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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post
    New atelier sakura game is out for download!

    not expecting much though

    Edit: Ok i ran through the game , as expected not that great
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    NTR guy rapes the girl while she was drunk/passed out and keeps raping her until she has sex with the BF, finds that she feels completely unsatisfied, and rejected the bf proposal and ran off and asked NTR guy to be his woman, bf finds out, they have sex in front of her,

    Game ends by her moving out and cutting all contact with her, and a few years later he hears she is getting married (not mentioned to who)

    As typical atelier sakura shortcomings, same stupid rape plot until big dick wins her over, another waste as heroine is cute and the plot could be much better.

    We really need more pure NTR A games where heroine willingly falls for the guy
    Completely disagree. There were A LOT of ntr A type games lately (most of them netorase, but still). Almost all latest Atelier games were like this. AND NOW, AT LAST, proper type B NTR from them with standard plot and CUTE innocent heroine AND with MC finding out and then cucked properly by cool ntr guy. Also there were enough build up and not just 5 minutes one.

    What the point of heroine being innocent if she is cheating willingly? It just makes her a slut from the start. Girl should become slut slowly, what the point if she is ALREADY like this before she met ntr guy?
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by greenlittleman View Post
    Completely disagree. There were A LOT of ntr A type games lately (most of them netorase, but still). Almost all latest Atelier games were like this. AND NOW, AT LAST, proper type B NTR from them with standard plot and CUTE innocent heroine AND with MC finding out and then cucked properly by cool ntr guy. Also there were enough build up and not just 5 minutes one.

    What the point of heroine being innocent if she is cheating willingly? It just makes her a slut from the start. Girl should become slut slowly, what the point if she is ALREADY like this before she met ntr guy?
    Netorase and netorare are different to me.

    Netorare type A means to me the girl willingly chooses the other guy or has sex with him based on her own free will, despite the protag wanting her for himself. Netorase is when the guy willingly lets the girl sleep with the other guy to satisfy his fetish (with the girl willingly/reluctantly accepting it). At least thats my definition of it, so there hasnt been too many NTR A games recently.

    As many here would agree, Netorare does not necessarily requires cheating or the protag being in relationship, it could be an unrequited love, or the protag loves the girl but is too afraid to confess, and the girl gets taken by another guy first.

    Also An innocent girl can easily be seduced away by another guy and the girl chooses him willingly. This could be as a result of the protag making bad choices like not paying her enough attention, giving other men an opening to get inside her pants. That doesnt make her a slut, the NTR-ing guy can slowly seduce her by spending more time with her, going on dates, etc.

    Even if the girl is in a relationship, her ending up choosing the other guy willingly doesnt make her a slut, it could mean that she just finds the other guy a better option as i said before, usually if the protag makes bad choices or due to misunderstandings.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by greenlittleman View Post
    There were A LOT of ntr A type games lately (most of them netorase, but still). Almost all latest Atelier games were like this.
    Disagree on the "but still" part, haha. Netorase IS the problem, that I'm getting fed up with. Talking about Atelier games, how many PURE ntr a type games were there lately? Exactly. Not a lot.

    Besides @jasonfs expertly described a problem that this whole subforum seems to keep having:
    We refer ntr with a scenario like jasonfs described, also as ntr type A:

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post
    ... Netorare does not necessarily requires cheating or the protag being in relationship, it could be an unrequited love, or the protag loves the girl but is too afraid to confess, and the girl gets taken by another guy first....

    Also An innocent girl can easily be seduced away by another guy and the girl chooses him willingly. This could be as a result of the protag making bad choices like not paying her enough attention, giving other men an opening to get inside her pants. That doesnt make her a slut, the NTR-ing guy can slowly seduce her by spending more time with her, going on dates, etc.

    Even if the girl is in a relationship, her ending up choosing the other guy willingly doesnt make her a slut, it could mean that she just finds the other guy a better option as i said before, usually if the protag makes bad choices or due to misunderstandings.
    Good examples are certain works from mashira-dou or this excellent work of [Katsura Yoshihiro]
    There's no cheating, but consensual sex. And it is netorare.

    Problem is also OP's (otherwise excellent) guide to ntr type A misleading a lot of people, haha.
    Maybe include ntr type A2, or make the cheating optional.

