H Games wiki

Inquisitor · Mar 10, 2014

This thread is for discussion of the H Games wiki.

FAQ

Anybody is free add their own H game wiki to our H games wiki. It can be for any game from any publisher.
The captcha code is hgames (if prompted)

I will add more information and helpful links to this post down the road.

hmoeller · Mar 11, 2014

Hello everyone,

I'm currently working on the H Games Wiki. I created new templates for company and game pages and I'm currently changing all game pages to the new template.

While that's happening I also hunt for unlinked game pages or just check the orphaned, uncategorized or unlinked pages sections to see what else should be fixed.

I'm also writing some tutorial pages for basic page creation.

Random thoughts:

Except for game pages, there are some modding and even translation related articles spread over the wiki. Maybe those should be moved to their own Namespace and get a "Modder's portal" frontpage.
There's an abandoned (unlinked) HGames_Wiki:Community_Portal that may be useful for the Help: Namespace or on the main page.

trololove · Mar 11, 2014

Hi,
I'm currently trying to reorganize the stuff in the wiki. Would be great if you could come over and help us getting the wiki up to date.
I am also working on a bot for mass changes, but it's far from beeing completetd.

Inquisitor · Mar 11, 2014

trololove said:
Hi,
I'm currently trying to reorganize the stuff in the wiki. Would be great if you could come over and help us getting the wiki up to date.
I am also working on a bot for mass changes, but it's far from beeing completetd.

You already helped a lot. What do you mean by "if you could come over and help us getting the wiki up to date"?

hmoeller said:
Hello everyone,

I'm currently working on the H Games Wiki. I created new templates for company and game pages and I'm currently changing all game pages to the new template.

While that's happening I also hunt for unlinked game pages or just check the orphaned, uncategorized or unlinked pages sections to see what else should be fixed.

I'm also writing some tutorial pages for basic page creation.

Random thoughts:

Except for game pages, there are some modding and even translation related articles spread over the wiki. Maybe those should be moved to their own Namespace and get a "Modder's portal" frontpage.

There's an abandoned (unlinked) HGames_Wiki:Community_Portal that may be useful for the Help: Namespace or on the main page.

It's a great idea with the modder's portal. Please post if you have some links you think I should add to the first post.

trololove · Mar 11, 2014

Inquisitor said:
What do you mean by "if you could come over and help us getting the wiki up to date"?

Getting a suitable logo, propably some custom skin for the wiki and reorganizing content (I am a bit unhappy with the content structure; I am thinking about creating subpages).
I am planning to get some CSS and wikiscript skills as soon as I am done with my bot, so I can help creating a custom skin (only with coding the skin, I am a horrible designer / drawer) and write a few own plugins for the wiki.
Currently I am thinking about a voting tool for hgames concerning following categories (subject to change):

Graphics
Story
Interactivity
H

That should help people to decide wether the game is worse to download or not (I experienced this with Happy End Trigger: I downloaded that huge game and had to discover that my templates on the hgames wiki have more interactivity then this piece of ****). I already did a template for this, but I personally think it's useless since it would only reflect the oppinion of the latest editor.
Oh, and yes I have great plans for the wiki... propably enough for the next 10 years... ;)

I am also looking forward to the release of mediawiki v.1.23 which will bring great new features(VISUAL EDITOR(!!)).

Inquisitor · Mar 11, 2014

trololove said:
Getting a suitable logo, propably some custom skin for the wiki and reorganizing content (I am a bit unhappy with the content structure; I am thinking about creating subpages).
I am planning to get some CSS and wikiscript skills as soon as I am done with my bot, so I can help creating a custom skin (only with coding the skin, I am a horrible designer / drawer) and write a few own plugins for the wiki.
Currently I am thinking about a voting tool for hgames concerning following categories (subject to change):

Graphics

Story

Interactivity

H

That should help people to decide wether the game is worse to download or not (I experienced this with Happy End Trigger: I downloaded that huge game and had to discover that my templates on the hgames wiki have mor interactivity then this piece of ****). I already did a template for this, but I personally think it's useless since it would only reflect the oppinion of the latest editor.
Oh, and yes I have great plans for the wiki... propably enough for the next 10 years... ;)

I am also looking forward to the release of mediawiki v.1.23 which will bring great new features(VISUAL EDITOR(!!)).

