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    State of HF

    This thread is for discussing the state of HF. Please share your thoughts.
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    Re: State of HF

    There are plenty of concerns I have for its present state, but first I have to start by saying that it is completely understandable, given the circumstances that lead to where it is, now. There will probably be a lot more testing/trial and error before things start to stabilize. With that said, it's actually quite difficult to discuss how it is, since we don't know what it will look like and how it navigates. Based on what I've seen and heard, here is what I'm concerned about:

    - Security. 'Nuff said. On a side note, however, it is concerning that private groups are now open to everyone, and don't require an invite.
    - Layout & appearance. This could be attributed to plug-ins yet to be installed, profile pages, avatar limitations, and the obvious alien look to the forum that will ultimately take some getting used to.
    - Navigation. Finding our way to different blogs, for example, is a bit of a pain.
    - The Rep System. Still not quite sure how it will be implemented.

    I'm sure there are many other issues I could speak of, but I'll just start with that. Again, I'm hoping most of the issues will be fixed once testing is finished. I was perfectly content with how things were, before, but obviously that older version was what exposed it to the dangers of 'others'.
    Until the dust settles and all is well, I'll remain here! It's just... Depressing to go on there, to say the least.

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    Re: State of HF

    I agree with most of your points. I feel sad for Hong having to struggle with this and I hope that he'll manage to get it back to a usable state!

    But I'm glad that we have AS!
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    Re: State of HF

    I may sound pessimistic, but I don't believe Hongfire is ever going to recover from this.

    Switching to vBulletin 5.x was a very bad move. This update is notorious for being a poorly-written clusterfuck ridden with bugs and performance discrepancies, and the Interwebz are full of horror stories concerning communities that were severely impacted —and even died— from the upgrade.

    And almost ironically, HF is down again while I'm drafting this post.

    So, don't expect Hong to be able to fix the board and reimplement all the features we came to love : it's simply impossible with the new version of this software. And even if it was possible, I don't believe the administration team has the skills required to pull this through.

    I'm going to be harsh, but when I saw them pulling down the whole board and perform a 3-months roll-back just because some script-kiddies used an exploit to gain administration privileges, I knew this would end in a massive failure. And honestly : who, in this right mind, perform two consecutive software updates on a live PRODUCTION server ? I really feel like they have no clue what they're doing in there.

    As far as I'm concerned, I'm not holding my breath. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that things will work themselves out, but anyone who used HF during the past week should have understood that it's never going to be the same.

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    Re: State of HF

    The way I see it it's not the layout what matters. Not even the rep system or the blog system. Those were cool features sure and we got used to them, but it's not what made HF the best H-oriented community in the first place.

    As long as there're h-games big enough to gather and interest people, then I say we'll be just fine. Illusion going backrupt tomorrow with no clear substitute would be a killer. But, even if HF is mainly an Illusion community imo, there're a lot of people who are there for CM3D2, Nutaku games, indie games, etc.

    I don't know how much % of total users just gather on the H-area, but it always seemed to me that it was the most important part. So I'm just talking about the H section here.

    When the site first went down last week, I reached a 4chan post where some anons were saying how HF was already dead, that it was just a shadow of its former self and loling at how "they were apparently still alive". Well, turned out that post was from 2014!. I registered at HF in 2015 and I can promise it didn't look like a dead forum to any extend.

    I'm positive, seeing how Honey Select is apparently breaking the illusion grief cycle, that HF will survive, and while it might lose some of its users, maybe even some of the most iconic ones, new folks will come eventually to fill that gap.
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    Re: State of HF

    HF pretty much has the monopoly on a friendly community (or rather, haven) to discuss hentai...I don't think the existing populace is going to give up that easily even if it never returns to its former glory, simply because there are near zero places with characteristics like that of HF...AS just happen to be the next best thing, but it doesn't hold the same spirit HF does. That, or I did not look hard enough.

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    Re: State of HF

    The new site is a pain (especially the comment feature) but with time it should get better.
    But right now, HF is down again; if it lasts too long, I'm afraid it won't survive...

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    Re: State of HF

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Yoshi View Post
    I may sound pessimistic, but I don't believe Hongfire is ever going to recover from this.

