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    What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    My 600th Post on this forum, so I decide not to be general and kick this section off. Time travelling have always been my dream since a young age because of the nice idea of Doraemon, or just going into the future or going back to history. As I start to learn more and more and became an A2 Physics student, me realizing that time travelling is impossible just hit me really hard. But even then I still think about it nowadays, because it is a dream I had since a young age. So here is a couple of questions you could think about before posting, those are questions I sometime ask myself:

    What if time travel is possible, will I really like it?

    If you can choose to time travel and alter your life decision will you do it? (Let's just say the time paradox doesn't exist.)

    What do you think of time paradox such as going back to kill your ancestor and completely rewrite history?

    Do you think there will be future if Time travelling is enabled?

    Will you want to travel into the future and see what it is like?

    Will you make yourself a billionaire if you travel back in time and know that certain big events will happen?

    All sorts of opinions you want to give on Time Travelling, feel free to drop it here and I want to see what other people think about time travelling.

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    Time travelling is and will always be interesting subject because of the possibilities it can create. If it is possible it has to be very complex. Here are a few thoughts of mine:

    • It is better for humankind and the world that time travel is impossible because it will go wrong (in my opinion).
    • If time travel is possible, then I believe in the Many-worlds interpretation so that the current timeline stays unaffected and the time traveler goes to a different world with the same timeline until the moment where (s)he traveled to. And so with the Many-worlds interpretation there will be no time paradox. I don't know much about that interpretation but I think it is something like this.
    • But even if I can change the current timeline, I think I would not do it. Simply because mistakes and all the consequences makes us who we are. So if you 'correct' your mistake and there is no time paradox, will you stay the same as before? Another interesting question is whether you remember how you were before the time travelling or not.

    I too am curious about time travelling and do hope it is possible. Maybe it is possible but is it too complex for us 3D beings, just like a 2D being does not understand what exactly depth is. For now, it is good enough for me to imagine the possibilities of time travelling and that it stays in the world of fiction.

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    Quote Originally Posted by xyzapy View Post

    [LIST][*]It is better for humankind and the world that time travel is impossible because it will go wrong (in my opinion).
    Agree, the world will completely change cause time line will mass up.
    Why? Even I can be Hime or warloard cause I know History right?
    That will be easy to make the new part in time line.
    For example, If I lead Cho Cho win the battle of red cliff in romance of 3 kingdoms era or Help Nobunaga from Honjoji Temple in SEngoku era.
    History of China and Japan will change for sure right?
    WEll, I will be most powerful Hime in China or Japan if it really happen ne..............lol
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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    The only way to solve time travel paradoxes is to use a multiverse setting - and in that case it becomes dubious whether you're actually time or dimension travelling.
    Anyway, changing things in the past will always bring unexpected outcomes, which in turn will make your knowledge about the future obsolete. Of course, this is based on the assumption that there's no randomness in the universe (e.g. free thought), because once you add that time travel all of a sudden has no appeal any more - if you go back to observe the past you end in a future you don't know any more.
    In the end it's one of these things that only sound good if you take a cursory glance at it - once you start looking deeper you realise that nothing good can come out of it, simply because of the way time works.

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    What if time travel is possible, will I really like it?
    I might find it fascinating, though I can't really say if I'll like it or not. The scene of your wife's death in the future or an undisclosed truth is truly unpleasant to be experienced first hand.

    If you can choose to time travel and alter your life decision will you do it? (Let's just say the time paradox doesn't exist.)
    I don't see any point in altering my past... I loved my life as it is~

    What do you think of time paradox such as going back to kill your ancestor and completely rewrite history?
    Mad, suicide, impossible. That should explain it.

    Do you think there will be future if Time travelling is enabled?
    Yes, there will be a lot of it.

    Will you want to travel into the future and see what it is like?
    Absolutely not. Your life is meant to be experienced, not just to read through. Besides, there will be always surprise if you don't know what's going to happen~

    Will you make yourself a billionaire if you travel back in time and know that certain big events will happen?
    Pointless. Therefore, no.

    All sorts of opinions you want to give on Time Travelling, feel free to drop it here and I want to see what other people think about time travelling.

