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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    @Tentacle Bandit;

      Spoiler: (´・ω・`) 

    As far as where to post:

    *Netorare Section: Yes. Since we are discussing the NTR theme anyway. It is still a development title with a goal for beta discussion, so I don't think the admins would mind.
    *Hentai Discussion: Unless you are making a fan made H-Video I doubt that place qualifies.
    *Creative Corner: Sounds good as well but if you are looking for feedback from NTR fan community I think Netorare section would serve you better. I mean personally I browse limited Anime-Sharing threads only and sadly creative corner isn't one of them.

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    I sure as heck not!!! Though they started churning out prequels after she gets roughly handled in the third game so I am not really sure but I am really hoping that is not the end. Marina is a good character to just be wasted away on a shelf.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Fagdoodle View Post
    Epic. Will there be an official Marina 4 Sequel, though? Or was Marina 3 the last one?
    They could but TEAM NTR has said Marina 3 will be the last. See my quick and messy FAQ below for more details, but basically Marina series "ended" at 3. Outside of my own story I think it would be really cool if they made a sequel based on their daughter next. Move the series forward.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Marina 4 Fan Sequel Quick and Messy Faq:

    Q: So whats the story about?

    A: I will post a full description in my official topic, but in short something re-attracts Kenji to the fantasy but in a different way. Having both learned how important communication is, Marina starts playing a psychological fantasy/reality game with Kenji as she did enjoy teasing him per his request without having to expose herself to actual wife sharing.

    As Kenji you will not only be able to influence sequences, pushing the fantasy further into reality but also discover truths from fantasy. But be careful, the truth isn't always like fantasy and sometimes fantasy never does truth justice depending on what you discover or don't.

    Q: Whats the title?

    A: I will reveal it on the official discussion opening, I'm currently in the process of making the title screen in GIMP 2. It will use the familiar "case of' sub header which will reveal much.

    Q: Do I need to play the previous Marina games to understand Marina 4?

    A: No, Marina 4 is a self contained story that takes place roughly 4 to 6 years after Marina 3.

    Q: What are you using to create Marina 4? Will it be free?

    A: TyranoBuilder Visual Novel Studio which i just bought off steam. I've spent the last few days collecting all the art assets from the previous games I need, which means you will hear/see familiar music, backgrounds and character art along with some new. Of course it will be free.

    Q: Marina 3 ended (spoilers) with Kenji being taught that wife lending is abnormal and harmful to a marriage, resolving his fantasy by moving beyond it. How can a sequel logically exist?

    A: Its true Marina herself and the overall arc the Marina trilogy is teaching how wrong and dangerous "wife lending" can be. However I felt the characters also learned a lot about one another and are stronger for it. More so I felt that theme was heavy handed, focusing too much on the perils of "new love" emotions and punishing Kenji for being immoral in his desires.

    Q: So, what does that mean? What is part 4 about?

    A: Wife sharing is a very common fantasy and being practiced everyday without destroying relationships or marriages - take swingers. Yet I felt like the previous Marina games were trying to teach that wife sharing is bad, but indirectly it proved how strong Kenji and Marina's love was by the end.

    Q: So does that mean Marina 4 is about swingers and good times?

    A: No. Marina 4 is at essence a mystery game of risk, without worrying about it destroying their marriage now by allowing some things to happen that might have ruined it before that will challenge them in new ways.

    Q: Wait to be clear will there NTR then?

    A: Yes. Its a mystery NTR exploration game. More so I felt the NTR used in the original series was heavy handed only in punishing Kenji for being abnormal - instead of focusing on humiliation aspects and emotions of NTR.

    Q: So will this be dark, sad ntr game ending divorce and suicide?

    A: No, even depending on your ending my goal is not to depress you or myself. You will be conflicted though - I believe I created a story with enough conflict to make your choices personal or at least rethink them. Not all your choices will also seem to have the effect you might expect either. Regardless I do not feel divorce, pregnancy or wife stealing is the high point of an ntr story. I also felt that the divorce "risk" was well explored in Marina trilogy and other elements were not - but I don't feel these elements need to be a central turning point either (like so often they are) but rather another conflict of emotions and risk.

    Q: Wait, endings? Will there be multiple endings?

