Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

[Animefan_09]

you can't dowload with utorrent for the magnet link on torrent section?

Same problem, it started ok, but is been stuck at 19%for almost 2h, it won't speed up until like midnight here, while for some reason mega and mediafire always download fast (or at least faster)

 

[hgawa61]

well, to be fair almost every heroine i have seen outside type a (and even then many are dumb) and those that are either drugged or raped, are all little stupid (or at least lack common sense), kind of makes sense because if they aren't idiots the only way they will start to fall is if they are raped or incapacitated

Thats why I prefer netorase :D
Not Soushitsu no Married Life from Venus though, the ntr scenario is so believable, it's easy to imagine that to happen in real life, at least part of the scenario (it has 2 main scenarios).
I think the scenario that can work is if heroine or her family do something wrong that can greatly destroy her life and is blackmailed because of it. For example she kills someone and ntr guy blackmails her because of it. The point is make it hard for heroine to report to police. But not the kind of scenario where her nude photos are leaked and ntr guy blackmails heroine and asking to have sex with her. that kind of scenario is so stupid.

 

[Selendius]

Same problem, it started ok, but is been stuck at 19%for almost 2h, it won't speed up until like midnight here, while for some reason mega and mediafire always download fast (or at least faster)

uploading to mega now, later will update on this thread.

Spoiler: here you go

https://mega.co.nz/#!Sdo30AhI!BwnzTUu7morJGMtG0BY7TeyFUyGdWNgcAy4_WBxGHLY

 

[downbelow]

Thats why I prefer netorase :D
Not Soushitsu no Married Life from Venus though, the ntr scenario is so believable, it's easy to imagine that to happen in real life, at least part of the scenario (it has 2 main scenarios).
I think the scenario that can work is if heroine or her family do something wrong that can greatly destroy her life and is blackmailed because of it. For example she kills someone and ntr guy blackmails her because of it. The point is make it hard for heroine to report to police. But not the kind of scenario where her nude photos are leaked and ntr guy blackmails heroine and asking to have sex with her. that kind of scenario is so stupid.

Maybe that kind of stuff would work in Japan(?), with stuff like public shame or whatever, but yeah definitely seems kind of stupid from my perspective and points to lazy writing. Boku no Yayoi really topped the cake with how forced the ntr was. If you are going to take the ntr-b route at least come up with something that would actually make sense. Like you said, if she killed someone. Hit and run, fraud, something that can get you (or a loved one) a prison sentence.

 

[Animefan_09]

Maybe that kind of stuff would work in Japan(?), with stuff like public shame or whatever, but yeah definitely seems kind of stupid from my perspective and points to lazy writing. Boku no Yayoi really topped the cake with how forced the ntr was. If you are going to take the ntr-b route at least come up with something that would actually make sense. Like you said, if she killed someone. Hit and run, fraud, something that can get you (or a loved one) a prison sentence.

Actually if the girl is young enough it might work, hell i think things like that actually happen

 

[DiabolicalGenius]

Well, the whole public shame thing does work a little differently in Japan than in the west, though to someone raised in the west it seems stupid. Whenever a work showing a woman being coerced into having sex that way is posted, you'll always get a bunch of comments going on about how dumb she is and how she should have gone to the police. In Japan though it's heavily ingrained in the culture to avoid anything that will bring shame and/or scandal on you or your family at all costs. The general view is that as long as nobody knows about it, then it didn't happen. The Japanese are intensely conscious of how society views them and their social image and it's ingrained into them at a very early age no to make waves or stand out too much.
So while it might be pushing it, when put in that situation there probably are women who might feel it's better to let the guy do what he wants with her and then pretend it never happened than risk it going public and ruining her image, shaming her family, ruining her future marriage prospects and all the rest that the Japanese raise women to think is all important to them.
It not too hard to imagine it going on in real life.

The problem with that sort of thing in ero and NTR isn't that it's stupid or unrealistic, but that it's overused and usually used as a quick and easy way to make NTR happen and jump straight to the ero content without coming up with any kind of plot or character development to back it up. It usually ends up being used in a cheap and unimaginative way by writers who can't come with anything better, and as a result ends up coming off as dumb and unrealistic.

 

[Avaz]

do you guys now games/animations that doesn't have NTR genre, but has NTR moment? like, the girl do striptease in front of other people for just a moment or something like that?

 

[Ahia]

After playing the new jinsei game. I realize, there will never be another triangle blue ever again. I realize no matter how good the ero scene and the corruption are. That lack of freedom of choice to dictate the path makes ntr not working anymore... Or is it just I am getting tired of seeing the mc being a beta and forever be a beta 100% of the time too much now. Help guys!

Spoiler: ending

The ending is a cop out btw. It might as well show us that she was not recoverable instead of playing it off with mc ignoring everything.

