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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

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    Hey, brothers! Was surprised by the reactions from the latest Heiantei game here and from a discussion about it in one of the release threads. I’m shocked so many folks couldn’t get into. Now there are all types of fans of this crazy fetish, but am I so out of touch with the cool, hip kids that I’ve become some crazy bastard raving about NTR things no one else even cares for? …Probably.

    But this game is great! It’s fucking great, boys! I live for the fall. For the giving in. For the betrayal. For the, ‘sorry, you have to eat a bento today because I’m too busy fucking to make your dinner!’ Good Lord! The mother in this game is sexual dynamite! If I could find a way to weaponize the boner fuel that results from her coruption, I’d give it to Best Korea and they’d use it to take over the world! They’d build statues of me next to Kim Dick Dong!

    ‘But, Action Bastard, you lovable scamp,’ you say, entirely unconvinced, ‘I heard this game is mother/son NTR! That’s gay and shit and shit again! There’s no romantic relationship there! Nothing is being stolen! Sure, the cgs might be good, but the main prospective is from a kid and there are barely any scenes in the main story! Also, you smell!’ ‘Don’t worry my brother and compatriot!’ I declare smugging quite smirkily. ‘I’ll tell you why your objections shouldn’t matter and your dick will thank you for playing this game!’


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    Similarly, this bastard’s impression of what the best NTR is and should be is not the only one. There are far too many different types of games and writers appealing to different fans for there to be a single good way to do things. That being said, I’m right and old and get off my lawn or I’ma go at your shins with my weedwhacker!

    Mystery
    Now, his might be a minority opinion or not, but Uncle Bastard thinks the mystery aspect is the single most important part of a successful, impactful NTR game. Everything else is done—and usually probably better—by other non-NTR games. The unexpected and unexplained gradual changes in the heroine’s behavior and character is what makes the game. Mystery can make a good game great and its lack can make otherwise great game forgettable. I understand the argument for a single story that switches perspectives as things happen, but all that does for me is spoil a lot of the fun. Let’s face it, we the readers know what is happening. It’s why we’re playing the game to begin with! But it’s so much better to hint and tease at that very first time around than to outright show it. How can you build up a sense of dread or apprehension when things unfold right before your eyes? A flushed face. Disheveled clothing. Heavy breathing over the phone. All of those do more to create the right mood than the best artist drawing a sex scene does. Now that scene is assuredly hot! But there are tons of hot scenes to be found. In these games and elsewhere! In a good NTR game, those scenes are the icing on the cake, boys, not the cake itself!

    Mystery can be hard to execute for a number of reasons. If it’s too subtle, it doesn’t create strong enough feelings to keep the reader going. Or, in place of the protagonist, the reader becomes paranoid. The know something has to be happening, but given no indication they stretch their minds too far trying to imagine what’s going on. Then, the dick tries to mutiny and he wins out against the brain and we rush through the story or skip ahead to get a scene and things are spoiled. Alternatively, the mystery is too heavy-handed and it adversely affects the story. Either, things have to be very light and teasing, or we find the protagonist to be the dullest lightbulb in the entire barrel of hammers. ‘WAKE THE FUCK UP!’ we shout. ‘SOMEONE ELSE IS OBVIOUSLY PORKING YOUR GIRL!’ At the end of the day, one can feel a bit cheated that they had to suspend their disbelief so much. So there’s a had balance to maintain. Too soft and it’s not spicy enough for us, too spicy and the genie leaves the bottle all too quickly.

