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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Totally unrelated to the current discussion but is anyone else dissapointed witht he lack of heavy betrayal in rpg ntr games? i mean heavy as in the girl turns bad and fights, maybe even kills the MC, is so underused that i can only think of a small game where that happens and sadly it was the first game of a new circle so it was really short and simple (this game in case you are curious http://www.dlsite.com/ecchi-eng/work.../RE181012.html), i see it a little more often in VN, like in Taimanin Yukikaze 1 and 2 where at the end they betray and defeat the guy. But i just think is weird is not used more in fantasy hentai rpgs, if someone knows a game (rpg or vn, even manga or novel) that is like that please tell me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentacle Bandit View Post
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    On a basic level its contrast. Think of it this way, the majority of people into cuckold OR NTR are married to a white skinned women (be it japanese, chinese, korean or caucasian it's still a tone of white skin).

    The contrast between that white skin and black skin highlights the fact that its not her husband she's fucking. That contrast highlights that.

    Then on a second level theres the racial factor or rather racist factor that makes it taboo. While this is a big part of the fantasy (black on white) there is also a fantasy about white guys fucking asian girls who are dating asian guys because white guys have bigger dicks then asians - just as black guys have bigger dicks then white guys. This is not a new myth but its well known myth.

    You ask most women they will tell you they've heard black guys have big dicks. The catch is the women who say this have never been with a black guy usually - and the women who have won't say that - instead they will say black guys are players.

    That said I knew a girl who claimed on average black guys did have bigger dicks but some had smaller.

    Which is really want this comes down to - the idea that your wife is being pleasured by a bigger dick is a turn on, bigger and better then yours. It just happens that black guys currently are on the top of the totem pole for this myth.

    Nor is this just in american porn, I've played many eroge games where a black guy with a monster dick appears and fucks girls. The most recent Guilty game for example featured the main girl being fucked by black guys.

    I think the difference between Japanese black on asian and US black and white - is that in US its what i explained above - in japan plus the above their is this element of "pureness" being dirtied by the black sexual beast. For example AV actresses who do porn with black guys are usually considered at the end of their career and willing to do anything. This isn't true for ALL but it is for the majority who star in them - with some completely refusing regardless. Same in the states, some porn actresses won't fuck black guys because of the same reasons.
    Yeah, I understand the masochistic pleasure in that, but the systematic use of well endowed black people surprises me. No Casanova, no creep, no alpha male, etc...
    Now, it's probably because the majority of these movies are US based.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tentacle Bandit View Post
    I think this is why a lot of people didn't like Marina, and I totally understand that. Personally I liked Marina for this reason but at the same time I was also annoyed by it. I LIKED that it was the husbands fantasy - but I thought he had too much control picking the guys for marina.

    BUT this is often how many swingers begin, with things changing and is something I explore in my sequel.
    Yeah, I guess I'm not into that at all. For example, I really liked the cheating going on with Mariko (the added moaning voices when she was being fucked without the mc knowing about it was an awesome idea BTW), until it transformed itself into a protagonist organized ntr.

    Quote Originally Posted by Animefan_09 View Post
    Yeah i totally get you, the main difference between ntr and cuckold is the willingness of the man getting ntred/cuckolded, in cuckold they are mor eor less fully aware of it, are completely m and submisive, and enjoy it. For a sadist like me that wants to see them suffer it isn't really erotic.
    Not only written cuckold stories are usually bad, but also, it feels fake with porn movies, to be honest. After all, the involved actors are terrible at any real acting.

    Quote Originally Posted by hgawa61 View Post
    You have to read all of the text without skimming through it. The story and progression of heroines what makes it so great.
    Interesting, thanks for the insight

    Quote Originally Posted by vkalvkal View Post
    I also don't enjoy in netorare when the loser husband gives up on his wife and starts to fap seeing his wife being fucked by another dude. That totally destroys the netorare vibe for me.
    Yeah, it's the reader who is supposed to fap, dammit !

    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    For example you wouldn't have much risk in proposing for your partner to wear a certain outfit during sex, schoolgirl, maid, bunnygirl, etc, and maybe act out a small play? Only the most prudish women would take offense at that idea, many would be fine with it, some might find it funny even if they're not making fun of you for it. But there's little chance of you being called a sick pervert and her breaking up with you.
    You'd be surprised on how many women find it super arousing to play these little fantasies. Even "rape" fantasies plays, are just an extreme case of sub/dom play, a play on the "strong alpha male that makes any female wet" trope.
    It's true though that usually men are more outwardly sexual in average, but it doesn't mean that women don't have their fantasies too
    We are all humans after all.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    Netorare probably can't be compared to something as extreme as bestiality or the like (though many of the haters on H galleries and forums seem to believe it's even worse)
    That's truly something that pisses me off : I understand that NTR in a vanilla non 18+ story can be frustrating or can ruin the story, but in hentai that's so ridiculous a thing to whine to.
    I hate furry, but I won't go spamming furry threads or stories on how bad it is to like that, or try to effectively ban these stories like I've seen some people ask for. Asking for censorship in hentai is really one of the stupidest ideas I can think of: it's the exact behavior of the sjw trying to censor anything they don't like.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    Well, long story short most of modern western society embraces the view that a monogomous, faithful relationship is the ideal, and is "normal" and "natural" and while many plays and fetishes that just involved you and your partner can be considered and even accepted with certain limits without much danger of a backlash, a sexual fantasy that involves other people is usually seen as violating that "common sense".
    That's also true in other societies, as in Japan too for example. Actually the whole idea of ntr won't make any sense in a culture where polygamy or polyandry is the norm.