 

[Selendius]

After playing the new jinsei game. I realize, there will never be another triangle blue ever again. I realize no matter how good the ero scene and the corruption are. That lack of freedom of choice to dictate the path makes ntr not working anymore... Or is it just I am getting tired of seeing the mc being a beta and forever be a beta 100% of the time too much now. Help guys!

Spoiler: ending

The ending is a cop out btw. It might as well show us that she was not recoverable instead of playing it off with mc ignoring everything.

uumm...sorry but which "jinsei" game that you mentioned?

#edit : silly me, jinsei is the game that i've uplooaded to mega >..>

 

[Axioma]

do you guys now games/animations that doesn't have NTR genre, but has NTR moment? like, the girl do striptease in front of other people for just a moment or something like that?

I do not really understand what you want, but I know a good non-H manga that has a very strong ntr moment, the name is Onanie Master Kurosawa.

 

[hgawa61]

Well, the whole public shame thing does work a little differently in Japan than in the west, though to someone raised in the west it seems stupid. Whenever a work showing a woman being coerced into having sex that way is posted, you'll always get a bunch of comments going on about how dumb she is and how she should have gone to the police. In Japan though it's heavily ingrained in the culture to avoid anything that will bring shame and/or scandal on you or your family at all costs. The general view is that as long as nobody knows about it, then it didn't happen. The Japanese are intensely conscious of how society views them and their social image and it's ingrained into them at a very early age no to make waves or stand out too much.
So while it might be pushing it, when put in that situation there probably are women who might feel it's better to let the guy do what he wants with her and then pretend it never happened than risk it going public and ruining her image, shaming her family, ruining her future marriage prospects and all the rest that the Japanese raise women to think is all important to them.
It not too hard to imagine it going on in real life.

The problem with that sort of thing in ero and NTR isn't that it's stupid or unrealistic, but that it's overused and usually used as a quick and easy way to make NTR happen and jump straight to the ero content without coming up with any kind of plot or character development to back it up. It usually ends up being used in a cheap and unimaginative way by writers who can't come with anything better, and as a result ends up coming off as dumb and unrealistic.

I still remember some time ago there was huge uproar in Japan because a circle/club in university used their circle as tools to gather women to drink, drug and rape them while the women were intoxicated. The scandal surfaced after many women fell victims and it turned out it can stay under radar for too long because these women didn't want to come up and report to police.
And recently, there was that case with man posed himself as doctor and putting ad for women willing to join his experiment. But the women were drugged and raped and he taped the act and sold it to porn producer. After investigation police suspected that his victims probably reached 100 women. It can stay under radar also because women didn't want to report to police.
It's like straight from eroge..both of cases gained worldwide attention so I think many of you know about it.

it's like you said, it's crazy how far these women are willing to pretend like it never happened just for preserving their image.

 

[Redorc]

Am I the only one liking the blackmail + corruption ntr here? ^^
I'm playing (more like savoring :P) Honto no Kimochi, and I like how much the heroine is proactive and have an actual personality. I haven't really appreciated an ntr since a long time, especially since there was a lack of mystery...

it's like you said, it's crazy how far these women are willing to pretend like it never happened just for preserving their image.

That's actually the case with men too, it's really in the social culture to not shame yourself or family at all cost.

 

[Axioma]

Right now I am reading a good "reverse netorare" manga, the name is Uwakoi (http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Uwakoi) if anyone is interested. This kind of plot do not make me rage, because I can't self insert as the girl, but it is interesting to see what is unfolding.

Am I the only one liking the blackmail + corruption ntr here? ^^

I like when the corruption is well done, it is well done when the plot adds a lot more motives for the corruption besides the better sex (heroine jealousy, romance, alpha attitude, save her from something, several mc mistakes, etc.).

And just blackmail and rape is kind of boring most of the time, but there are some excellent exceptions.

 

[Redorc]

Only if the corruption is well done, it is well done when the plot adds a lot more motives for the corruption besides the better sex (heroine jealousy, romance, alpha attitude, save her from something, several mc mistakes, etc.)

Even with better sex I like it, as long as the corruption speed is not rushed. In fact more than half of the corruption stories I read or played were way too rushed to be enjoyable.

 

[Animefan_09]

Right now I am reading a good "reverse netorare" manga, the name is Uwakoi (http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Uwakoi) if anyone is interested. This kind of plot do not make me rage, because I can't self insert as the girl, but it is interesting to see what is unfolding.



I like when the corruption is well done, it is well done when the plot adds a lot more motives for the corruption besides the better sex (heroine jealousy, romance, alpha attitude, save her from something, several mc mistakes, etc.).

And just blackmail and rape is kind of boring most of the time, but there are some excellent exceptions.