    Let me pause here to say something very important: STOP RUSHING THROUGH NTR GAMES! AND ESPECIALLY STOP FUCKING RUSHING THROUGH ONES WITH MYSTERY! I know! I know! I’m guilty of it, too! Mea culpa. Good mystery games are usually a slow burn. And they’re at their best when you take your time. But sometimes you just can’t hold back. For me, that’s where Orcsoft, Pin-point, Lilith, Miel and the like come in. The story isn’t usually the main draw for those studios(though it is a bit mean to compare the latter with the earlier mentions) so take advantage of what they’re good at! Take a break from the mystery, enjoy the scenes, and call it a night. Pick up the good stuff again later. It’s the alcohol equivalent to switching over to Jack Daniels or Jimmy B once you’re already good and drunk. The less refined taste no longer matters so much. NTR-BROS DON’T LET OTHER BROS RUSH THROUGH MYSTERY GAMES!
    [If you’re rushing through because your Japanese isn’t up to par so you can’t really enjoy the story anyway, then that’s a bit of a different story and I don’t think anyone can really fault you for it! Just know you’re missing out on potentially a LOT and you probably shouldn’t try to offer up opinions on anything beyond the cg/scenes. I often see people say things on Sad Panda or the 4chan that are so wrong it’s almost infuriating. Shit that would have been immediately refuted if they had bothered to actually play the game or were capable of understanding it. (Their other big sin is trying to extrapolate the game’s story from just the cgs but now I’m digressing on a digression and that’s a bit gauche...)]

    Back to the topic at hand, there’s been a couple different approaches to the challenges of mystery recently. Probably the most effective ones come from netorase-type games or games with routes where the guy ends up becoming some level of willing cuck. We see this in the Marina games to great effect and you can do it in swapping games, as well. Since the protagonist already knows or comes to know, you can add mystery elements while keeping the story going. The other usual approach is to hint and tease, follow-up, with one or two hard pieces that the profag has to think away or justify in some fashion, and then go darkish until a hard reveal. This last bit usually kicks off with the inevitable discovery scene. Even when it’s done well, the unfortunate fact is that unless the game is going to have the profag embrace it and go full-blown modern cuckold, this naturally ends the game. It goes bam! The guy finds out! And there we have it! Depending on game and choices, there’s either a confrontation or abject despair and they either patch things up or the woman leaves for her new career of cocksleeve. Cue the happy ending, the secret betrayal ending, or the video letter ending. The result: a grand total of one or two scenes plus the after credits sting.

    It’s not the first time it has been done, but we were shown a really effective alternative to the above in the ANIM homestay game with the daughter’s pov. Rather than being a bystander or a rival, the daughter also has something more at stake. It allowed for more mystery reveals and voyeur scenes without forcing a confrontation or the husband becoming a willing cuckold. The daughter had to keep quiet for fear of her family falling apart. It is the heroine’s reaction that appeals to me in these scenes. It’s not necessary for the suspicion or worry to be coming from the male lead. It’s the fact that she becomes flustered and embarrassed when confronted with her actions and the methods she uses to keep things covered up, regardless of whom she is hiding it from.

    This Heiantei game is more traditional in that the son is the main protagonist, so he’s not a side perspective. He’s the one that can’t have the masquerade given up too soon. The father is a supporting player, but this time I don’t think it’s a bad thing. The game is a bit different in the son being a bit younger than usual and not a crazed sex shota like are in Complets or other games. He’s starting to become interested in sex and girls but he never turns into a kid that wants to fuck his mom like many stories do.

    The character is written and developed well enough that his actions and thinking make sense both within the game and within the realm of reality unlike the Homestay ANIM game where the daughter bounces all over the place(One of my biggest gripes with that game, actually. She looks like she’s in elementary/early middle school but the thinking, mannerisms, and the way she’s treated by the rest of the cast is all over the fucking place going anywhere from elementary school to high school). Also he’s still naive enough that the game can use that to its advantage. Things that a grown husband would have to be retarded not to see are easily missed by a kid who’d really really like to have his own game console one day. This results in a ton of good mystery bits that would be lost or impossible with an adult lead. [That's all I found. I wrote a bit more, but lacking the rest, it's a bit disjointed, so I'll confine things to the mystery talk for now. I do still highly recommend the game, though!]