    A: Yes

    Q: Will the be be true ending?

    A: In a manner of speaking. Basically there are 3 endings all based off the same ending but with variation (at the moment). More so I already have a sequel in mind allowing you to start by selecting the ending you got in this game, slightly changing it. However there are currently two secret endings which will NOT be easy to unlock unless you unlock them in time, but I haven't figured out how they would tie into a sequel if at all.

    Q: Wait, wait secret endings?

    A: Yes, finding them will involve "time". They will reveal facts and extra's that will make it worth your time.

    Q: Will the game feature new sex artwork?

    A: Unfortunately no, unless an artist steps forward that can do justice to Marina, there will be no new sex artwork.

    Q: Then how will you visualize new sexual situations?

    A: Team NTR does an excellent job of creating tile art assets such AS a cellphone with a blurry screen, a trash can filled with used "stuff", an ear pressed against a hotel door overlaid on a general background (like a hotel hallway). This allows me to tell sexual events via Kenji's/your "exploring" opening up these art tiles to help investigate a discover.

    As this game will focus heavily on mystery this actually allows me to make some truly great NTR moments.

    Q: So does this mean there will be no Marina POV?

    A: No, in the past after you finish a Team NTR game, it unlocked scenes from Marina's pov showing her engaged in sexual acts (with her partners) giving you another perspective of what happened.

    I realized (since I will not be including those) my games "exploration" would allow you to discover the truth from your pov rather then it being handed to you. Hence more rewarding.

    Q: Will it feature new voice lines?

    A: Not unless we can hire the original voice actress and translate my english script into japanese lol. However I plan to use some voice clips, for example when she greets Kenji, ect.

    Q: Will this game feature new characters and will old characters play important parts?

    A: Yes it will feature new many characters and some older characters will make appearances but more directly with Kenji then Marina.

    Q: When does the game take place?

    A: I totally forgot how old Marina's daughter was in part 3 (will fact check quick) and then age her up to 16, so adding those years to Marina who was 32 in part 3 brings her to around 36, perfect milf age. So basically 4-6 years after the original trilogy.

    Q: Will you use new character art for Marina and her daughter then?

    A: I really liked Marina's art design from part 3 and will use it again, plus with some fancy photo editing you'll see Marina in some new and old outfits. As for her daughter I'm actually stealing the character art from another Team NTR game to use for her that I feel could pass with a little alteration to eye color.

    Q: How long is the game and when do you plan to release?

    A: The game takes place jumping between 4 seasons (starting in fall, winter, spring and ending summer) so its not a short game and longer then a main Marina entry.

    As for release my basic outline is:

    1. Create an official discussion. This means creating a title screen shot too, revealing the title and a nice little layout for fans to come visit.

    2. Create a twitter account to post updates. Easy.

    3. Build the game in TyranoBuilder Visual Novel Studio. Placing in all event artwork/music/sound effects and scenes, this will take the longest. Then make sure everything visual "works" now. Replay, replay, replay.

    4. Official release hopefully around March or Feb. Really it depends on how fast it all comes together now. Another issue is sound effects (rather obtaining them) and some artwork I need to alter in photoshop. I plan to run a in beta before officially releasing to iron out grammar issues, bugs or confusion.

    5. I also have to hunt down some other tile art or make it, stuff like condoms, ect. Some I might be able to find in other Team NTR games and others not. Also one of the character art pieces I want to use is from a game I cannot find available easily, as its from a gay anime game but he is perfect looking as one of the characters I have (and no he doesnt "look" gay lol) The problem is since the game is about homosexuals its really hard for me to find/download and I don't want to buy it lol.

    Q: Are you a writer?

    A: Yes, and despite this messy faq, I work part time as an editor for different amazon and literotica authors writing wife sharing or cuckold books - so I know my shit lol.

    Q: So why a Marina sequel?

    A: Marina is a really fun character, as is her family and the basis of wife sharing is near universally an accepted male fantasy now. The term cuckold is one of googles most searched porn words.

    Basically I felt the NTR elements in Marina trilogy were literally focused on punishing Kenji for having this fantasy like men shouldn't have it despite how common it is. Yet the trilogy felt like a cautionary tale of why you shouldn't have this fantasy (because it means you really don't love your wife and she will run off if your not careful).