Yukiteru, Yuno, RENA?!!!!! this is so no gonna end well........

PD: can someone tell me why there are 2 pages in the scene section of ホントノキモチ? i even went and downloaded the save from sagaoz and only the firts page has scenes

 

[RavenGenobreaker]

Yeah, i think that the mother NTR theme is really hard for the MC´s even if there is not "Romantic Feelings" because they are deprived of the person who in theory will never betray them and loves them more, those two games are an example of these especially 寝取られ熟母夏子 because if i remember right the MC never develop romantic feelings instead he lost his partner in a rough life and she put the needs of the bully before the needs of her son

Yeah, they're good.

 

[DiabolicalGenius]

I do not really understand what you want, but I know a good non-H manga that has a very strong ntr moment, the name is Onanie Master Kurosawa.

Seconded, not for the hint of NTR but for the work itself. OMK is one of the best school life, coming of age works I've ever read. It starts out with focusing in some very well executed serious humour that makes you laugh at situations that aren't gags or surreal and that you could easily see going on in real life, yet are still hilarious. And as the story goes on the character and plot developments are first rate, highs and lows, no heroes or villains but characters with both good points and bad points that are quite plausible. Plenty of feels too, I really do recommend it to anyone.

I still remember some time ago there was huge uproar in Japan because a circle/club in university used their circle as tools to gather women to drink, drug and rape them while the women were intoxicated. The scandal surfaced after many women fell victims and it turned out it can stay under radar for too long because these women didn't want to come up and report to police.
And recently, there was that case with man posed himself as doctor and putting ad for women willing to join his experiment. But the women were drugged and raped and he taped the act and sold it to porn producer. After investigation police suspected that his victims probably reached 100 women. It can stay under radar also because women didn't want to report to police.
It's like straight from eroge..both of cases gained worldwide attention so I think many of you know about it.

it's like you said, it's crazy how far these women are willing to pretend like it never happened just for preserving their image.

Yeah and those cases are only known because the the criminals had no restraint and just kept increasing the number of victims until it became exposed whether they reported the crime or not. You can image how often women are taken advantage sexually without anyone hearing about it when it's on a smaller scale done by guys who have enough common sense to keep it manageable.
But I get irritated when shallow minded critics casually go on about how dumb the women are to let it happen, since it's not like they calmly decided to be this way. It's all about how they've been raised and the culture they've been immersed in since birth, and that kind of thing has a lot of influence over you. It's just that modern western culture has changed a lot since the eighties with a strong emphasis on freedom of thought, speech and expression, along with a strong feminist movement that they people born and raised around take completely for granted. It's easy to express your individuality and properly complain when you don't like something when the whole culture around you fully supports and accepts your right to object and say what you feel, especially if you are a woman. People like that have trouble understanding the difference when you're raised in a culture that expects you to keep your complaints to yourself and not cause any trouble, both if you are a man and even more so if you are a woman.
The ignorant bastards who fill most of the internet really need to open their minds and try to consider that all of humanity doesn't necessarily share the exact same culture and values they've been raised with. Just a personal irritant of mine.

Am I the only one liking the blackmail + corruption ntr here? ^^

Like I said, I'm fine with blackmail/coercion and corruption, so long as it's done well and not used as a crutch to support lazy or incompetent writing. My previous post was meant to support that this sort of thing wasn't unrealistic and could be great if done right, but I just ended up focusing more on why it wasn't unrealistic when it comes to Japanese culture.
It's just that finding it done well is hard, and in the end Type-A NTR done reasonably well almost always has a bigger impact that any Type-B, even if it's done well. That's how it seems to be for most of us.

[MENTION=107220]Axioma[/MENTION] As for Uwakoi, I kind of like that author's works and the previous work Aki Sora actually does have a proper NTR moment, and in the new work I'm kind of interesting in the way the author explores the protag's unfaithful behaviour and self-destructive impulses. The only downside I have is with how she draws her work, particularly the males. She overwhelmingly favours cute and effeminate characters, with the protag from Aki Sora being shy and passive and cuter than some girls, and while the protag of Uwakoi looks a little more masculine at first, as the work goes on he's gotten more and more suited to put in a dress and a wig and pass for a girl with ease, which really isn't what I go for in my male leads.
It's what puts me off some stuff like Sword Art Online, Seirei Tsukai no Blade Dance, and similar works where they might be the protag as cool and capable as they like, but always give him slim and delicate features and almost always end up having to cross-dress on some premise or other, and pass for a bishoujo with out much difficulty. A lot of people like that kind of gap, but I have trouble wanting to identify with that kind of hero. If there a man in a anime/manga that I want to relate myself to, then I prefer him to actually be reasonably manly. Not butch, macho levels of manly, just easily identifiable as male at first glance. That's just my preference.