You have some great ideas! I'd love to see the voting feature implemented! That would be a great help to new users although some of the old games might not get many votes, meaning they could easily be over/underrated.

Regarding custom skin I'm more reluctant. There has been a general consensus in the mod club that we hated the Wikia skin and preferred the MediaWiki default skin. This is primarily because the of the typeface and heading styles. I wouldn't mind a different color scheme, though I would prefer it to be HF/AS like, which would mean it probably should be rather minor.

I think it should be possible to update to the new MediaWiki version, but I prefer the pure text editor because it is much easier to see what's what and I have permanently disabled Wikia's visual editor. In addition I have often seen that other contributors edits done with the visual editor ending up effing up the page hierarchy.

trololove · Mar 11, 2014

Inquisitor said:
That would be a great help to new users although some of the old games might not get many votes, meaning they could easily be over/underrated.

I also see that problem of over/underrating, but I am a bit into algorithms and already made up a small concept how to prohibit major over/underrating.

Inquisitor said:
Regarding custom skin I'm more reluctant. There has been a general consensus in the mod club that we hated the Wikia skin and preferred the MediaWiki default skin. This is primarily because the of the typeface and heading styles. I wouldn't mind a different color scheme, though I would prefer it to be HF/AS like, which would mean it probably should be rather minor.

What do you mean with "the Wiki skin"? I am thinking of a more refreshed skin like this one(transperancy, propably even a changing background image, depending on the article you currently have opened), but for me it's more important to get a better navigation system into the skin - propably with a plugin which is integrated in the skin.

Inquisitor said:
I think it should be possible to update to the new MediaWiki version, but I prefer the pure text editor because it is much easier to see what's what and I have permanently disabled Wikia's visual editor. In addition I have often seen that other contributors edits done with the visual editor ending up effing up the page hierarchy.

Oh, the visual editor is already out? I thought it's only bundled with the 1.23 preview ^^. When you say that it messes up the page code, I can only agree with your desicion to disable it.

Inquisitor · Mar 11, 2014

Nah, I think the visual editor on Wikia is their own. I wouldn't mind enabling the visual editor at all. Most edits will be fine using it and many contributors don't like to have code in the text when editing.

Regarding the skin I guess we are in opposite camps, lol. With skin I obviously mean everything from fonts, colors, background etc. I prefer the standard MediaWiki, but I'm open to trying some things, like a different background image on for instance the front page of each specific wiki.

trololove · Mar 11, 2014

Ok, I see your point. I think we can postpone the discussion about the skin until I have a concept and know what's possible anyway ^^

trololove · Mar 12, 2014

Maintenance report #1

I am starting mass maintenance of all Illusion games: Changing all pages to the new hgame template.
Aprox. Time: 60 minutes.

Adding the "maintenance in progress"-notice to all pages which will be changed [18:14:17 - 18:16:57]
Replacing the old template with the new hgame-template [18:20:08 - 18:41:01]
---> Some things got messed up by the bot, gonna fix that before proceeding with the next step [18:45 - 18:55]
Converting the old templates, so they can be used in the new one [18:56 - 19:03]
Removing the maintenance notice [19:07:23 - 19:12:56]

Total time: [18:14:17 - 19:12:56] 59 minutes
So far everything worked, but I had to correct some things manually. In some cases the template can't be used correctly, because the pagename is not the same as the template name.

Checkmate · Mar 12, 2014

I've added a redirection link visible from the modding forum on AS Forum.

hmoeller · Mar 12, 2014

trololove said:
(I am a bit unhappy with the content structure; I am thinking about creating subpages).