    So basically the ending to Marina 3 basically felt like they were telling us that wife sharing is abnormal and only leads to heartbreak or that if you have these feelings then you truly don't love your wife.

    I completely disagree with this, but I also realized that the events of the trilogy made their relationship stronger and would allow for a real fun ntr wife sharing adventure now. Plus some itches never go away

    I will link soon to the official discussion where you can post your own questions hopefully by tomorrow.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Seriously though, whenever someone mentions the note on which Team NTR decided to end Marina 3, all I can think is this:



    Like people really need a lesson in differentiating between reality and fantasy. I was really enjoying the third Marina until the bearded guy went batshit crazy and turned into a completely brutish rapist. Seriously I don't mind a woman lost in pleasure but making her cry is a big kick in the nuts for me.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Great! Can't wait too see Marina 4 finished . What's next? Marina ntr rpg? I wish..

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by stupid_army View Post
    Great! Can't wait too see Marina 4 finished . What's next? Marina ntr rpg? I wish..
    TyranoBuilder Visual Novel Studio allows for items to be collected and provide triggers if you have the item which I plan to use. Currently I planned to build the game on "code variables" for time codes (time of day) to allow players to chose actions during certain events or periods which will have different effects or none if you miss something - but your inventory will also influence this.

    Right now my biggest obstacle is learning tyrano itself to make the game beyond adding just my script, which means watching lots of tutorials, ect. Plus the better I understand it, the more "game" I can make.

    I originally planned to include a "training" simulator for Marina as a "safe" way to explore Kenji's fantasy, which would have rpg elements BUT I felt it made it too predictable since it would simply unlock another scene - rather then forcing you to find it or cause it, ect.

    The only thing I'd love to do but can't is creating completely new alternative clothes for Marina to wear via her character art stand in. Right now I simple have tile art to "show it" but it would be fun to actually show her wearing it too - but that requires a lot of time. I could draw it/implement it yes - but it would add months to the project and a lot of extra work load. Maybe in the future after the game is finished but right now I'm focused on building it all now that I have my script.

    Finally I will run a beta period, which I'd like users interest in helping refine details or point out anything I might have gotten wrong in the sense of details/overlooked, ect. I will release the game as whole during the beta but with it known that its not finalized in the sense of fan feedback. This could include adding new scenes suggested by the community if it works within the context of the main plot.

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    PS I've asked site admin where they'd like me to post my official discussion. Will update when I get a reply.
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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Looks like Anim stepped up their animation a bit with their new Netori game.

    The animation in some of their last few titles has been pretty pathetic. I mean its almost as if they're just grinding against each other. I want to see full strokes!


    I saw you guys talking about Aisai Nikki a few pages back. I really like that game too.

    The voice actress was very unique. Not typically a voice i'd go for, but something about it really lured me into her.

    But the main reason why i liked it was the small amount of player control you had over her corruption. I kind of felt like I was in control of "levelling her up" myself, which made it kinda exciting. Especially fitting for a netorase title adding that extra level of control over your wife's fall, control I think every netorase game should have.


    Another game I love to bits is Marriage Blue, which gives you no more control than any other regular NTR game, yet their "blue" bar at the top of the screen filling up every time you selected the "right" choice just made it so much more fulfilling. It's such a small thing to praise about, but i felt that visual representation really took it a long way. If I remember correctly Triangle Blue did this with the glass fracturing more and more as the story went on.

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Animefan_09 View Post
    Mmmm, i am ok with the gyarufication, but that is only an external visualization of what i REALLY like, wich is the change in disposition towards the MC, like they go from loving, admiring, respecting, being considerate, etc towards him to looking down on him, or dissmising him, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redorc View Post
    Yeah, I love the same thing as you, but externally would have preferred being more subtle about it: more daring without going full gyaru.
    It's a tiny critic though, he is awesome
    I can agree with that, though I lean more towards Redorc's view. IE, the girl looks and acts the same, but start to look down on and scorn the protag as the affair goes on. So she'd be acting the same as usual, butit'll start to feel a bit forced? And when the NTR starts making fun of the protag behind his back for not noticing what's going on and not being able to please her sexually, she at first feels bad, but slowly starts to smile along with him? Then once she really falls, she be pretending to act like nothing's changed, but then subtly drop hints about what's going on and rubbing it in his face in such a way that she can still claim it's a misunderstanding, enjoying his reactions to the idea she's doing another guy and when he agrees he was jumping to conclusions and says he won't doubt her, she smiles in such a way that he thinks "she's smiling happily, but why does it feel like she's laughing at me" kind of thing. Other stuff could be backhanded compliments, like when she sees his penis and she tells him how "cute" it is while teasing it. It could also be a situation where the protag actually has discovered and is in denial, and the heroine knows that he knows and is flaunting it, while looking amused at how what a hetare he is.
    That kind of thing is what does it for me, so I can see where you're coming from.