    Edit: I actually sent a PM to @Telsa with a request to change the Type A entry.
    Something like this:
    NTR Type A ( consensual sex )
    a) The Girl Knows she is cheating and gets pleasure out of it.
    b) The Girl is not in a love relationship with the protagonist. He may have feelings for her, an unrequited or hidden love/interest.
    Either way, the girl gets taken by another guy and gets pleasure out of it.
    I hope he reads it ^^ (he was online last September xP)
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Subsrulez View Post
    Disagree on the "but still" part, haha. Netorase IS the problem, that I'm getting fed up with. Talking about Atelier games, how many PURE ntr a type games were there lately? Exactly. Not a lot.

    Besides @jasonfs expertly described a problem that this whole subforum seems to keep having:
    We refer ntr with a scenario like jasonfs described, also as ntr type A:



    Good examples are certain works from mashira-dou or this excellent work of [Katsura Yoshihiro]
    There's no cheating, but consensual sex. And it is netorare.

    Problem is also OP's (otherwise excellent) guide to ntr type A misleading a lot of people, haha.
    Maybe include ntr type A2, or make the cheating optional.

    Edit: I actually sent a PM to @Telsa with a request to change the Type A entry.
    Something like this:
    NTR Type A ( consensual sex )
    a) The Girl Knows she is cheating and gets pleasure out of it.
    b) The Girl is not in a love relationship with the protagonist. He may have feelings for her, an unrequited or hidden love/interest.
    Either way, the girl gets taken by another guy and gets pleasure out of it.
    I hope he reads it ^^ (he was online last September xP)
    Do you have any suggestions for visual novels were the protagonist loves heroine but she doesn't like protagonist or just thinks of him as a friend or brother and instead falls in love with ntr guy willing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Subsrulez View Post
    Disagree on the "but still" part, haha. Netorase IS the problem, that I'm getting fed up with. Talking about Atelier games, how many PURE ntr a type games were there lately? Exactly. Not a lot.

    Besides @jasonfs expertly described a problem that this whole subforum seems to keep having:
    We refer ntr with a scenario like jasonfs described, also as ntr type A:



    Good examples are certain works from mashira-dou or this excellent work of [Katsura Yoshihiro]
    There's no cheating, but consensual sex. And it is netorare.

    Problem is also OP's (otherwise excellent) guide to ntr type A misleading a lot of people, haha.
    Maybe include ntr type A2, or make the cheating optional.

    Edit: I actually sent a PM to @Telsa with a request to change the Type A entry.
    Something like this:
    NTR Type A ( consensual sex )
    a) The Girl Knows she is cheating and gets pleasure out of it.
    b) The Girl is not in a love relationship with the protagonist. He may have feelings for her, an unrequited or hidden love/interest.
    Either way, the girl gets taken by another guy and gets pleasure out of it.
    I hope he reads it ^^ (he was online last September xP)
    Yeah the most recent cotton house NTR is a good example, the guy liked the girl for all his life and the bully seduced her away within a couple of weeks completely willingly.

    Closet is also pretty good, though she was partly coerced into it to save her friend (though it was her choice, so still type A)

    @maddogrd https://vndb.org/v5688 is one example, guy thought girl liked him but turns out its his buddy, and he has to watch her and the guy develop their relationship. Overall, not the best game because meh graphics but the setting is good NTR type A and we can use more of these.

    I dont like that people argue that "oh they werent even in a relationship so it isnt NTR" so she was never stolen, since she was never his"

    IMO the core of NTR is jealousy invoked by relating to the protag. If the protag loves the girl and admires her for a long time and a guy suddenly gets to fuck her, imagine if this happens in real life, of course you would be jealous/rage/angst like hell. Especially if its a girl you are close with and have secretly loved and suddenly she gets taken away and becomes distant with you.

    NTR is about invoking feelings of angst, jealousy, and rage. If you get the "NTR feeling" (you guys would know what i mean) by the situation, then it is NTR for you.

    Its the same as "Mother" NTR- the mother was never your lover, but many people here likes it, and i dont hold it against them, and i do like some mother NTR (like erosion manga series) , though not very often.

    One of my favorite NTR types is sister NTR so i can totally relate to that (especially Older sister NTR)

    The point is, as long as you feel some jealousy when the girl is stolen away, then it IS NTR For you Because YOU feel the jealousy and rage when she has sex with another guy, If you cant relate to the situation and setting, then it is not NTR FOR YOU because you dont feel rage/jealousy or get turned on by it (but it may be NTR for someone else)

    In conclusion, there are many forms of NTR, and people here likes NTR with different scenarios. Not everyone gets turned on or feels rage by Mother or Netorase setting, likewise not everyone feels rage unless the girl being stolen is already in a relationship with the protag and that is fine, we all have different fetishes.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post
    Yeah the most recent cotton house NTR is a good example, the guy liked the girl for all his life and the bully seduced her away within a couple of weeks completely willingly.

