when it's obviously against the basic goal of a learning institution, then I can understand that a company doesn't want to dive by itself in the current toxic atmosphere in the West, of SJW shaming/call for ban, etc.
 
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I'm not an expert on the matter but I half disagree with this. We still get lots of non JP porn related media sold here, including porn videos and games. They're criticized? of course, like any other media.

Depending on your country, you only have access to a really small curated subset of what is available to Japanese customers. When it comes to "Made in Japan", there's more adult content available in their local konbini down the street than on the official international market : what you can get in the West is mostly "smuggled" thanks to the Internet and lax Customs Laws enforcement or stands in the grey area.

Erotic materials and games featuring characters under —or appearing to be under— 18 years old are technically banned in the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, France, Canada, Brazil, Australia, Austria, Norway, Sweden, etc... Playing or possessing them can (and actually is) prosecutable and lead to jail sentences. On top of that, rape porn is banned in most of the Commonwealth, which also substract a non-negligible subset of the Japanese production. That's pretty simple : you don't want to get caught with anything from Play Club to the JAV from Minimum or Dogma to half of the available doujinshi.

Actually, games like Secrossphere, Artificial Academy, VR Kanojo or any pornographic material featuring high-school girls, as well as most of JK porn / hentai, are in the grey area and avoid bans thanks to subtle translation shenanigans ("let's say it's a special high-school without any minors in there : all characters intended to be 18+ even the 130cm tall one") and breast surgery. It even affects non-adult games : see Xenoblade Chronicles X.

A single little push and all of that can be banned. It would only requires the West to understand understand that 99% of the uniform-wearing girls can't possibly be over eighteen, and they're all gone. A little push that only needs another overinflated scandal to serve as a pretext.


If Japan doesn't sell this stuff here it's probably because they don't see the costs worth (localization, distribution, english support...), as you said, they're a company aiming for profit.

It's not about money : actually, Japanese devs would welcome a bigger audience since their domestic market is shrinking. It's all about avoiding another shitstorm that could lead to even tighter censorship laws, both in Japan and internationally.

Do I really need to remind everyone about the "Rapelay Incident" and how it affected the industry back in the day ? Don't you know about the smear campaign bordering on xenophobia and the petitioning launched by Equality Now ?
This whole mess ended up with Sofurin/OECS banning the game and eroge companies starting their "Japan Only" policy with region locks and IP filtering on their websites. This is also the fucking reason why most of the professional games do not feature rape any more, but only "training" (read : the games rated by the OECS and made by companies, and not the ones made by doujin/circles).

It has a lasting impact on the industry, still making developers uneasy about any contact with foreign players, more than five years after the whole debacle.

Because this shit escalated to the United Nations, starting an everlasting war between Japan and the international institution under the false pretense of "discrimination against women". Since then, they've been repeatedly calling on Japan to enforce bans on shota/loli, said to encourage real child abuse, as well as bans on video games or cartoons involving sexual violence against women.


And, if it's REALLY because "OMG feminist" then they need to grown a thicker skin.

This is not about "OMG feminist" but "What the fuck is wrong with those people" ?

They don't want to deal with us because of our "Thought Police" made of scaremongering associations, institutions and mass-media ready to blow anything they can out of proportion to entertain their ideological agendas and our politicians ability to invent crimes that don't claim any victim simply to get themselves a bit of publicity.

You have to understand that Japanese people have a strong sense of shame : how do you believe they feel when the West points an accusative finger at them, telling them they spend their time enjoying material encouraging child abuse and violence towards women ? It is totally alien to them, because those "abused" characters are just drawings, not real people, and fantasies never hurt anyone. They feel like they're being the bad kids, being taught by everyone, while not even being able to understand what's so bad about it.

So, they just brush it aside. Shouganai wa ne... And keep doing their stuff without involving us any further.

Now, I hope that it will change and that Japanese producers of adult content will stand their ground and try to release internationally everything that is not downright illegal (ie. lolicon), just like Illusion seems to be trying to do with VR Kanojo.


I think that most people are way more relaxed than what the media are showing us, or just actually don't give a damn. But the silent majority is well, silent, and the vocal minority is here to push their totalitarian agenda. SJW aren't the target audience of these games, and I doubt they play them, they are just here to try censor products, as the religious zealots they are.
And as long as the trend in the US is to say yes to all of their caprices, then the era of self censorship is far from being at its end.

This.

I do believe that there will be an inevitable confrontation. We have producers, ready to make full-fledged uncensored porn featuring any kind of fetishes, we have a market with people ready to throw their money at anything that fancies their fantasies and yet... we have more and more bans piling up because a bunch of whinny neo-puritans have the ears of politicians.