    Call me old school, but I don't think we'll need it, except for entertainment and educational purposes. You know, some dictator might use it to alter the world history to his grasp provided the Time Paradox theory was true.

    All in all, little goodness, but prone to abuse. [sarcasm]And should the Time Travelling machine operate on Windows, hackers will chew the clock[/sarcasm]
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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    What if time travel is possible, will I really like it?
    I find time travelling interesting, cant say i will like it or not.

    If you can choose to time travel and alter your life decision will you do it? (Let's just say the time paradox doesn't exist.)
    Hmm..may be if i can change my own result. If it affects other ppls , then may be not.

    What do you think of time paradox such as going back to kill your ancestor and completely rewrite history?
    If it affects other ppl, den i prefer not to rewrite history

    Do you think there will be future if Time travelling is enabled?
    May be yes ,may be no (either time paradox, parallel world, time loops).

    Will you want to travel into the future and see what it is like?
    No, wats the fun of life if i know what is going to happen or results.

    Will you make yourself a billionaire if you travel back in time and know that certain big events will happen?
    No, i do not need to be a millionaire. I am content with what i have.

    All sorts of opinions you want to give on Time Travelling, feel free to drop it here and I want to see what other people think about time travelling.

    Stein;gates all ages visual novel by Nitro+ which i finished last month provides good time travelling science theories (time paradox, time loop, butterfly effect and etc) and an epic time travelling story. The anime adaption has already been announced so look forward to that for a modern time travelling plot using handphones and microwaves LOL.
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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    What if time travel is possible, will I really like it?

    - I guess. None of us can actually say that we haven't made some terrible decisions in our lives, but fact is, those decisions help us to become to the person we are now, no matter how cliched that sounds. Do you really want to change that?

    If you can choose to time travel and alter your life decision will you do it? (Let's just say the time paradox doesn't exist.)

    - Definitely. I have made some wrong choices so far, and I would kill for a chance to get that back.

    What do you think of time paradox such as going back to kill your ancestor and completely rewrite history?

    - Who am I? Archer Emiya? No thanks. XD

    Do you think there will be future if Time travelling is enabled?

    - Well, this is where the concept of a multiverse is invoked. If our current-verse goes on and sometime in the future, a time travelling machine really WAS invented, then even if they decided to rewrite the past, it will be outside the loop of our current-verse. All quite confusing really.

    Will you want to travel into the future and see what it is like?

    - Kinda. But I'd rather be surprised, so I guess not.

    Will you make yourself a billionaire if you travel back in time and know that certain big events will happen?

    - Money has never been really a major concern of mine, not because I am overly rich or anything, but because I am not hedonistic by nature. But I guess if I can make a quick buck, why not?

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    If time travel was invented, heres what i would do. Convince Earth's goverments to sponsor armies and equipment, go to the past and conquer world in the past, creating a parallel world and advance technology till Earth dies again lol.

    And for one:

    What do you think of time paradox such as going back to kill your ancestor and completely rewrite history?
    You just created a parallel universe so you can exist if you do that.

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    Those are all very interesting opinion on time travelling! I've had fun reading what's people opinion on this topic.

    @ Xyzapy, I agree that it would probably go wrong if human have the ability to travel time, but we've invented many things that was original good but ended up being used against ourselves (for example weapons) because of us human beings. Multi-verse interpretation is a very interesting argument, from my knowledge and talks I been to, multi-verse means that every possibility is possible and happening in different world, apparently they're "parallel" to our time frame as we interpret it, but I certainly think that if every possibility is possible, then surely time travel different in "other universe" too no? But that's just my interpretation and impression of what I get from multi-verse, and I certainly think that there will be infinite amount of those "parallel" world if all those possibility are explored, but I don't strictly know whether that will be "time travelling" in a sense, but with multi-verse it certainly won't cause time paradox as to compare with out time frame as far as I'm concern, it might messed up their's but not ours. To be fair, I guess you're right that mistakes make us how we're and what we're not, correcting the decision will probably change the history completely, but only the one who time traveled will know as he is the only one with that memory. And yes, as I was talking to my friends about this, we did at one point came to the conclusion that it might be too hard to use human being to interpret/process such thing as Time. But anyway, very interesting and thanks for being the first one to reply.