    Closet is also pretty good, though she was partly coerced into it to save her friend (though it was her choice, so still type A)

    @maddogrd https://vndb.org/v5688 is one example, guy thought girl liked him but turns out its his buddy, and he has to watch her and the guy develop their relationship. Overall, not the best game because meh graphics but the setting is good NTR type A and we can use more of these.

    I dont like that people argue that "oh they werent even in a relationship so it isnt NTR" so she was never stolen, since she was never his"

    IMO the core of NTR is jealousy invoked by relating to the protag. If the protag loves the girl and admires her for a long time and a guy suddenly gets to fuck her, imagine if this happens in real life, of course you would be jealous/rage/angst like hell. Especially if its a girl you are close with and have secretly loved and suddenly she gets taken away and becomes distant with you.

    NTR is about invoking feelings of angst, jealousy, and rage. If you get the "NTR feeling" (you guys would know what i mean) by the situation, then it is NTR for you.

    Its the same as "Mother" NTR- the mother was never your lover, but many people here likes it, and i dont hold it against them, and i do like some mother NTR (like erosion manga series) , though not very often.

    One of my favorite NTR types is sister NTR so i can totally relate to that (especially Older sister NTR)

    The point is, as long as you feel some jealousy when the girl is stolen away, then it IS NTR For you Because YOU feel the jealousy and rage when she has sex with another guy, If you cant relate to the situation and setting, then it is not NTR FOR YOU because you dont feel rage/jealousy or get turned on by it (but it may be NTR for someone else)

    In conclusion, there are many forms of NTR, and people here likes NTR with different scenarios. Not everyone gets turned on or feels rage by Mother or Netorase setting, likewise not everyone feels rage unless the girl being stolen is already in a relationship with the protag and that is fine, we all have different fetishes.
    I know how you feel personally I like family ntr th best not that the protag has to be in a relationship with mother or sister but I like to see when their family bonds get broken and suddenly the mother or sister don't like to hang out or speak to protag cause they would rather spend time with ntr guy to bad there aren't to many of those though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post
    Netorase and netorare are different to me.

    Netorare type A means to me the girl willingly chooses the other guy or has sex with him based on her own free will, despite the protag wanting her for himself. Netorase is when the guy willingly lets the girl sleep with the other guy to satisfy his fetish (with the girl willingly/reluctantly accepting it). At least thats my definition of it, so there hasnt been too many NTR A games recently.

    As many here would agree, Netorare does not necessarily requires cheating or the protag being in relationship, it could be an unrequited love, or the protag loves the girl but is too afraid to confess, and the girl gets taken by another guy first.

    Also An innocent girl can easily be seduced away by another guy and the girl chooses him willingly. This could be as a result of the protag making bad choices like not paying her enough attention, giving other men an opening to get inside her pants. That doesnt make her a slut, the NTR-ing guy can slowly seduce her by spending more time with her, going on dates, etc.

    Even if the girl is in a relationship, her ending up choosing the other guy willingly doesnt make her a slut, it could mean that she just finds the other guy a better option as i said before, usually if the protag makes bad choices or due to misunderstandings.
    Netorase is a variation of netorare type A. Pure type A is rare, demand on it isn't particularly high because in most cases it is too vanilla.

    I personally fine with type A if it was sister or mother who was stolen, but in most other cases it makes me feel what heroine is being a slut for choosing other guy willingly and it is turn off for me. I can't feel invested into heroine in this case and this is one of the main points of netorare.

    And if other guy "stole" the girl by being gentle and romancing her properly like usual protag from romantic games? For me it isn't different from any other vanilla game. Who cares if she chose one beta over other? In a sense for me main enjoyment of netorare is how dominant alpha guy who treats a girl like a bitch and sextoy stole her from beta guy for whom she is most important person in his life or something close to that. Its rarely happens in type A and if does then usually it is bordering on type B like in Iroyoridori.