    Addendum: Because it's a swapping game, some of the dynamics will obviously have to be different as our viewpoint shota in the Anim game will be sexually active. But I'm still hoping they write him as a dumb kid and not as an adult in a kid's body and really take advantage of some the mystery chances. We have an NTR ending(s) confirmed, so it's probably safe to draw some parallels to their most recent Kabe game. The site promises a harem end(Is it really a harem with only two women confirmed?), single-girl ends, and netorare. While, I think the first two might offer up some good parts as well if they're not too lovey-dovey, obviously I'm eyeballing that last one and saying, 'C'mon, baby, don't let me down~'


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    Oh bro, I can't agree more (except I like dense mc better since it keeps ntr mystery longer usually :p) .
    Anyway, one of the great things about the Heiantei game was that they were able to introduce an "innocent naive oblivious" third party to basically make the real ntred mc "normal" (without making him super dense), so showing the mystery things (hot phone calls, flushed mother, etc) to kid was a way to NOT show it to the real ntred mc, so it avoided gracefully the downsides of having a dense ntred mc. Genius!
    I think they could have gone further in the consequences/aftermath of the mom being banged/corrupted by netori dude since they could show slightly more to the naive child without arising suspicion.

    I really hope for another game using the same trick.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    I'm looking for a Netorare/Netori Game, where basically a Harem gets stolen away from the protag.
    I fucking hate the dense Harem MCs and want a game where he gets punished for not making a move, if you know what i mean.
    Do you guys have anything in mind? Do those games even exist?

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Fagdoodle View Post
    I'm looking for a Netorare/Netori Game, where basically a Harem gets stolen away from the protag.
    I fucking hate the dense Harem MCs and want a game where he gets punished for not making a move, if you know what i mean.
    Do you guys have anything in mind? Do those games even exist?
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dartred View Post
    are there any many chapter doujins or visual novels that play the long con? it looks really cute, safe and wholesome in the cover and even goes a few chapters with MC making love, but it's not until near the end that the heroine is raped or stolen? or in the case a VN, there is only 1 possible NTR / rape route out of the entire playthrough that you don't see coming.
    Apart from Stupid_army's suggestion i think triangle blue and gatenkei count too, both dedicate a lot of time to the couple (hell triangle blue's prologue is bigger than some games...) and gatenkei's whole gimmick is that the ntr happens in a span of years.

    Ph and triangle blue was originally a pure drama vainilla game......until the creators joined the darkside muahahahahahahaha
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Fagdoodle View Post
    I'm looking for a Netorare/Netori Game, where basically a Harem gets stolen away from the protag.
    I fucking hate the dense Harem MCs and want a game where he gets punished for not making a move, if you know what i mean.
    Do you guys have anything in mind? Do those games even exist?
    rance 9 and 10 fit the bill. almost all the main girls can be stolen and raped in a bad end each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dartred View Post
    rance 9 and 10 fit the bill. almost all the main girls can be stolen and raped in a bad end each.
    Rance games don't give you real ntr feel even when heroines are raped, considering who is MC, lol. There are more netori moments in Rance series (for example Ran route in Sengoku is pure netori). From what I know there is no such situation like "girl in love with Rance but then she is raped by someone else and become corrupted, starting to love other men's dick more than Rance's", though I haven't read 9 and 10 yet, only 5-8.
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    November is going to be one of the best months for VN's this year, if not the best.

    But I have my crosshairs fixated on a VN I care about myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redorc View Post
    Oh bro, I can't agree more (except I like dense mc better since it keeps ntr mystery longer usually :p) .
    Anyway, one of the great things about the Heiantei game was that they were able to introduce an "innocent naive oblivious" third party to basically make the real ntred mc "normal" (without making him super dense), so showing the mystery things (hot phone calls, flushed mother, etc) to kid was a way to NOT show it to the real ntred mc, so it avoided gracefully the downsides of having a dense ntred mc. Genius!
    I think they could have gone further in the consequences/aftermath of the mom being banged/corrupted by netori dude since they could show slightly more to the naive child without arising suspicion.