    @Ayanochanmk2, well with the situation of time travelling, only that person will know because you'll be the only one who possess the knowledge of what so call future? As for the "world" to be messed up, it is only to your very frame of reference because you have the memory of what "things" should be, but in fact you just created new things, where everyone without that memory will interpret it as a normal whereas you interpret it as "weird" as this and this suppose to happen in your memory. In fact if you alter history, or more precisely rewrite history, the world won't mess up, it will just carry on in a different way. But no, you can only rewrite history to a certain extent as once you change one event, another might be different follow from that event, as let's say CaoCao did win RedCliff, then other battles might not follow on which lead to the dead of certain generals such as Zhou Yu might not have to face Zhuge Liang which won't ultimately causes his death, so therefore you will only be able to change a couple of events in "history" but the rest will be a new future to you as well.

    @Corocoro, Yes, but I believe that's wrong as well, because multi-verse traveling, you're technically strictly speaking not time travelling, but just travelling to a "parallel" world where same history might have happen with minor changes that you don't recognizes, so therefore having say that with multi-verse setting won't cause time paradox not exactly a valid reason, as you're not even dealing with time. But I doubt it would be dimension travelling? As you're not travelling to a different dimension, in a sense it is technically impossible for a "lower" dimension existence to travel to a "higher" dimension as there will be an extra "plane" that the "lower" existence doesn't possess, so therefore rendering the idea of dimension travelling a bit weird in my opinion. But you're right about you won't know the future anymore, as it will completely be rewritten, but you're the one who write the story, so if so then you can talk about all those knowledge that is yet to be discovered, so you could even possibly advance human race in a much quicker pace than we do now, we probably will be able to have a much higher understanding of science if we start with what we got now in two thousand years ago, then our interpretation of time might be a lot different in year 2010. (or equivalent time spent)

    @Neo-Exile, Haha, fair enough that you don't really want to travel into the future and find certain things out, some thing are meant to be kept untouched. Well to be fair, you might have a different point of view in the future if you happen to really regret yourself, you might enjoy your life style now but you might really hate it in the future want to change certain decision you have, but that's just a possibility, as many of us have agreed that it will not effect you, but most likely everyone surrounding you or in worse case everyone in the world. It certainly won't make sense if you go back and kill your ancestor, actually just you going back will probably be enough to rewrite the history and create a time paradox the moment you travel "backward". But it is interesting that how do we "travel" back into the history that doesn't actually exist? I mean taking from the point that this second I'm writing this post, but next second I might be not writing this post anymore, so how exactly do we go back to that second that is already lost? It is technically impossible unless somehow those history is contained in storage device to "contain" those information, otherwise how do you suppose to see something that doesn't exist anymore? xD But it is a nice idea to think about going backward. Well what will be the fun you ask? Well I should probably rephrase the question as I don't really mean "Near future", but future where your age won't let you to see, like 200 years from now, do you want to know what happen? I don't know, certainly you probably won't live that long with the technology and life cycle human have at the moment, but who knows where technology will be in fifty years time when average life expectancy is probably 200 years plus? Though I would like to ask you this, how do you time travel into the future when it doesn't exist yet? Like the next second of me doesn't actually exist yet, then how do we even travel into the future let just a years time when technically it doesn't exist? So won't it be true that if we can time travel, then there will be no future but you're travelling into the past of what it happened already? Is like reading a book, you cannot read page 301 when the book only goes up to 300 can you? So there must be something there for you to "Read" before you can "read" it. Haha, I won't call you old school, is your opinion and I respect it, I think it is a perfectly valid opinion just like everyone else because this is what make use unique, the way we think and the way we express to certain thing that is propose to us.

    @Kou, Well because we know little about it, we can't really say whether we like it or not I guess. It will certainly effect other people if you change what happen in time, not just yourself as people you interact with is part of that "time". Technically no matter what you do, the moment you time travel you have likely to have effected someone already, even if you might not realize it, you've. I like your answer on whether there will be a future or not, certainly a lot different to people, but if possible I would ask whether you could expand on that a bit more please? Well like I said again that I phased the question really badly, and I should be talking about future where your age won't allow you to get to, will you want to see the future in about 200 years time? I personally would want to see that my body won't allow me to see. Is good to be happy with what you got, and appreciate it, otherwise you probably won't be the Kou we know now. I'll be watching out for that anime, thanks for the suggestion.