    BTW - if a girl isn't slut and a faithful one then she WOULDN'T fuck other guy just because she finds him attractive. By your logic any boyfriend should forget about his GF and fuck any hotter girl if she wants it. Being faithful in relationships means you wouldn't sleep with others even if you consider them more attractive and if you think what your partner isn't good enough then you should make it clear for them and end relationships altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Subsrulez View Post
    Disagree on the "but still" part, haha. Netorase IS the problem, that I'm getting fed up with. Talking about Atelier games, how many PURE ntr a type games were there lately? Exactly. Not a lot.

    Besides @jasonfs expertly described a problem that this whole subforum seems to keep having:
    We refer ntr with a scenario like jasonfs described, also as ntr type A:



    Good examples are certain works from mashira-dou or this excellent work of [Katsura Yoshihiro]
    There's no cheating, but consensual sex. And it is netorare.

    Problem is also OP's (otherwise excellent) guide to ntr type A misleading a lot of people, haha.
    Maybe include ntr type A2, or make the cheating optional.

    Edit: I actually sent a PM to @Telsa with a request to change the Type A entry.
    Something like this:
    NTR Type A ( consensual sex )
    a) The Girl Knows she is cheating and gets pleasure out of it.
    b) The Girl is not in a love relationship with the protagonist. He may have feelings for her, an unrequited or hidden love/interest.
    Either way, the girl gets taken by another guy and gets pleasure out of it.
    I hope he reads it ^^ (he was online last September xP)
    It is strange what you fed up with netorase.. considering you avatar, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maddogrd View Post
    I know how you feel personally I like family ntr th best not that the protag has to be in a relationship with mother or sister but I like to see when their family bonds get broken and suddenly the mother or sister don't like to hang out or speak to protag cause they would rather spend time with ntr guy to bad there aren't to many of those though.
    Its not about family bonds for me, not ALL sister or mother NTR works for me. (but most sister ones do)

    why? Because you, as a person HAVE to be attracted to the girl to feel NTR, you have to relate to the protag who gets the girl stolen, and feel the NTR from that.

    For example, if the mother character is not your "type" I.e she is not hot or pretty by your standards, its an instant NO from me, also same for normal NTR, which is why i hate ahegao art because it turns me off. (which is why, ART and chara design, for me, is the first criteria)

    But if the mother is hot (like the one in EROSION manga) i can feel the NTR as her character design is pretty by my standards. And same, the sister also have to be cute and you feel attracted to her to feel the NTR (like Mink EGO's zettaiienai, the little sister is cute) so i can certainly relate to the protag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenlittleman View Post
    Netorase is a variation of netorare type A. Pure type A is rare, demand on it isn't particularly high because in most cases it is too vanilla.

    I personally fine with type A if it was sister or mother who was stolen, but in most other cases it makes me feel what heroine is being a slut for choosing other guy willingly and it is turn off for me. I can't feel invested into heroine in this case and this is one of the main points of netorare.

    And if other guy "stole" the girl by being gentle and romancing her properly like usual protag from romantic games? For me it isn't different from any other vanilla game. Who cares if she chosen one beta over other? In a sense for me main enjoyment of netorare is how dominant alpha guy who treats a girl like a bitch and sextoy stole her from beta guy for whom she is most important person in his life or something close to that. Its rarely happens in type A and if does then usually it is bordering on type B like in Iroyoridori.

    BTW - if a girl isn't slut and a faithful one then she WOULDN'T fuck other guy just because she finds him attractive. By your logic any boyfriend should forget about his GF and fuck any hotter girl if she wants it. Being faithful in relationships means you wouldn't sleep with others even if you consider them more attractive and if you think what your partner isn't good enough then you should make it clear for them and end relationships altogether.



    It is strange what you fed up with netorase.. considering you avatar, lol.
    You are free to disagree, but not really, in Netorase, the girl is not "stolen", the guy simply gets turned on by seeing his loved one getting fucked by someone other than him, The appeal of NTR type A is the process of the girl you love being slowly seduced away or being taken by another guy.

    In most netorase, the appeal is simply from watching the girl have sex with another guy, but the girl almost always remain in love with the protag (Like Marina, the most popular Netorase, where the wife remained emotionally faithful throughout) , while NTR A is about the emotional pain of loss and betrayal and helplessness of losing the girl to another man.

    Huge difference.

    Now thats your opinion. Almost all games make it clear who is the "protag" - the protag is meant to be the character YOU relate with, and the game is mostly played from the protag point of view. If another character that isnt the protag STEALS the girl the Protag (you) likes, then its Not Vanilla..... thats NTR- dont take it from me, ask all the other NTR veterans in this thread.