But it's cracking. Just look at the zeitgeist : gamers outraged by censorship everywhere, Trump president, SJW being made fun of by everyone.

That's why I think VR Kanojo going international is a really bold and clever move. I'm sure it's going to be targeted, I'm sure many countries will ban it, but I'm sure a lot of people will stand for it. It's going to force many to take stance for or against censorship.

It may not end well. But if this game becomes the focal point of the censorship controversy, there are good chances it can lead to some really interesting outcomes.





That's an interesting line you have drawn between a underage and post-pubescent.

I didn't draw a line between underage and post-pubescent, but between pre-pubescent (pedo) and post-pubescent (ephebo). Technically, both are considered "underage" in most first-world countries.
And I wouldn't confuse them, simply because "underage" is legal term relying on social norms and varying between countries (age of consent or majority) while the other relies on biological and physical development. If there's a line to draw here, it wouldn't be considering ages and biology, but morals and social constructions.

Now, there's another line that we'll have to draw : the difference between real people and cartoony video game characters, between fantasy and reality. We all know where that line is, and we all know it shouldn't be crossed.


Do you know the minimum age of puberty can be from 12 to 16. If I embarrassed large community of people having that fetish then they are one who need real help. They can have my sympathy for mental-disorder they are suffering but not my regrets and nor apologies for what I said earlier.

Except than ephebophilia is not classified as a mental disorder, neither in DSM nor in the ICD. Actually, it's a perfectly sane and normal behavioural pattern : the attractiveness of juvenile features is well-documented subject in human sexual selection, stemming from the association of youth and fertility, and neoteny, especially in females, is a direct consequence of human evolution.

This is the reason why the use of exaggerated neotenic features is prominent in the anime industry : because it's cuter that way and ease empathy towards the characters. The attractiveness of the whole "moe" genre, that emphasise pedomorphic features even in older characters, has well-known roots in evolutionary psychology, on top of being culturally admired in Asia.

But if you don't know what you're talking about, please ask the Doctor. I'll be delighted to enlighten you.


I am not sure why would Western get nuts over porn games when there is wild spread of 3D Sex Villa and other Western porn games already in their region. The nudity in GTA, God of Wars etc. This is a pure double-standard bullshit that doesn't justify why Eastern region (specifically Japan) not to introduce their products in the West.

No. Read above. You simply can't compare Japanese eroge and titles like GTA or GoW. And you can't compare the hundreds of adult titles made available each year in Japan with the couple indie productions made in the West (3D Sex Villa, seriously ?). There's huge differences both in scale and nature, on top of cultural ones.

And the fact that Japanese people don't get batshit crazy and label their peers as mentally ill for liking their non-existent, purely fictional anime girls with bigger eyes and smaller legs. On a forum dedicated to fucking anime porn and games. It may be a reason why they're so adamant about keeping their games "Japan Only".
 
Very well said, Dr. Yoshi. It is good that finally someone recognizes the evolutionary aspect of sexuality. I can only repeat that being attracted - for instance - to girls between 14 and 18 isn't in any kind "pedophile"; the latter is defined as sexual attraction towards pre-pubescent children (as mostly depicted in Lolicons). In truth, this attraction is simply a normal sexual reaction which is caused by juvenile aspects (like big eyes or smooth skin). If there is selection pressure on certain traits in animal populations (don't forget that humans still are animals), there might occur change in times. In this case, it would be the first menstruation which technically makes a female human able to bear children. Of course, it has to have some feminine traits in order to work out (another selection pressure), but this basically leads towards (minimal) sexual attraction towards a girl which even may be 12 or 13. Your brain (= you) is a pattern matching machine which doesn't care if a certain female individual has lived for at least 18 years. These are simply not the aspects, but the patterns are, which means that you are naturally - in average - attracted to mentioned traits and looks.

Yes, we nowadays live in a civilization with various ethical systems and while we are in nearly every core aspects animals, this shouldn't mean we also should adapt every behavioural traits which may have helped us survive thousands or even million years ago. This, for example, means that I wouldn't date a 14-year old girl anymore because she simply isn't mental matured enough. But I surely have no problems to admit that I'm sexually attracted to one and for these purposes, there exist games/eroges and other media as hentai. It is our way to deal with the paradox of having archaic brain structures while maintaining new ethical structures.

Sadly, many people as politicans, SJWs and so on which have influence simply are not aware (or are intellectually incapable) of these facts and act as dumb as they do.
 
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