    @Paladinoras, True true, we might not want to change it, but it is just a question where at the end of the day, you kind of ask yourself, have I done it to the best that I could moment in your death bed. You know, I'm just curious of what people's opinion on it, there is certainly no right or wrong answer, but matter of opinion. Well I don't know, we learn from experience and if we just keep going back to change it, we'll never learn will we? You'll make that terrible mistake again because you'll know you can change it, just like how we write in pencil, if we know we can change it, we're more likely to make mistakes where as if you're using pen, when you know you can't change it then you'll be a lot more careful and make a lot less mistakes. Emiya Shiro regretted his life because what he saw as an ideal was nothing but an ideal in the end, but his opinion did change in the end, so our opinion might change just like him. I don't think so, you'll create a different thing if Multi-verse were to exist, because will only be able to mess with the current time frame and not other time frame unless you're universe travelling, because you've just introduced a possibility of new option to this universe, it will certainly impact the other universe as new possibility will probably also happen there, but in a different time, so you don't effect the time flow of different multi-verse but only this one, as multi-verse suppose to be separate to our one. Well like I said again, I do mean travelling in 200 years time where you're unlike to see the that time when you have died already, not near future (if we forget time paradox of course, but time paradox just makes things more confusing xD). Is good to hear that you're please with yourself, not a really greedy person, hopefully there is more in this world but then the economy might get upset xD as we rely on people to make and spend money in order for the economy to flow.

    @Firev1 Interesting idea compare with the rest, but why so may I ask? I don't think you'll have created a parallel world, you've just wrote a new history where you will be part of that time's history, but like I said, how do you go back to someone that disappear and long gone already? But this is just intended to be theoretical discussion so it is fine for your opinion to be theoretical.

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    Re: What is your opinion on Time Travelling?

    You're rambling a bit - try to sum up your ideas or use more periods and paragraphs to break it up. Multi-quoting also helps. :p

    That being said, let me elaborate what I meant above:
    If you're travelling to the past, you alter it. Now, due to that alteration the universe you're in will follow a different path than the universe you came from. Ergo you just created a branch in the multiverse (cause the one you're residing in to split off from the one you came from). If we think further and really accept the multiverse as an infinite possibility cloud you wouldn't even time travel in the first place - just switch from one universe to another that is at a earlier point of time. No one said that the universes have to be at the same point of time, matter of fact that would already limit the number enormously and violate the "what can happen will happen" basis of the multiverse theory. This is also pretty much the same as what Paladinoras mentioned.
    And when I used the word dimension above I meant it as a different universe, not a different dimension in the sense of height, width, length... And even as nonsensical as that would've been, it would still have been correct - as we would be moving freely in the fourth dimension, whereas our current movement in it is restricted to one direction and speed. Since we're also able to already perceive and move in it, no plane shifts would be necessary.

    As for travelling to the future: there's two possible explanation. One is that the universe is predetermined and thus there is a fixed timeline. The other is that you're just travelling to the most probable future of the time you started out in.

    And the point about accelerating technology is also moot: in the past it wouldn't have been possible, because the adaptation time of new knowledge was too low. It took decades for a small advancement to propagate throughout the world.
    Nowadays technology is adapted at a faster pace, but it still takes several years. This is due to how our economy works - you need money to create factories that can produce new things. You then need to recoup your investments before bringing a largely different product on the market.
    There's also the question of producing that technology in the first place - you can't just take the plans for a modern processor to the past and then produce it. You need to also have the plans for the machinery able to create the CPU, the materials needed and how they need to be refined, the surrounding components and so on. Just a small advancement needs large amounts of data.
    This means that you'd have to bring huge data stores with you - and then there's the question whether future technology is able to interface with the current one, how much creating a working interface would cost and even whether the knowledge to do so still exists - so you need a tidy sum to even bring advancement to the past, the pace will be insignificantly faster and in the end you might be incarcerated/killed by jealous people making up conspiracy theories about where you got that knowledge in the first place.
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