    You arent supposed to relate to the guy you WANT to relate with in NTR... you relate and self insert as the PROTAG which the game clearly defines who it is and who gets the love interest stolen from
    If you are self inserting into the alpha guy who is stealing the protag girl or romancing her, then maybe you should check NETORI.

    the main heroine in iroyoridori was NTR-ed in a type A, not borderline B as you claim. As i recall, she was depressed as she misunderstood the protag and thought he liked another girl, and the other guy took advantage of that (while she was hesitant about their first sex, it was not even close to rape if i recall) and he took the time to seduce her

    And like i said, the Girl is not NECESSARILY a Slut if she chooses another guy.

    As i said, it could be that

    1) the guy likes the girl, they werent in a relationship, a better or more aggressive guy comes along, and steals the girl from the protag
    2) The guy is in a relationship with the girl, but the protag makes bad choices and another guy stole her.

    An example would be the coworker route in Ore no kanojo shinjiteru.

    In that route, the protag cheats on ayumu and neglects her while the coworker spends time with her and slowly wins her heart and eventually they start having sex.

    Now ayumu is by no means a slut and she would have remained faithful if you did not cheat on her and give her attention as her boyfriend, but she gets believably stolen by the coworker in that NTR A route and breaks up with the protag and married the guy, with the protag falling into despair.

    EDIT: And choosing a more attractive guy does not automatically make the girl a slut, he could be wealthier, kinder, and pays more attention to her than the protagonist. Most real life girls would dump their BF if a far better option comes along, especially if you treat her badly. Yes the girl may have sex with the NTR guy before breaking off the relationship like ayumu in the aforementioned coworker route in orekanoshinjiteru, but it was clear by the time they had sex that ayumu has fallen for the guy and she ended the relationship with the protag pretty quickly.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post
    Its not about family bonds for me, not ALL sister or mother NTR works for me. (but most sister ones do)

    why? Because you, as a person HAVE to be attracted to the girl to feel NTR, you have to relate to the protag who gets the girl stolen, and feel the NTR from that.

    For example, if the mother character is not your "type" I.e she is not hot or pretty by your standards, its an instant NO from me, also same for normal NTR, which is why i hate ahegao art because it turns me off. (which is why, ART and chara design, for me, is the first criteria)

    But if the mother is hot (like the one in EROSION manga) i can feel the NTR as her character design is pretty by my standards. And same, the sister also have to be cute and you feel attracted to her to feel the NTR (like Mink EGO's zettaiienai, the little sister is cute) so i can certainly relate to the protag.
    Ok, i just 1 to add an scenario where mother/sister ntr would apply even if there is not sexual attraction from the MC nor the girl: if the guy doing the ntr is someone like a bully, or homewrecker type of guy. Like imagine a scenario with an older sister who the protagonists admires, she always defends him and has his side until some guy comes along, she slowly or abruptly changes, she stops showing all those small signs of love and care she showed before, stops worrying about MC, in some extreme cases she may become a sort of older sister bully. With moms it would be even worse i think.

    Also about platonic love or unrequited love: cotton house is an exellent example that shows ntr in that instance but where many people fail is that even if there is not love there should be some kind of bond, like at the very least a close friendship, seriously for me "ntr" where the girl is simply the girl next door, the friend's mom who the MC likes, a classmate, etc doesn't count. The MC may like the girl all he wants but if the girl barely notices or just thinks of him as an acquaintance there is simply not enough for meto consider it ntr.

    Quote Originally Posted by jasonfs View Post

    EDIT: And choosing a more attractive guy does not automatically make the girl a slut, he could be wealthier, kinder, and pays more attention to her than the protagonist. Most real life girls would dump their BF if a far better option comes along, especially if you treat her badly. Yes the girl may have sex with the NTR guy before breaking off the relationship like ayumu in the aforementioned coworker route in orekanoshinjiteru, but it was clear by the time they had sex that ayumu has fallen for the guy and she ended the relationship with the protag pretty quickly.

    This made me think of all those fantasy revenge ntr where the girl abandons the MC who she promised to marry or something......for the "evil" hero, the one who probably saved her a couple of times, is strong and knows how to battle wich is important in a world of magic, swords, etc, and can probably provide a good income.........while the MC is some guy who does nothign but wait back home for example........seriosuly she would need to be an idiot to choose MC xD
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