    I really hope for another game using the same trick.
    Hey @Action Bastard and @Redorc Always good to hear from you guys again and hope you are doing well ... Can you link me to the game you guys are talking about it sounds interesting.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    So about this 僕ママ×友ママ交姦ハメップ性活 ~母性あふれる僕らの巨乳ママた game... For those of you guys that have problems with getting into games where the NTR is directed more to the son instead of the husband, how can you take a game like this seriously? The idea that we're gonna get some excellent story (we usually do) from anim team ntr, in a game staring extremely small shotas just seems absurd to me.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    @Valvatorez
    I agree in wanting to see another, more traditional NTR game from Heiantei. It'd definitely be interesting to see them try to play it straight given their netori roots. I wonder if they could do a good husband lead as the husbands in their other games are invariably a non-entity or unsympathetic. To the extent that in their most recent netori game the husband was such a shit that practically everyone was cheering for the netori guy in-setting. When things get to that point, it sort of ruins some of the premise in the first place for me. He didn't so much steal the wife away as rescue her.

    And a lot of their netori guys are practically villain protagonists. Even their NTR game plays like one of their usual offerings when you watch the scenes the son isn't present for. Rather than default to the mother's perspective, it's the guy's. We usually don't get the antagonist's viewpoint, so it might have been weird coming from a different developer, but it's actually pretty standard for them given how their netori guys tend to run in two flavors. Heiantei profags are typically either paragon nice guy Commander Shepards or badass with a golden dick renegade Commander Shepards. In the NTR game, it's definitely a case of the latter, but he's still more relatable than the husband, who doesn't get much characterization and solely exists to have his wife stolen away. Now I'm an advocate for not self-inserting because I think that it does more harm than good, but for those that do, it provides some interesting options. With that game, someone that hates shotas or doesn't want to identify with the son could very easily do so with the 'bad guy' instead and they're basically given a stand-alone netori game to do so with. Whether they could do so as effectively in a more standard scenario is anyone's call. I'm not sure, but I'd at least like to see the attempt.

    @Redorc
    Yeah, man, you get exactly what I was saying! Heiantei created a more believable fall while avoiding the dense husband. It'd be more work, but I'd really like to see a game set around a whole family where you get to see multiple perspectives as the mom falls. With like junior high, late elementary, and then maybe pre-school or early elementary school age children. The last might to be too much of a chore writing-wise, but you could do a lot with even just a couple instances. Despite the fact that I hate the game, Venus' Married Life got some good mystery mileage out of the little girl for a few things. They could keep the husband as the main viewpoint character, but avoid having him see too many things that would force a hard reveal. Instead you'd see the risky stuff from the kids and he remains largely oblivious except for some odd bits here and there. Based on how the kids choose to respond to things, he might even get the sense that everything is a bit off rather than arousing suspicions of the wife. Man, there are so many great scenarios you could pull from something that expansive...

    I'd say Anim could do it well because it's not too far off from things they've already done, they'd just have to try to avoid the pitfall of trying to make any of the kids targets. You could certainly do that--and there have been family NTR games where all the females are taken--but then you really start to lose focus.

    It'd also allow for a stronger husband than usual. When I started thinking about the premise, it really hit me that the vast majority of mother/wife NTR stuff only ever has the one kid. (And I'd be very interested in people pointing out exceptions in games now that I'm thinking about it!) The wife has the one kid, becomes a mother, and then that dynamic is stuck. The husband begins his descent into overworked Japanese salarymandom and then you've got the start of 90% of married with children NTR games.

    With multiple children, you can have a stronger father and husband. Someone who more or less does things right instead of being the oblivious sap or the idiot workaholic that never notices until it's too late. Games with stronger profags are usually more rewarding. For instance, even though it has mind control which can be a turn-off in NTR games, Sakurasaku Koubou's Netorare Osananajimi uses it to pretty good effect. And seeing that game's profag take the undeserved beating he did over the course of it was pretty excellent. I've been following NTR works for so long that it's hard to get much knee-jerk reaction from me anymore either through misery or anger. That game was one that really succeeded. Another who can usually manage is the writer of Jinsei games because he really knows how to twist the knife. And that's from two styles(mind control and non-romantic childhood friends) I don't care for nearly as much compared to proper husband/wife stories!

    So I'd like to see something like that--where the guy fails despite his best efforts without being an idiot loser--except via the overwhelming power of dick than through mind control, blackmail, or lies that could be easily debunked simply by talking to a spouse.


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