    @Tentacle Bandit Though I've kind of gone off netorase, we don't often see a homebrew NTR project. So I'll definitely give it a go and let you know what I think.
    I just hope you've added properly worded disclaimers about stuff being the property of Atelier Sakura and how you aren't making any money out of it and how it should not be sold for money by anyone ever.
    You've gotta watch this kind of thing, since japanese companies are quite jumpy about copyright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    I can agree with that, though I lean more towards Redorc's view. IE, the girl looks and acts the same, but start to look down on and scorn the protag as the affair goes on. So she'd be acting the same as usual, butit'll start to feel a bit forced? And when the NTR starts making fun of the protag behind his back for not noticing what's going on and not being able to please her sexually, she at first feels bad, but slowly starts to smile along with him? Then once she really falls, she be pretending to act like nothing's changed, but then subtly drop hints about what's going on and rubbing it in his face in such a way that she can still claim it's a misunderstanding, enjoying his reactions to the idea she's doing another guy and when he agrees he was jumping to conclusions and says he won't doubt her, she smiles in such a way that he thinks "she's smiling happily, but why does it feel like she's laughing at me" kind of thing. Other stuff could be backhanded compliments, like when she sees his penis and she tells him how "cute" it is while teasing it. It could also be a situation where the protag actually has discovered and is in denial, and the heroine knows that he knows and is flaunting it, while looking amused at how what a hetare he is.
    That kind of thing is what does it for me, so I can see where you're coming from.
    Completely agree, especially as aftermath NTR is usually only in the ending of a route, as the author doesn't bother to elaborate on the lie and let people enjoy it.
    To add on what you say, I won't mind some sexier clothes too as a subtle sign of change. But not the usual slut style used, it's so overboard it's not erotic at all...

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    Re: Anime Sharing - Netorare General Discussion Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by DiabolicalGenius View Post
    I can agree with that, though I lean more towards Redorc's view. IE, the girl looks and acts the same, but start to look down on and scorn the protag as the affair goes on. So she'd be acting the same as usual, butit'll start to feel a bit forced? And when the NTR starts making fun of the protag behind his back for not noticing what's going on and not being able to please her sexually, she at first feels bad, but slowly starts to smile along with him? Then once she really falls, she be pretending to act like nothing's changed, but then subtly drop hints about what's going on and rubbing it in his face in such a way that she can still claim it's a misunderstanding, enjoying his reactions to the idea she's doing another guy and when he agrees he was jumping to conclusions and says he won't doubt her, she smiles in such a way that he thinks "she's smiling happily, but why does it feel like she's laughing at me" kind of thing. Other stuff could be backhanded compliments, like when she sees his penis and she tells him how "cute" it is while teasing it. It could also be a situation where the protag actually has discovered and is in denial, and the heroine knows that he knows and is flaunting it, while looking amused at how what a hetare he is.
    That kind of thing is what does it for me, so I can see where you're coming from.

    @Tentacle Bandit Though I've kind of gone off netorase, we don't often see a homebrew NTR project. So I'll definitely give it a go and let you know what I think.
    I just hope you've added properly worded disclaimers about stuff being the property of Atelier Sakura and how you aren't making any money out of it and how it should not be sold for money by anyone ever.
    You've gotta watch this kind of thing, since japanese companies are quite jumpy about copyright.
    You more or less described netorare nurse 1, and again that is what i like, the gyarufication is just more of a symtom, if you come across anything (and i mean anything, novel, vn, rpg, doujin/manga, even western porn) tell me, i really love that kind of ntr.
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