    Switching to vBulletin 5.x was a very bad move. This update is notorious for being a poorly-written clusterfuck ridden with bugs and performance discrepancies, and the Interwebz are full of horror stories concerning communities that were severely impacted —and even died— from the upgrade.

    And almost ironically, HF is down again while I'm drafting this post.

    So, don't expect Hong to be able to fix the board and reimplement all the features we came to love : it's simply impossible with the new version of this software. And even if it was possible, I don't believe the administration team has the skills required to pull this through.

    I'm going to be harsh, but when I saw them pulling down the whole board and perform a 3-months roll-back just because some script-kiddies used an exploit to gain administration privileges, I knew this would end in a massive failure. And honestly : who, in this right mind, perform two consecutive software updates on a live PRODUCTION server ? I really feel like they have no clue what they're doing in there.

    As far as I'm concerned, I'm not holding my breath. I sincerely hope I'm wrong and that things will work themselves out, but anyone who used HF during the past week should have understood that it's never going to be the same.
    Thanks for sharing your insight. I was not aware that vBulletin 5.x was bad, but I think that Hong chose to upgrade to hopefully make the site more resilient. However when I view my subscribed threads and pm's I get a headache and think it must be just temporary. It's not really usable as it is now IMO.
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    Re: State of HF

    I for one think the commenting feature is simply very subjective.

    I actually like it, as it makes threads more organized.

    Say you have a thread about various problems regarding a particular game, right?

    What if there's three problems being discussed at once? You end up with one problem, a reply to an earlier problem, a new problem...
    It becomes a TL;DR scenario VERY quickly when you have to read a gigantic post to find out it doesn't relate to the part of the conversation you were invested in.

    By having comments, you have mini-threads inside the thread , in a manner of speaking.
    It permits you to be able to say "Oh, all these sub-posts are replies to this particular post. Let's read the post that's got the comments. Ok, doesn't relate to my problem, comments won't either. Moving on."

    It's really just more effective when you have scenarios like these.






    Now then, while I've been on HF since 2010,
    I've only been an active user of the forum since the end of 2015.

    The problems I'm seeing so far have to do with the download links that were hosted by HF to begin with.
    Those ones are completely gone.
    So are pictures and thumbnails that were previously used in old posts. (This means you can no longer see previews of old mods, ect.)

    +rep is gone.
    While this change doesn't HUGELY matter, it's still a bummer to see it gone. It was a great system for simply knowing whether to trust or not to trust.
    It was also admittedly mildly addicting





    Even through all that, I actually don't feel like leaving Hongfire.
    The people are generally cool and very accepting.
    It is also a great haven for learning, ergo the problem:

    Everything is already there. Moving from Hongfire would mean moving everything on Hongfire here.
    Some users that were there in the past are no longer there to carry these things over, or to update their dead MegaUpload links.

    The biggest problem I see here, honestly, is not Hongfire. It's a division in a community of like-minded people.




    By the way, as it stands, Hongfire goes back up pretty quick now, which leads me to think if it goes down now, it's only for minor updates to make everything work as well as possible

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    Re: State of HF

    Since Hongfire is all laggy again, I came back here and just stumbled into this thread and while I can go along with some of the stuff said here (new design, some lack in features) I dont think that this is the biggest problem for HF at the moment. Its more on the part of the people, who (like me) do not post that much anymore and who may become a little less enthusiastic with the years. (but I'm only talking about the Hentai-Stuff, that are the only boards I visit)

    I came to Hongfire around the time of Raplay and Schoolmate and finally joined in 2008 and at that time I checked the board like 5 times a day and on times of big releases I lurked in the board for hours (still were a student at this days and had lot of time) and the weeks after for the mods and patches.
    But with time first the downloads had to dissappear and later the games became less interesting (not only because they got worse in quality, but also because I already had seen so much). And not only for me, because Mods and Patches got less too, so the only thing that was left is discussion and information about upcoming releases and with that HF still is number one. Just compare the threads about the latest games (CM3D, Honey Select) with the ones here at AS. It's a few hundred pages against ten. So no alternative for HF in sight till now. But question is, how long classic Boards like this in general will continue to exist. I'm in a lot of different boards about a lot of stuff and none of them is growing. The more specialised and nerdy the topics the more stable they are, but in the end they all suffer from a lack of new and enthusiastic members.
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