    Quote Originally Posted by LonerPrime View Post
    In the near future? No. Why? Because Japan is anal about censoring. They are one of the most fucked up version of humanity when it comes to porn but they won't bend on their censoring policy. They even criminally penalized a lot of their own because their work did not have appropriate mosaic.
    Just to be the devil's advocate on this: this is still better than the (self and imposed) censorship on anything non vanilla in the western world.
    If some pixels are the trade off for games or stories with training/rape/etc, I'd take the pixels any day of the week

    Quote Originally Posted by LonerPrime View Post
    In the far future? Sure, why not? I mean lets face it, even Steam is now endorsing visual novels. That is a game changer. A lot of Japanese companies will seriously consider the western market through Steam. This will give other companies and fan groups to target other games that Steam wouldn't pick, like a lot of extreme genre of eroge.
    Ecchi content in Steam? Sure, probably. Nekopara is a good example.
    Porn games in games? I doubt that, really.
    Darker fetishes games in Steam? In an alternate universe, maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by LonerPrime View Post
    The only issue that comes to my mind is the problem of "reverse importing". We were once very close to having uncensored Japanese hentais couple of years back with Japanese companies actively partnering with western firms. But then Japanese consumers went, "OMG uncensored version! Me Want!". That effectively collapsed the Japanese censored products market with the influx of uncensored products. And since the companies couldn't challenge the Japanese mosaic law, they killed the initiative itself to keep the local market alive. This is what I fear might happen to visual novels as well. Oh well. Let's see.
    Quote Originally Posted by azida View Post
    Don't forget the rapelay incident, if localization become mainstream, at some point someone will complain loud enough to make some scandal explode.
    Yeah, exactly, the rapelay incident effectively froze any company wanting to go international with their games. There is a quite a big niche of non Japanese consumers wanting to play these games, but Japanese companies aren't keen on tackling the PC police. And I understand them, honestly: the climate is toxic outside of Japan with anything related to sex, nowadays.
    When you see people seriously debating the misogyny of a GTA game, like children who don't understand the difference between fiction and reality, you kinda want to keep it to your domestic more mature market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smooth Che View Post
    Hmm seems like the heroine will be more likeable this time, and damn the art in Venus games really is something else...
    That's a big improvement from their older game indeed!

    Quote Originally Posted by Osni View Post
    First one reads "I feel like my wife has gotten prettier ever since she came back from ex-alumni reunion". Pretty much screams NTR. Second is about a old man getting his way w/ girls in the countryside. Third looks like it's about a religious cult, not exactly the same deal but Fraternite popped into mind.
    First one smells really good! Add a little pinch of mystery salt, and I'll gladly play that one

    Quote Originally Posted by gyahaha View Post
    am I the only here who hardly get aroused if the heroine of ntr game fuck everybody instead of just 1 singular antagonist? I dont have problem with multiple heroine but my interest drop sharply if there are gangbang ending/ multiple antagonist route for heroine(s), I think that the act of ntr should only has 1 singular antagonist to be enjoyable...
    I'm somewhat like you in there, especially because the treason feels deeper when it's a single protagonist, instead of an army of dudes.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Did anyone play this one https://vndb.org/v16251 is the mc a oldman ?? the heroine at least looks interesting.

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    @Redorc: Man you really have my respect and admiration, i totally lack the will and patience to respond to so many posts xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smooth Che View Post
    Did anyone play this one https://vndb.org/v16251 is the mc a oldman ?? the heroine at least looks interesting.
    yep, typical creepy ojisan

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Seriously off topic though, but since VENUS is making a remake I got interested in playing the original Hatsuuso ~Sugarareta Niizuma~ but damn either I am sucking hard at searching or that thing vanished in mid air or was just never shared in the first place. A lot of VENUS older titles seem to missing too. Can someone clarify what the deal is like are older VENUS games DRM protected or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerPrime View Post
    There is a bigger issue at hand than that because there is no crack for that game yet. Furthermore judging by vndb vote comparison and A-S member opinion, the second game fares worse than the first though still does decent when it comes to overall ranking. Still it begs to question, who is gonna review a game that isn't completely available yet.
    The second game is worse than the first?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    Sorry I could help much.
    About the CG, I'm afraid that's way to vague. I don't think anyone will be able to pick out the exact one you're talking about with just that.
    You can read the VNDB pages for Mesu Ochi Kyonyuu Zuma wa Ore no Mono. As the summary says, the guy's life has gone down the toilet and he's getting revenge on the guy who bullied him back in school and profited from his current misfortune, by stealing their wives. It's typical revenge netori, so I never bothered with it.
    That's about it really. Good luck finding what you're after.

    I see. Thank you for your reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonerPrime View Post
    Seriously off topic though, but since VENUS is making a remake I got interested in playing the original Hatsuuso ~Sugarareta Niizuma~ but damn either I am sucking hard at searching or that thing vanished in mid air or was just never shared in the first place. A lot of VENUS older titles seem to missing too. Can someone clarify what the deal is like are older VENUS games DRM protected or something?
    Grab while you can (it was shared long time ago in this thread, so I'm returning a favor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by karmazin View Post
    Grab while you can (it was shared long time ago in this thread, so I'm returning a favor).
    Thanks! Was looking for this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karmazin View Post
    Grab while you can (it was shared long time ago in this thread, so I'm returning a favor).
    Thank you kindly. Now only Waka Tsuma Hakuchuu no Himitsu from VENUS lef that I am looking for.
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