 

[freedom10a]

Am I the only one liking the blackmail + corruption ntr here? ^^
I'm playing (more like savoring :P) Honto no Kimochi, and I like how much the heroine is proactive and have an actual personality. I haven't really appreciated an ntr since a long time, especially since there was a lack of mystery...


That's actually the case with men too, it's really in the social culture to not shame yourself or family at all cost.

I like it when the heroine falls into corruption in a way in which we can observe her inner struggle and slowly accept the act, maybe like that pin point game (kedamono)

And YESSSS i´m also savoring Honto no Kimochi, slowly advancing in the story everyday without rushing anything, just now i think the netori guy has made his move, at the moment i really like the heroine and the MC doesn´t look that useless, only the typical way of not seeing the obvious.

 

[Valvatorez]

Gentlemen... (and ladies?) 堕ちていく新妻 ～ごめんなさいアナタ…私もう……でも、愛してる～, 母さんのオトコ ～野獣のような男に牝の悦びを覚えさせられる最愛の母～, 妻の媚肉を弄る父の太い指 ～知らぬ間に父のモノになっていた愛妻（つま）は、悦びの喘ぎとともに腰をうねらせていた～, and the animated version of the ボクの弥生さん manga (which looks to be as good as the manga from the previews) all coming out tomorrow..... my poor heart can hardly bear the anticipation.

Thanks, Melty Blood is a masterpiece in it's genre

Damn right it is, i'm part of the minority that likes it even better than guilty gear, i purchased French Breads new game UnderNight InBirth just yesterday, it's great as well.

 

[downbelow]

Where can I find honto no kimochi?

 

[lockman]

Where can I find H-code for [Rascou] Kemono Michi and [Rascou] 光と影の道標 Ⅲ,?
I have Kemono michi 1-5 and 7 but I can't find the 6, 6 plus.
Thank

 

[hgawa61]

Seeing many of you like corruption theme, which is the best game with corruption theme? DOesn't have to be NTR works. Like others i prefer corruption with solid background story, especially heroine.

I wonder if there's something special about 27 february. so many Ntr game released in that day.

 

[melina]

PD: can someone tell me why there are 2 pages in the scene section of ホントノキモチ? i even went and downloaded the save from sagaoz and only the firts page has scenes

If you choose to made the heroine refers to herself as boku when starting the game, you unlocked most of the first page scene. If you choose watashi, you get the last few scenes on first page and scenes on page two.

Gentlemen... (and ladies?) 堕ちていく新妻 ～ごめんなさいアナタ…私もう……でも、愛してる～, 母さんのオトコ ～野獣のような男に牝の悦びを覚えさせられる最愛の母～, 妻の媚肉を弄る父の太い指 ～知らぬ間に父のモノになっていた愛妻（つま）は、悦びの喘ぎとともに腰をうねらせていた～, and the animated version of the ボクの弥生さん manga (which looks to be as good as the manga from the previews) all coming out tomorrow..... my poor heart can hardly bear the anticipation.

Isn't Angel Game by Atelier Sakura is supposed to be coming tomorrow as well? Although at first glance, it seems to be just a swapping game and not an actual NTR game. Hopefully I'm wrong about this.

 

[ragnas1]

Valvatorez
Gentlemen... (and ladies?) 堕ちていく新妻 ～ごめんなさいアナタ…私もう……でも、愛してる～, 母さんのオトコ ～野獣のような男に牝の悦びを覚えさせられる最愛の母～, 妻の媚肉を弄る父の太い指 ～知らぬ間に父のモノになっていた愛妻（つま）は、悦びの喘ぎとともに腰をうねらせていた～, and the animated version of the ボクの弥生さん manga (which looks to be as good as the manga from the previews) all coming out tomorrow..... my poor heart can hardly bear the anticipation.

I am really excited by those eroges all of them especially 妻の媚肉を弄る父の太い指 ～知らぬ間に父のモノになっていた愛妻（つま）は、悦びの喘ぎとともに腰をうねらせていた sadly i think we will have to wait a few weeks before someone share those games to the general public.

melina
Isn't Angel Game by Atelier Sakura is supposed to be coming tomorrow as well? Although at first glance, it seems to be just a swapping game and not an actual NTR game. Hopefully I'm wrong about this.

Yes tomorrow (today in japan) It is tagged ntr in getchu so technically it is but I agree with you it seems more like a swapping game with few netorare elements than a proper ntr title.

 

[Animefan_09]

If you choose to made the heroine refers to herself as boku when starting the game, you unlocked most of the first page scene. If you choose watashi, you get the last few scenes on first page and scenes on page two.

Are they the exact same scenes with the same dialogues just switching the pronoums? or the dialogue varies a little?