The current grown page structure *is* somewhat fsck'd up.
Instead of "game_h_guide" there should be Game/H-Guide subpages, but this is a major effort. I'd suggest to have:

Company pages
Game About pages with one or more subpages:
- Gameplay
- H Guide
- Tech Info
- Mod links

True modding info (how to mod, etc.) should go to a Namespace. That would by default not include those pages in searches. If, for what ever reason, there's need for another page (think 3 screens of FAQ for example), let's do this, but it should an exception, not the rule.
The only problem would be the DISPLAYTITLE, but for that we could set $wgRestrictDisplayTitle through a template to make it look nice.

trololove said:
I am planning to get some CSS and wikiscript skills as soon as I am done with my bot, so I can help creating a custom skin (only with coding the skin, I am a horrible designer / drawer) and write a few own plugins for the wiki.

About plugins, I'm only missing the (pretty standard) ParseFunctions plugin. I'm not sure if we need some more, the wiki is quite simple at the moment and I feel it should stay that way to encourage orther people to edit it.

trololove said:
Currently I am thinking about a voting tool for hgames concerning following categories (subject to change)

Based on community experience, such votes are best placed in the forums. I'd say 90%+ browse the forums, 10% the wiki at the moment. This may change, but at this point we need just more content and encouragement for new editors.

trololove said:
I am also looking forward to the release of mediawiki v.1.23 which will bring great new features(VISUAL EDITOR(!!)).

Well, I prefer a plain editor, but visual editor is great for people foreign to mediawiki markup. May be an important step to bring more editors in.

trololove · Mar 14, 2014

hmoeller said:
The current grown page structure *is* somewhat fsck'd up.
Instead of "game_h_guide" there should be Game/H-Guide subpages, but this is a major effort.

I have created a page to discuss and plan a new article structure here.

Inquisitor · Mar 14, 2014

trololove said:
I have created a page to discuss and plan a new article structure here.

I appreciate the initiative, but as long as we don't get any notifications for editing pages on the wiki I'd prefer to have the discussion in this thread. Or maybe you know how to make notifications work?

hmoeller · Mar 15, 2014

Inquisitor said:
I appreciate the initiative, but as long as we don't get any notifications for editing pages on the wiki I'd prefer to have the discussion in this thread. Or maybe you know how to make notifications work?

I usually put talk pages that I'm interested on my watchlist and check it when I'm visiting the wiki. But I guess it's better to use the thread as Checkmate will probably read it too.

About the suggested article structure featuring subpages, I wrote the requirements at the talk page:

Code:

$wgNamespacesWithSubpages[NS_MAIN] = true;
$wgAllowDisplayTitle = true;
$wgRestrictDisplayTitle = false;

which would allow to have a page Somegame/H_Guide and use {{DISPLAYTITLE:Somegame H Guide}} to show the game name in the title. If we do not get subpages or unrestricted titles, we should ''at least'' standardize the pages used ($GAME, $GAME_H_Guide, $GAME_Gameplay, $GAME_FAQ ...). Guess we need to ask Checkmate first what he thinks he want to allow.

trololove · Mar 15, 2014

Offensive content warning

Do you think it makes sence to create an warning for game containing "offensive content" like rape, etc. (e.g. Itazura Gokuaku).
I would like to have this kind of warning since there could be more people like me, who are going through the wiki and looking for the next game to play and don't like rape, etc.
I have a template in mind, looking like this:

Code:

<div
style=" width:25%; margin-top: 4px; border: #990000 solid 2px; -moz-border-radius:8px; -webkit-border-radius:8px; -opera-border-radius:8px; -o-border-radius:8px; -khtml-border-radius:8px; border-radius:8px;">
<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 10px; -webkit-border-top-left-radius: 4px; -moz-border-radius-topleft: 4px; -webkit-border-top-right-radius: 4px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 4px; background-color: #CC0000; font-size: 1.4em;">
[[File:Icon_msgbox_warning.png]]'''Offensive content warning'''</div>

{|width="25%" style="-moz-border-radius:8px; -webkit-border-radius:8px; -opera-border-radius:8px; -o-border-radius:8px; -khtml-border-radius:8px; border-radius:8px;"
|-
;This game features some things which could be offensive to you
{{{1}}}}
|}

hmoeller · Mar 15, 2014